Nihilarian

Again, we need to agree to disagree. I think results do matter. Its not just about the play calling either as the entire scheme and results are looked at is what I was pointing out by listing the stats. I see your points and I firmly believe that the NFL is a results oriented business and the better teams simply don't hire people because they have a history of who they worked for...good or bad. They want to hire people who have shown they are smart enough to get strong positive results at a lower level before hiring them to be one of thirty two in a multi-million dollar job. That said, in all honesty I hope you are right in that he does get looks and is eventually hired away.

I read it and an interesting take. I kinda doubt anyone stated that "we love him" and were merely interested. If they didn't watch that Ravens game and change their mind, Its them who are insane. Like Mr.WEO said, only a bad team would be foolish enough to hire an OC as bad as Daboll and promote him to HC. The stats show he isn't very good. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Daboll getting looks as HC this off season. However, you might be right if the Bills win the next three and finish 12-4 with the offense looking like it did against Miami, Denver, Dallas. On the other hand should the offense continue to look like it did against the Ravens the next three games...I kinda doubt the Bills keep him. JMO.

Its my contention that Daboll might have been mentioned in Carolina as a possible HC after the Dallas game when the NFL world watched the Bills offense / Allen play well. I think any further thought about that went out the window after the Ravens game. When you look at the mans history of where his offenses have preformed in his entire time as an NFL OC, he has never had a passing offense better than 23rd in yards. This is important as teams look at the coaches history. Cleveland 2009, 30th attempts/32 yards. Cleveland 2010, 29/30 yards. Miami 28/23 yards 2011. Kansas 32/32 Yards. Buffalo 2018, 28/31 yards. Buffalo 2019, 23/27 yards. Its my take the Bills hired Daboll in thinking they were getting another Bill O'Brian...and they didn't.

The current trend in the NFL is to hire the next brightest offensive mind so as to find a Doug Pederson who had Frank Riech as his OC. Or Sean McVay who had Zac Taylor as his OC. Matt Nagy worked under Andy Reid. Now Kingsbury got the Arizona HCing job because he had worked with Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murry at Texas Tech. Whats funny is that TT fired him for having a 35-40 record. Arizona took a huge gamble in my view in an attempt to find that new offensive minded superstar. Currently he is 3-9-1 at Arizona and they are actually doing better than I thought they would. Still, I would put Kingsbury in the Freddie Kitchens category at this point in time. Kitchens is another who was the Browns RB coach who was promoted to OC last season because Mayfield looked so good after HC Hue Jackson, OC Todd Haley were both fired. Again, the Browns took a huge gamble in hiring Kitchens to be their new HC because of Mayfield looking so good. The Browns could have kept Gregg Williams as HC and made Freddie the OC, but I suppose they were afraid to lose him to another team. Dunno If I would mention Shurmur because rumor has it he will be fired after this season. The thing is that most of those people you mentioned had great success as an NFL offensive coordinator before being hired as an NFL head coach. They were on winning teams with top offenses. Brain Daboll has not yet seen that kind of success that McVay, Nagy, Riech have seen as an OC. The 2019 Buffalo Bills are 9-4 mostly because of that #3 overall defense and they just moved up to #2 in points allowed. The Bills offense is 20th in points, 20th in yards, 23rd in pass attempts, 27th in passing yards. Not a glowing endorsement in my view. Then looking at the Eagles, Patriots and Ravens losses that young QB hasn't looked all that great. What highlights Josh Allen in many minds is his athletic ability in running the ball, escaping the pocket and the tenacity to make plays, a burning desire to win the game. Daboll had nothing to do with developing these traits as he had them before coming to Buffalo. Those traits are also what sets him apart from a Losman, Edwards, EJ.

