2003Contenders

Yes. Miami is without their starting Center now -- and I would be worried about Tua's health against that stout Jets defense.

Actually, I get the opposite sense when it comes to McD. I think he prides himself on finding diamonds in the rough at the CB position and believes that he can coach them up. In a way he is right, as he has managed decent production from late-round and undrafted players. Benford was a day 3 pick in the same draft as Elam.

Exactly. I am sure that McD also consulted with the ST coach and Bass to get an idea what the max would be. I am guessing they told him 50-55 yards, which is why the offense attempted a quick play with 5 seconds to go, which wasn't there. So the option with 1 second to go was a low percentage hail Mary or a kick that was beyond Bass' range (in yesterday's conditions), which was essentially 0%.

I also believe that the complaining about the officiating after the game was a bit of damage control on the part of Reid and Mahomes that was concocted between Mahomes' outburst and the press conferences. Mahomes' frustration on the sidelines was directed at his teammates -- offensive line and Toney in particular -- rather than at the officials. During his tirade you can clearly read Mahomes lips to say, "Offensive line, what offensive line?" Reid would rather have them outwardly complain about the officiating than show the whole world the inner-team turmoil.

What was the color combination they wore in the regular season games against KC the last 2 years?

While this piece was definitely a hatchet job on Dunne's part (appears he didn't even attempt to seek out alternative viewpoints), there is still plenty here that corroborates what many of us have suspected regarding McD's over meddling. Reminds me a bit of the Tom Coughin situation when he was with the Giants. Ultimately, some veterans went to him and voiced their frustrations. To his credit, Coughlin was open to their criticism and took some steps to get better. The Giants went onto win 2 super bowl under him. Wonder if something like that could happen here? Maybe instead of player-only meetings, a few key vets could have a intervention meeting with McD? Maybe Diggs tried to do that himself in the preseason and was sent home for his efforts? Maybe something like that DID happen when Dorsey was fired as the offense under Brady has been more fluid and Josh has looked more like the old Josh. Or, maybe Brady and Josh sensing that McD is not going to fire a 2nd OC decided to "F McDermott -- let's do things our way!"

Yea, I don't know about your race angle. What I believe is that back when Josh was drafted back in 2018 many in the media predicted that he would be a bust. Now 5-6 years in, many of these pundits are still trying to die on that hill and grasping for any straw that indicates there is any teeth to their argument. Heck, we still have plenty posters here who applaud every negative play Josh makes because they still insist that the Bills drafted the wrong Josh.

Agreed -- and under ordinary circumstances I could understand the logic there. But that is McD's biggest failure as a coach -- not accounting for the situation at hand as it relates to the flow of the game. What he had to understand there was: -- The team's failure rate in overtime during his tenure as head coach -- The defense had allowed the Eagles to score at will on 4 out of 5 second half drives -- The offense had played very well all game I also think that at least trying to do something on offense in those last 20 seconds would have sent a message to his team that he had confidence in the offense to win the game right there.

Agreed. That is why I suspect what the team will do until the smoke settles is "unofficially" place him on paid administrative leave. That is, the team will say that they realize that he he has more important things in his life to deal with right than football, and allow/urge him to do so.

Excellent summary! While Beane is the one who officially makes each pick, like all teams in the NFL, the Bills operate under a consensus type process. Beane, the scouts and the coaches (yes, including McD) are all part of the equation. Beane and the scouts work with the coaching staff to understand what style of offense/defense they run and dig to find players that fit the respective style. As a side note that is what makes the Elam pick all the more perplexing -- as the book on him coming out of college was that he was not a good fit for McD's defense. And Beane traded up for him to boot. Perhaps, as some have speculated, it really was a panic move after the run on CBs in the draft.

This one I just don't get. Not taking anything away from Purdy because he has operated exceptionally within that offense. But that offense is LOADED, has a fantastic offensive line and arguably the best play caller in the league as head coach. Compare that to what Mahomes, Allen (or even Stroud) have surrounding them.

The good news is that the Bills still more or less control their own destiny. The bad news is that they are in this dire situation thanks to ridiculous losses to inferior teams like the Jets, Pat and Broncos. It is sad that they are in the position of being behind a number of much suckier teams in the conference. I will say that the playoffs (win or go home) starts for them against the Chiefs. If they do manage to go 5-0 from here on out they will at least be battle-tested heading into the playoffs.

