Nihilarian

nice strummin...he was down

Cautiously optimistic here... I hope they all play well and win this!

I agree with this. The Bills season isn't over and the team has a chance to earn a playoff win. My advice would be to simplify the offense as Daboll attempts to out think everyone...and yet lost to Freddie Kitchens... Get the run game and short passing games working and move the chains. Keep Watt out of the picture.

Yes, the Chargers defense improved in 2017, so did their offense in passing yards going from 14th to 4th in the NFL. And in 2018 their rush yards per attempts went from 3.8 in 2016, 2017 to 4.7 YPA in 2018. Plus, the passing attempts went from 8th to 24th showing that their offense got better by throwing less and winning more games. I'm not struggling with anything as my eyes tells me that the players on one team have had great difficulty grasping and executing plays while the other enjoyed a more successful season with a playoff win! Yes, Phillip Rivers is a more experienced QB. However, like I stated, it didn't matter to Daboll who he had at QB as all of them have struggled in his scheme. Regardless of who Daboll has had at QB or on what team as in his six seasons as an NFL OC with four different teams along with multiple QBs. All his passing offenses have NOT been good or gotten out of the 20's in passing yards. Clev OC, 2009, 30th in passing yards Clev OC, 2010, 29th in passing yards Miami OC, 2011, 23rd in passing yards Kan OC, 2012, 32nd in passing yards 2013 NE offensive assistant 2014 NE's TE's coach 2015 NE's TE coach 2016 NE's TE coach 2017 Alabama OC 2018 Bills OC, 31st in passing yards 2019 Bills OC, 26th in passing yards I get it, you don't like Anthony Lynn for OC in Buffalo. There is simply no refuting that the man improved the Buffalo Bills play calling as OC, this over arguably the most sought after OC this season in Greg Roman. Plus, he improved the Los Angles Chargers as head coach. Let. It. Go.

First off, I know the Bills offensive scheme is very complex because John Brown stated as such when he stated it was by far the most complicated scheme he had been involved in. Others have also mentioned that the scheme that Daboll runs is very complex compared to others who run the same scheme. I'd call this rather moronic considering he is dealing with a very raw, inexperienced QB the last two seasons. Second, those Chargers players are better then the Bills counterparts no question as they all have made the pro bowl. However, like I stated that all three were there for the 4-12 / 5-11 seasons too under McCoy. (This season looks to be a very down season for Rivers as he has 23 thrown TDs, 20 INTs.) Anthony Lynn came in and made that Charger team a 12-4 playoff team! Third, why on earth would the man need to develop an offensive scheme? Why not just take the play book for EP and run with it like he did in LA after he fired Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt in Oct 2019. Lynn later on promoted QB coach Shane Steichen to the play calling and yet Lynn made it known he would be heavily involved in the offensive game plan. Lynn stated he wanted more of a balanced offense which included more from the run game. Lynn took over from Greg Roman in Buffalo and made the offense better while calling better plays. So much better that he took the Chargers offer to be their next HC and took a bad team to the playoffs. Lastly, I don't need evidence or feel the need to prove anything to you! I stated that I like Anthony Lynn to run the Buffalo Bills offense and I stand by that opinion as i feel he is an outstanding, talented OC, HC. You have given your opinion and don't agree with my opinion, that's fine.

Where do you get this stuff from comparing Lynn to Rex Ryan? Rex ruined a dominant pass rushing line in Buffalo by installing his scheme which didn't fit the players on the roster. Lynn has never done anything like that! Lynn took over a bad Chargers team and got them to a winning season his first year 9-7 and 12-4 in his second season. Even beating the Baltimore Ravens in a WC game. Regardless of the players on the current Chargers roster as both Phillip Rivers and Keenan Allen were both on those 4-12 /5-11 rosters too. It's my take that Rivers hit the wall this past season. The fact that Anthony Lynn is a current winning NFL head coach and still has a job after he was promoted from RB's coach to OC where he greatly improved the Bills play calling, to HC in Buffalo! Was hired away by the Chargers to be their new HC and unlike Freddie Kitchens he produced a playoff team. I think his current achievements speak for themselves. Do you know what offensive scheme they run in Los Angles? Yeah, that's right, Erhardt-Perkins. Same scheme only less complicated and more productive.