First off, lets look at all the failed NFL head coaches that have come from the BB tree. Jim Bates was his D line coach, Al Groh was his LBer coach. Jim Schwartz was a scout. Nick Saban was his DC. Rod Dowhower was his QB coach. Rick Venturi was his DC, all in at some point in Cleveland from 1991-1995. Eric Mangini, DBs coach, Rob Ryan was his LBers coach, Daboll was a defensive assistant all in 2000. Charlie Weis, Romeo, Crennel. Brian Flores. Matt Patricia all at some point in New England. So, just because you work for the guy doesn't mean you'll have success in the NFL as a HC Second, lets not forget who Brian Daboll started in front of Josh Allen in 2018 and he must have thought Nathan Peterman would be good enough to remain as the starter for awhile as Allen was supposed to sit, learn. This was a grade A+ moronic move. Allen was then forced to start on a bad team behind a bad line with little talent around him. Its crystal clear to me that while Brian Daboll does call some good games. Although, at times he makes some very questionable calls. Like all the deep passing calls against Baltimore when Allen has one of the worst deep passing completion percentages in the league this season. Daboll's failure to setup a winning game plan against the Ravens even given extra time. The failure to make adjustments for the offensive line to help stop the blitzes. The failure to find a way to get the run game working early to take pressure off his young, inexperienced QB. Failure to get the short passing game working. That last part said, Cole Beasley is a remarkable talent much like Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Julian Edleman. A first down machine and a player who usually finds a way to get open early. He should have been targeted early and often against the Ravens. Instead, incomplete deep to John Brown. Incomplete Deep to Robert Foster. Incomplete short to McKenzie. Incomplete deep Dawson Knox. Incomplete deep John Brown. Finally, incomplete short Cole Beasley in the fourth series. Another finally moment, Daboll, realizing Allen was shaken and having great difficulty in this game. He ran Singletary six straight times for two first downs...then went back to the pass. Had Daboll worked the short pass game with runs by Singletary early and often. Its my take that the Ravens game would have gone in an entirely different way with a win as with the Dallas game.

I agree with this. Daboll might have gotten some looks had the Bills won that Ravens game. He still might get some looks if the Bills offense comes alive against the Steelers, Patriots, Jets and the Bills offense looks good. The Bills lose the next three I gotta think Daboll is history In Buffalo.

Horse hockey! The Dallas game. Bills first series, run 8 yards, run up mid for 3 yards 1st down! Allen drops back to pass and was sacked -8 yards. next play, short pass complete 6 yards. Allen run up the middle for 9 yards, Punt! Three runs a sack, one pass. Bills second series, Run, run, pass, run, incomplete pass, incomplete pass, penalty on Dallas, incomplete pass, pass, pass, Punt! Three runs, six passes. Bills third series, pass, run, run, pass, run, run, run, pass. Five runs, two passes. fourth series, Run, pass, pass, run, aborted snap looked like a QB sneak (run) pass. Three runs, three passes. 14 runs vs 12 passes in the first half. Pretty balanced in my view. I realize you and I have completely different views on Allen and I have accepted this.

C'mon Kirby. Please don't put Josh Allen in the same category as Losman and EJ or even Edwards. There is a world of difference between those players and Allen in so many ways. Although, I do agree that all three of those young QB's were developed by the wrong people. Steve Fairchild, Turk Schonert, Alex Van Pelt, Curtis Modkins. I do believe only AVP is still coaching in the NFL as a QB coach with Cincy. The best OC's the Bills have had the last decade or so was Greg Roman and Anthony Lynn. Should Lynn lose his job with the Chargers I only hope the Bills hire him.

I see. And yet when the Bills ran the ball more against the Dolphins, Broncos, Cowboys they won the game and Josh Allen looked great! You have been wrong about Josh Allen since stating you thought he should have been a 3rd round draft pick before the draft. Stating that inaccuracy can't be fixed. Even knowing how raw and inexperienced Allen was and still is, you still want to see the Bills pass first and have him attempt to carry the game with his arm and run the ball less. For what, in hope that he fails to prove you right? Apparently, since you can't let it go... I will.

I really hope he does get a HCing gig. From what I see it's Allen making him look good when calls a game with a balanced offensive attack or actually more runs than passes. Look at the history of this OC in the NFL and its not a good one. This years passing offense is 23rd in attempts and 27th in passing yards, 21st in passing TDs. Which is about the average of where this OC has been in his six NFL seasons as an OC with four different NFL teams.

They were behind 7 points early at Dallas and they still managed the short passes and more runs than passes. Against the Browns the final score was 16-19 and the Bills were only down by three points so there was no need to go pass happy whatsoever. Daboll stated that they Browns were stacking to box to stop the run and he was full of crap! Bills at halftime with Allen 17 pass attempts, Singletary 3 rushes and he finished that game with only 8 rushes vs 41 passes. Singletary 5.3 YPC avg and it was near criminal that he wasn't given more rush attempts. Guess what? Singletary with a 5.2 YPC avg against the Ravens. He did get 17 carries and it should have been more. The Ravens rushed 33 times for only 118 yards and that kept Lamar Jackson from getting sacked 6x like Josh Allen was in attempting 39 passes! Jackson with a more reasonable 25 pass attempts. The Bills rushed 23 times vs 39 passes and when those numbers are reversed they usually win. We've all seen what happens to Allen when Daboll forces him to carry the game with his arm and it doesn't go well. Look, you've come at me with this pass first/more passes than runs idea over and over and I've yet to see that concept work. Allen needs a decent run game to help him gain rhythm and settle in as most young QB's do. Let it go willya?