If the Bills can play the way they did against the Eagles -- minus all of the sabotaging on the part of the officials -- I believe that they very well WILL run the table. Also, on their side is the fact that Miami has not managed to beat a team with a winning record in quite some time. They will face 3 such teams down the stretch -- so if the trend continues, the Bills could win the division at 11-6 (just as they did in 2021). Lastly, the other AFC teams currently ahead of them (Colts, Browns, Texans, Steelers, Broncos) all play many games against each other. So, even if Miami does win the division, the Bills still have a legitimate shot at a wild card.

McD's biggest problem is that like many defensive-minded head coaches, he cannot step back and realize that as a HEAD COACH his responsibilities must shift, especially depending on the personnel and where the team's talents truly lie. There have historically been many coaches like this in the history of the NFL, coaches who were good or even near-great whose contempt for their own offense allowed their teams to underachieve. Back in the 70s George Allen had a generational talent in Sonny Jurgenson -- and chose to bench him in favor of the game manager Billy Kilmer. Buddy Ryan ascribed to the motto that he only wanted his offense to score 17 points and not turn the ball over because he was confident that his defense could win any such game. Never mind that he had Randall Cunningham, Keith Jackson, Cris Carter, etc. playing on the offensive side of the ball. McD seems to have that same mind-set. It's like he believes he will get more glory/satisfaction if the team wins because of the defense rather than the offense. You know, keep it close and hope that the team can pull it out in the 4th quarter. That may be fine when your offense sucks and you are trying to hide deficiencies hoping that a strong defense can pull it out in the end. Dick Jauron kept us in a lot of close games and finished with multiple 7-9 records with friggin' JP Losman at QB using this concept. But McD can't seem to get it through his head that: 1. Right now (especially with all of the injuries on defense) the offense is the better unit. 2. The defense has NOT been doing what is necessary to stop opponents late in the game. 3. The team's record with him as head coach is abysmal in close games So the concept of buttoning down the offense and keeping it close into the 4th quarter actually works AGAINST the team's best interest rather than in favor of it. And I am not sure what can be done to get him to realize this and change his mindset. It does seem like (miscues in the Philly game aside), since the Dorsey firing he's been more open to the offense doing its thing, rather than trying to limit Josh Allen. The playoffs are NOW, given that any loss from here on out could spell doom for the post-season, so we will see how he coaches down the stretch.

Except... the play you were talking about was NOT in a goal-to-go situation. It netted the Eagles 5 yards, and a first down conversion en route to an eventual TD. In that situation it was a bone-headed move by Phillips. He is responsible for entirely too many of these types of bone-headed moves this season.

It will probably take going 5-0 the rest of the way to make the playoffs. If the team does that it is hard to imagine McD being kicked to the curb. Also, if the offense continues to perform as it has the last 2 weeks under Brady, I think he definitely becomes the "permanent" OC. In this scenario, I think McD will promote someone to DC, but it will likely be in name only as he will continue to press all the buttons.

I think the distinction here is that in the Chargers game, the ruling on the field was a fumble. In our game the ruling on the field was an incomplete pass. In both cases it was close enough either way that the play was unlikely to be overruled. For conspiracy theorists, compare that to the last drive in regulation where the officials ruled a fumble on Hurts that was (rightfully) reversed to an incomplete pass. The announcers were complimentary of the refs for having let the play go on and NOT blow the whistle knowing that it would be reviewed and overturned if need be. Conversely, with Brown's catch-no catch, they did NOT do the same thing. The former was very clearly going to be over-turned, whereas the latter's call would have probably stood either way. Hmmm.

The only thing I would argue is that (to me) a missed FG should qualify as a turnover -- and, alas, there were 2 of those yesterday, which would put us at a negative turnover margin. In fact, you could argue that despite all the blunders in the game, it was their kicker's ability to make good on a 60-yarder versus our kicker missing two very makeable kicks that was the difference in the game.