First, I wouldn't want Roman's playbook as it is a run heavy scheme. Second, I would like Josh Allen to be mentored and developed properly while not in an overly complicated passing scheme. I think Lynn brings that. I think Allen gets it and not so sure the rest of the offense does though. If you look at the results from Lynn's first season going from McCoy's 2015 (4-12)-2016 (5-11) seasons to 9-7 in his first year, 12-4 in his second season. The Chargers offense improved under Lynn without going to a heavy run offense like Roman would install. The last thing i would want is to have Allen in more called QB runs. Also, if you look at the 2018 offensive line rankings the Chargers (30) actually graded worse over that horrendous Buffalo Bills (26) line. Like others have mentioned that Lynn took over play calling for Greg Roman in Buffalo and improved it. My take is he would do the same with Daboll's play book. JMO Besides, this speculation is kinda moot as I kinda doubt the Chargers will even let Lynn leave for 2020.

My thoughts are I honestly hope that Daboll puts it all together and gets the Bills offense rolling against some good playoff teams. If the Bills retain him after that I'm fine with it. However, should he fall on his face and still get offers to be a HC elsewhere GL to him. Greg Roman will certainly get a HCing shot somewhere and I'm thinking any of the openings, Panthers, Cowboys, Giants or perhaps Browns. He has to be the hottest candidate out there right now. If the Bills lose Daboll to the Browns I'd rather see Anthony Lynn if fired by the Chargers as he would be my first choice.

The 2018 Jags, 5-11. The 2019 Jags, 6-10. Both the jags offense and defense were in the 20's this season. St Doug finally did a smart thing by jettisoning Hackett and hiring DeFilippo for OC. Foles at QB went 0-4, 3 TDs, 2 INTs. Minshew went 6-6, 21 TDs, 6 INTs. Still, I don't foresee a bounce back, gonna be interesting to see what they do this next season.

I gotta love Fitz, fear the beard! Goes into NE in a must win game for the Patriots so they get a bye and he beats them. 29 of 44 for 340 yards 1 TD against that vaunted #1 defense. It will be interesting to see what Gailey does in Miami, will he want a "waterbug" for a RB again?

In 2017 the Bills had Rick Dennison with TT and his passing offense was 31st in attempts, 31st in yards, 17th in TDs. That was the reason he was fired. For 2018 Brian Daboll was hired and he went 28th in passing attempts, 31st in yards, 32nd in TDs. That was with Anderson, Peterman, Allen and Barkley at QB. Buffalo offense, 30th in PF, 30th in Yards. For 2019 Brian Daboll as OC for a second season. The Bills were 24th in passing attempts, 26th in yards, 24th in TDs. With Allen and Barkley at QB. Buffalo Offense was 23 in PF, 24th in yards. Allen over 3000 yards passing with 20 TDs, 9 INTs. 510 rushing yards, 9 rushing TDs. I don't see a third Bills OC under McD? Honestly, I don't see a really strong argument here for even keeping Daboll. Especially when you consider that Buffalo had a weak schedule and barely squeaked by some of the weaker teams. Beat a few decent teams and lost to teams now in the playoffs they faced in the regular season. Patriots 2x, Eagles, Browns, Ravens, Jets. Losses to the Browns, Jets are the exceptions. Again, I see nothing that leads me to think that this current OC has the wherewithal to game plan a win in the playoffs.

I never said to max protect 100% of the time. What I said was, "The guy had extra time to game plan against the Ravens and he had no answer to stop the cover 0 blitz. Couldn't step up the protections? If they send 7, keep 7 in to defend. The offense isn't all just about Allen and the passing game. Its about the line, the receivers routes and getting open, its the run game too." What my point was that Daboll didn't have an answer in max protecting, the screens, the hot reads, deep post or anything. The authors way of stopping the cover 0 blitz was to defeat it which is something Daboll never did... so the Ravens never stopped blitzing. The Bills didn't have an answer, hence the 6 sacks, 30 blitzes. This wasn't the first time the Ravens ran that scheme as they have been running all season against everyone. Only it intensified against Buffalo once they saw Allen couldn't hit the deep ball. Which was my point in another post in this thread. You have the strongest arm in the league and yet are 8.8% in completing passes over 30 yards. In this years first six games Allen was 0-10 on passes 30 yards or more. Why is that? Lastly, can anyone guess what defensive scheme the Texans will use against the Bills?