I doubt the coaching staff makes any changes regardless, unless Daboll continues with his Dr Jekyll and Hyde play calling while staying with the Hyde stuff. Look back at the last five games to see that against the Browns and Ravens the run game simply was underutilized by about half of the passing attempts. Which created a tough time for the QB as he was forced to attempt to carry the team with his arm. Now look at the Miami, Denver, Dallas games to see that the Bills ran it nearly 2x the amount they passed the ball which allowed Josh Allen to find some confidence and rhythm. What was thoroughly confusing was why Daboll had Allen throw deep so much considering that Josh has one of the worst deep passing completion percentages in the league this season. In those three wins the Bills offense went with mostly a short passing scheme. A lot also depends on how many wins this team has at the end of the season, 9-7 and changes are in sight, more wins and a playoff run and changes are doubtful.

Or, the Bills will need to do what they did against Miami, Denver and Dallas in getting the run game working with short passes. Let Allen gain some confidence with those short passes. The Browns and Ravens game the Bills went pass happy and it didn't go so well. Run Singletary!

Me too! What we have is a Jekyll and Hyde offensive coordinator, who for the previous three game setup the pass with the run. Got the run game going and then the worked the short passing game. Miami game, first series. Singletary 22 yard run and next four passes were short to McKenzie, Knox, Knox, Beasley, FG. Denver game, first series 2 runs by Singletary, short pass, 2 runs by Singletary, Allen up the middle for two, McKenzie off RT, Singletary run, Allen run, Singletary run, 2 short passes, Singletary run, short pass, Allen run, Allen sacked FG. Dallas game, first series, Singletary 2 runs, Allen sacked, short pass, Allen Run, Punt. Notice a trend here? Singletary runs with short passes to start the game. Baltimore game, 2 Singletary runs, DEEP pass incomplete on 3rd and 4, Punt. Buffalo second series, Singletary run, Allen sacked, DEEP pass incomplete on 3rd and 12, Punt. Buffalo third series, short pass 10 yards, 1st and 10 short pass incomplete, 2nd down DEEP pass incomplete, 3rd down DEEP pass incomplete, Punt. Notice this trend? Why all the deep pass plays? Bills OC Brian Daboll calling the deep passing plays in hopes of completing some to back the Ravens off the line with their pass rush? And instead the opposite happened as Allen missed those deep throws and the Ravens defense went on Jailbreak after Jailbreak after that. Singletary ended this game with a 5.2 YPC avg, and yet he got 17 rush attempts vs 39 pass attempts. Which in my view caused the Bills offensive play calling to force the QB and O line to take the brunt of that Ravens defense. Which basically forced them into the teeth of what that Ravens D does best. The Bills had a longer time to prep for this game due to playing on Thursday night and yet looked lost on offense. No adjustments with the line to help stop their rush. Where is the innovation to find a way to get the run game working from the start. All those missed deep passes ate away at Josh Allen's confidence and he was very erratic rather then settling in and gaining rhythm. What gets me mad is this game was very winnable if the Bills establish a strong run game along with the short passes that helps Allen develop rhythm, continuity. The Bills have a unique star in the making in Devin Singletary and for the life of me I don't get why they don't utilize him more in both the run game and pass game. While he did get 23 touches in this game 17 rushes, 6 passes. He clearly should have been more involved early. The Bills short pass game that worked against the previous three teams went out the window for some reason and this created problems. The Bills OC shot himself in the foot, IMHO.

Great post! And exactly what I was attempting to articulate as this what took place in the previous three games that were wins. Besides not getting Allen working on short compilations I feel Daboll gave up on the run far too early and far too often. I also think Daboll took a gamble to have Josh complete some of those deep passes early to put the fear of god in the Ravens defense so that they back off stacking the box and the result in those missed deep passes created the opposite effect of the Ravens pinning their ears back and going on jailbreak after jailbreak. My take, Daboll 40% if the Bills don't start the game the way they did its a completely different outcome. Allen 30% Yes, Allen had a bad game and missed a bunch of throws. Its on him and he shouldn't be this hyped early or late on those overthrows. Still, when you see a player having difficulty, why keep calling his number? Offensive line 20% certain players were manhandled this game and this can't happen again going forward and reminded me of the Eagles game. Drops 10% The one that got me was the drop by Knox on 3rd and 8 as it killed that drive and if he catches it the Bills are at the Ravens 18 yard line. Beasley whiffed too. Last question. Where were the adjustments to the line to help contain that Ravens pass rush? Where was the offensive innovation considering the team had extra time between games to work on things? No trick plays like with Dallas?? Singletary gets five yards on 1st down and the Bills go pass on 2nd and 3rd, why do this when the QB is having difficulty... keep freaking running it! What bothers me the most is the way the Bills defense played this game was very winnable.