I don't want to crucify the OP because frankly I have been in a similar spot -- even up through halftime yesterday. Taken in a vacuum his points about going toe-to-toe against the team with the best record in the NFL on their home field, making a ridiculously low-percentage field goal in the rain to tie it up... well, they are valid points. However, we do not operate in a vacuum. And when you look at all that went on in the 2nd half, it really was a microcosm of all that is wrong with McD. I too am leaning toward the belief that it is probably time to thank him for all that he has done, and look for some fresh blood in the off-season. At this point it looks like winning out is likely the only shot we have of making the playoffs. That would include road wins over KC and Miami. Not to mention a tough home game against the Cowboys. I will say that since 2020 the team has rallied after one of these mid/late season unlikely losses -- all of which were last-minute or overtime losses. In 2020 they went undefeated after "Hail Murray", in 2021 they went undefeated after the overtime loss against the Bucs, in 2022 they went undefeated after the overtime loss against the Vikings. Recall that the 2021 loss to the Bucs was also our 6th loss of the year, and things looked dire at that point. Then they rebounded and went into the playoffs strong. Anything short of that should spell the end of McD, I would think.

Actually I would BUY on Davis. As you said stock can't get much lower -- and after the bye he gets the Chiefs, against whom he has historically excelled. (Then sell him after the Chiefs game)

Agreed. One thing I will say that impressed me was the fact that the offense DID struggle a bit early in the game -- having to settle for field goals that kept the Jets in the game at just 9-0, despite the Bills' domination. Rather than panicking or trying to force the ball in those situations, they played it smart, got points each time -- and ultimately broke the Jets will in the 2nd half.

Rather than over-analyzing things going on in his personal life, it may simply be that the cards simply have not fallen his way this season. And he (and the entire offense) is in a slump because of it. The arc of the season as it relates to Josh Allen has been odd to say the least. Opening game against the Jets, he turns the ball over 4 times and is admittedly the big reason the Bills lose to the Rodgers-less Jets. After the game, Josh accepts the blame and vows to do a better job protecting the ball -- which he does, until recently. He rebounds after that and goes on a tear for 3 weeks in which he looks unstoppable. The team travels to the UK, gets jet-lagged, the defense loses some key contributors on defense -- and then the offense begins its funk for the next several games. I agree that something isn't quite right -- over-coaching? pressing? not taking what the opposing defense is giving him? Remember, defensive coordinators around the league get paid well too. There is now plenty of film on Josh and certain teams (Jets, Bengals, Jags) have done well making him uncomfortable. It's a copycat league -- and even the likes of the Pats and Giants emulated some of the things these other teams have done to slow him down. Also, other posters have shown just how UNLUCKY he has been so far this season. He actually has more turnovers than turnover-worthy plays, as opposed to players like Tua and Stroud who have gotten away with multiple mistakes with far fewer actual turnovers. The same is true of the offense as a whole, as the Bills have lost virtually every fumble they put on the ground. As Orlovsky said, the margin of error for this offense has been VERY thin. Now, does that mean that the law of averages will bear out -- and their luck will turn? Does it mean that this simply is not their year? Regardless, the playoffs begin now for this team. They probably can't afford to lose more than 1 more game from here on out. And it is up to Brady to figure out a way to make Josh comfortable, perhaps simplify the offense and put them in the best position to succeed.

Maybe not. But the fact of the matter is that, while the defense is literally missing half of the starters, the offense has been mostly healthy. Rather than helping to pick up the slack, the offense has actually regressed since the bevy of defensive injuries kicked in.

The "Just give it to them" game against the Bledsoe/Carrol Pats back in 1998.

I agree that you have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Josh. He has always reminded me of a more talented version of Favre. Josh has the physical tools to constantly wow us with things that no other QB can do. But he often fails when it comes to executing the smaller things that every NFL QB should be able to do. The former is a skill set that he was blessed with and cannot be taught. The latter are things that he can do if he is consistently disciplined. The part that makes this so frustrating is that Josh HAS shown in various stretches that he is perfectly capable of being patient, disciplined and making the right decisions. The game against Miami this season is a great example of that. The knee jerk reaction is to suggest that the issue is coaching. Maybe that is true -- but that wasn't exactly the case with Fave. That dude had Holmgren, Reid, Mariucci, and Gruden coaching him...