Well, Daboll must be one of those coaches who don't get it because he didn't max protect properly or take advantage of the less covered Bills receivers to burn the Ravens defense. The Bills lost that home game 24-17 as Allen was sacked 6 times for 41 yards and went 17 of 39 for 146 yards, 1 TD. The players are only tools to make the offense work and if one part isn't working you don't keep hammering at that one part. Meaning If Allen is having a tough day, keep running Singletary who was averaging 5.2 yards per carry. At one point in the first Bills series in the second quarter the Bills ran Singletary 6 straight times for two first downs and Allen ran for another. That drive ended with a Bills FG and negated the fierce Ravens blitzing. (out of 68 Buffalo offensive plays the Ravens Blitzed him 30 times). The very next series the Bills went back to passing again. 39 passes vs 23 rushes.

Exactly how would you max protect? You have 5 O-linemen and with the TE, RB staying in that's 7 on 7. Whats the issue?

from another thread, Key points -Patriots version of zero blitz is especially challenging because once a guy is blocked, he stops rushing and drops into coverage (if I'm not mistaken, the Ravens did this too). He points out Mahomes last year held on to the ball waiting for stuff to come open which never did -can beat zero blitz with screens, hot reads, or deep post -deep post is most devastating response (and the one Kollsman is obviously highest on), but MUST max protect effectively to buy time. If you don't max protect or the protection isn't effective, won't work From the poster, "I would say similar things about our struggles with zero blitz: we don't max protect effectively to give time, we don't always seem to have hot routes (or the guy running what looks like it should be the hot route doesn't have his head around quickly). When we tried to go deep, we didn't max protect effectively."

I agree. However, the HC guiding the game planning and Josh Allen doesn't throw 40 times a game...ever, at any point! If McD were guiding the offense all they would do is run the ball. Conservative is what he does!

I think he would have. The basis for the WCO is nothing more then an elongated hand off by passing to move the chains. In that style of offense you don't need much time in the pocket to throw the shorts. So, Walsh would have never asked Allen to lead the league with deep throws. Asking Josh Allen to throw deep so often with that "horrendous" line was utterly moronic. Starting Nathan Peterman at QB that year was also utterly moronic. Do any of you defending Daboll honestly think he will come up with a game plan to beat the Texans, in Houston with JJ Watt playing? Should a miracle happen and the Bills defense gets many turnovers to somehow squeak by them... do any of you think the Bills will have the wherewithal to go to Kansas City, New England or Baltimore and put up enough offense to compete with them? The guy had extra time to game plan against the Ravens and he had no answer to stop the cover 0 blitz. Couldn't step up the protections? If they send 7, keep 7 in to defend. The offense isn't all just about Allen and the passing game. Its about the line, the receivers routes and getting open, its the run game too. Making it "all" work on offense to over power the opponent...you know, kinda like what the Ravens do to all other teams.

Yes, Josh Allen missed a lot of passes this season. Now ask the question why? Ask why Allen who hit a few bombs to Robert Foster last season can't connect this season? Josh has the strongest arm in the NFL and yet has hit only 3 of 34 passes over 30 yards . An 8.8%. In the first six games this season Allen was 0-10. Allen finished the season with a 58.8% completion percentage. Matt Barkley finished with a 52.9% when in other seasons he had a 61.2%, 59.7%, 60.0%. Now ask Is it all Josh Allen? On another note.Bills fans have been clamoring for Buffalo to find a big, tall WR who can go up and get those contested balls. Bills fans have been clamoring all season to see Duke Williams (6'3'' 225lbs) on the field and in a meaningless game against the Jets he has 6 receptions for 108 yards. TJ Yeldon finally gets some work, a guy who has been very good as a receiver out of the backfield.

I agree! Bills fans seem to forget the 2018 season in which Daboll would go pass happy all game as soon as the Bills got behind in as little as three points. Plus, the Bills threw deep more often over any other NFL team and yet this with one of the very worst offensive lines in the league. This made no sense. First he starts Peterman. Next he asks a very raw, inexperienced QB to throw deep which usually requires time in the pocket the QB didn't have. Once the OC saw that Allen was unbelievably good at running when the pocket breaks down, he then starts calling QB runs. This season Daboll stating that the Browns were stacking the box to stop the run this season. This with 17 passes from Allen in the first half and only 3 runs from Singletary. Against the #2 in the league pass rusher in Myles Garrett. Allen 41 passes vs 20 rushes. That Cleveland game should have been a win and Daboll was out coached by Kitchens... who was just fired! The Ravens game in which the Bills OC had no answer for that cover 0 blitz. The Ravens brought seven and Daboll had no answer, not in the run game, not in the pass game. Allen was sacked six times. This with the extra time to prepare from the Thursday night game against Dallas the week previous. Asking Josh Allen to throw 39 times vs 23 runs. Singletary averaged 5.2 yards per carry in this game and simply wasn't utilized enough. The Bills defense held that vaunted Ravens offense to 24 points when they had beaten the Patriots #1 defense by 37, Bengals by 49, Texans by 41, Rams by 45 and went on to score 42 against the NY Jets after the Buffalo game. Another game the Bills could have won. The Bills were dominated on the offensive line against the Patriots, Eagles, Ravens and this OC had no answer. I don't get the love by some for a guy who's offense this season barely scored enough against bad teams to win games.