If I'm not mistaken when we played Denver they were the #4 defense in the league and we ran all over them, 47 rushes for 244 yards. The Bills came out rushing in that game and stuck with it with 47 rushes to 25 passes! Singletary with 21 rushes, Gore with 15 rushes and the Bills O line played well allowing only one sack. This game it was like the Eagles game in that the Bills O line got manhandled most of the game. The Bills center, Morse stunk it up. Once the Ravens saw the Bills couldn't hit those deep passes they came after Allen blitzing over and over...meanwhile, where were the adjustments to help stop those blitzes? That Ravens pass rush could have been deterred by running more with short, quick passes. The Ravens had a top five defense and it was enabled more by the bad play calling. Like I said, find a way to make that Bills run game work from the start with Singletary who got 5.2 YPC avg, while Gore with 4 carries got a 1.5 YPC avg. Daboll did this same crap against the Browns with only 20 rushes vs 41 passes and Allen is not at the stage yet where he can carry the offense with his arm against a good defense. Different play calling and its a completely different outcome and game in my view.

I didn't see Jackson throwing 30 yard passes early in the game at all. I just watched Jared Goff overthrow a pass on SNF. It happens, so why go back to it over and over? When you have a young QB with a strong arm that you know will probably be over hyped for this game the very last thing you should do is ask him to make those deep throws at the start. Yes, he should have hit them and yes it would have changed the complexion of the entire game. He didn't and when he didn't it gave the Ravens the notion that he wasn't a threat to throw deep and thus the Ravens defense went into jailbreak mode in rushing Allen like crazy. It was a moronic way to start the game with a still very inexperienced QB. Allen might have sounded like this wasn't a big game but that wasn't the case at all. This game was the very biggest stage in Josh Allen's short career Look at his history in high school in Firebaugh California, or in college at Wyoming and he was never on that big a stage at any point, not like this game. This game he knew the pressure was on him and it showed. When the offense had success the previous three weeks with a run first offense with almost double the runs vs pass. Why do the opposite in passing more then running while putting all the pressure to win the game on the QB? I would take Ravens OC Greg Roman over Brian Daboll any day as the latter reverts to his stupid losing ways in some games. Run the damn ball and find a way to make it work and the rest will follow.

It was windy, I didn't see Lamar Jackson having his great game as usual. Did you see Jackson completing 30 yard passes downfield? Besides most QB's with a strong arm tend to overpower early throws. I can't tell you how many times I've seen QBs do this same thing...even Brady does this. My point was what worked for the offense in the last three game was to get that run game going and the QB with short quick throws to get him settled in and gaining confidence. Singletary finished the game with a 5.2 yard per carry average. How do you not run him more? Beasley and Singletary should have been targeted with shorter passes in the beginning of the game. From my view the Bills OC went away from what worked the previous three weeks.

Buffalo with 39 pass attempts vs 23 rush attempts is the opposite of what has worked with the Bills offense the last three weeks in which they ran more then they threw it, against Dallas, against Denver, against Miami. While I acknowledge that Allen missed some throws...but then his deep passing completion percentage has been one of the worst in the NFL this year. So, why ask the kid to throw deep at all. The Bills came out running and gave up on it far too soon. Is there a written law somewhere that says you MUST pass the ball on 3rd and 4? At this time of the season it looks like Gore's tank is empty and Singletary's tank is full. Motor with a 5.2 YPC avg and 17 rushes, 6 receptions wasn't utilized nearly enough to start the game. Six sacks on Allen and the Bills O line had no adjustment on those blitzes by the Ravens. The way to neutralize the opponents pass rush is to run more, wear them out so in the fourth they are gassed. This game loss is on Brian Daboll in my view. Just like against the Browns 41 pass attempts with 20 rush attempts Daboll loses sight of what the offense does best in running to set up the pass. I'm really hoping that Daboll gets hired as a HC for some team after the season is over.

Knox 61% catch percentage. Foster 33%. Sweeny 37%. Roberts 40% McKenzie is at 74.1

Hauschka... Mr money is back

took his eye off the ball

Aww knox!

Finally a good pass play call

This is exactly why I'm hoping Daboll gets a HC offer and if Lynn gets fired the Bills hire him.