I agree with this. It's the defense that has carried this team this season and the offense has done just enough to win games. 10 of 16 games the Bills scored 20 points or less. Yes, Josh Allen has improved this season as he now has a QB coach with real NFL actual experience as a QB coach, not a WR assistant coach as the QB coach. Josh stated on many occasions how much QB coach Ken Dorsey has helped him improve. For a lot of last season Josh didn't even have a veteran QB on the roster to help show him the ropes as all he had was Daboll. Oh, and as for change. Look what happened to Jared Goff from 2016 to 2017 when Sean McVay took over as HC, Matt LaFleur took over as the Rams OC. That Rams offense went from dead last in the NFL at 32nd in 2016 to #1 in points scored #10 in yards and Goff went from looking like a wasted #1 overall to a guy who looked like he should have been the #1 overall. 2016 stats for Goff 0-7 with a 54.6 completion percentage. In 2017, to 11-4 and a 62.1 completion percentage. Coaches should be acknowledged for what they accomplish and not for who they worked for or who they know. Yea the Bills offense has improved from 2018, 31st in yards passing, 32nd in TDs. 2019 26th in yards passing, 24th in TDs.

How can someone look at those stats and think he would be a good head coach at the NFL level? It isn't because of his offensive ingenuity. In terms of Peterman, Daboll would calls plays that Peterman simply couldn't make because he simply didn't have an arm that could complete them. What does that tell you about Daboll? With Allen, the kid has the strongest arm in the NFL and yet has the worst deep completion percentage with passes over 30 yards?

I feel the same way, Daboll is taking credit for Allen can do. Let's not forget that this is the same man who though Nathan Peterman should start the 2018 season at QB. Gregg Roman would be better, Anthony Lynn would be better. Cam Cameron would be better.

You were right as Carolina is also interested in interviewing him. Not shocked at all that "Cleveland" would want to interview him. They gave Hue Jackson another year after 1-15, 0-16 seasons. Then hired the teams RB coach in Kitchens who had no experience as a HC. Stupid is what they do... I wouldn't be shocked if they actually hired him either. Just happy to see him go. Daboll is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde as he oft times forgets he also has a run game and goes pass happy with a young, inexperienced QB against a strong pass rush. The 2019 Buffalo Bills passing offense is 26th in yards, 24th in TDs which is about the norm for this OCs Career. And isn't the passing offense supposedly his specialty with the Patriots play book? The Bills run game is more of Allen's incredible physical talent with his 510 yards rushing and 9 TDs. Also Singletary's, Gore's talent as Daboll has about as much innovation in the run game as a clay pigeon. Like I said, if Anthony Lynn parts ways with the Chargers I hope the Bills give him a shot as OC.

I was, as it reminded me of how Jim Schwartz was over looked in Buffalo in favor of Rex Ryan. Although, Schwartz did a much better job as DC and should have gotten another shot at HC IMO. I think Williams would have done a better job as HC in Cleveland as Kitchens clearly wasn't ready in my view. The fact that they hired Hue Jackson in the first place says they aren't very good at finding the right guy. C'mon, Jackson went 1-15 in 2016 & 0-16 in 2017 and they kept him after those first two seasons? Cleveland is doomed with Dorsey as GM, Haslam as owner.

Most could see that promoting Kitchens from RB's coach to OC and again to HC was a mistake. It should have been Williams with Kitchens remaining as the OC. Williams went 5-3 after the team fired Hue Jackson 2-5-1 along with OC Todd Haley. Or at least hired a better HC. Ahh, well, stupidity...this is what helps make bad teams make bad decisions.