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Travis Kelce on Josh Allen taunting penalty: "So F---- whack"
2003Contenders replied to beebe's topic in The Stadium Wall
While the penalty itself may not have been a big deal, what COULD have been a big deal was the fact that one more such penalty would have led to Josh being ejected from the game. I have to wonder if this may have subconsciously made him play more timidly? Also, I would imagine that the Bengal defenders were probably trying to do everything they could to provoke him throughout the rest of the game. -
Bills vs Broncos-Monday Night Football
2003Contenders replied to BuffaloBillyG's topic in The Stadium Wall
Is it just me -- or does it feel like the coaches are not taking advantage of the "extra" days they have been afforded the last couple of weeks? I get that the extra time does help with healing the body, etc. but does not seem like they are getting any extra practice reps in. -
The "underachieving" offense really is a combination of factors: Lack of talent. Thanks to the unicorn that Josh Allen is, I think we fall into the habit of overrating the talent we have on offense. Yes, Allen, Diggs (and possibly Kincaid) are all elite -- but most of the remaining supporting cast is pedestrian at best. The OL is better than it has been in recent years but is still very much a work in progress with 1-2 positions still in need of an upgrade. Cook can be explosive but lacks the pass blocking skills and ability to consistently run between the tackles to be a bona fide every-down back. Davis remains inconsistent -- but the remaining receivers have not stepped up either. The offense has been at its best when Josh spreads the ball around -- he can't keep forcing the ball to Diggs. I am hopeful that the emergence of Kincaid (and to a lesser extent Shakir) will help in those regards. Unimaginative play design. It just seems that the Bills' offense has to fight tooth and nail for every yard, whereas our opponents (Bengals in the last game in particular) make it seem so easy. Our receivers almost never get much in the way of run after the catch -- and I am so sick of seeing pass plays go for 2 yards. I get that the trend for opposing defenses is to play back and take away the deep ball -- but maybe getting guys in motion, exploiting favorable match-ups, hitting on timing routes, improving the routes, etc. would help tremendously. Josh. Maybe a course in Risk Management would do him some good. Like, when does it make sense to go for the low percentage kill shot vs. taking the sure thing that at least results in a first down (or at least positive yardage). What is the old adage that you never go broke by consistently making a profit? As much as we all rightfully fuss at Dorsey, there are many times on film review that we can see that Josh by-passes a wide open receiver on an intermediate route for a receiver who is well-covered downfield. While it is true that he is amongst the leaders in completion percentage this season, I saw a recent stat that someone posted that he is only about 40% on passes traveling more than 20 yards. That means that his completion percentage on passes under 20 yards is lethal, and that is where he needs to be going on a consistent basis. Consistently hitting on well designed short and intermediate routes (see above) also helps to set up the deep pass when the opposing defense has to start cheating up. Recognizing game flow. This is on both Josh and the coaches. The coaches need to do a better job of getting the offense into a rhythm. Maybe that includes calling plays that get the ball out of Josh's hands in less than 3 seconds. Maybe it includes Josh being more decisive. Maybe it means running an up tempo/no huddle. But they also need to be flexible based on the opponent and situation at hand. The best example is opening day. We are up on the Jets by 10 at halftime playing against Zack Wilson and an inept defense. The plan then should have involved understanding the following: points are at a premium. That is, the Jets defense is good and it is hard to move the ball at will and score against them -- but their offense is so bad that it is hard to imagine them overcoming a 10-point deficit WITHOUT help from our own offense. And, of course, we all know what happened next, as Josh turned the ball over 3 times in the 2nd half, allowing the Jets to get back in (and ultimately win) the game. Protecting the football was all that was necessary for the Bills to win the game. The opposite happened against the Bucs a couple of weeks back. On multiple occasions a first down in Bucs territory would have iced the game -- but instead they tried repeatedly to draw the defense off sides. This was so obvious that the Bucs never fell for it. Lastly, it does seem like the coaches have been doing a decent job of making adjustments at halftime. However, this trend has also shown that these adjustments are taking too long, with the team repeatedly playing from a deficit in the 2nd half. Over-coaching. There have been times this season when Josh has looked very uncomfortable. Giving credit where it is due, some of that has to do with what defenses are doing to him. I think the coaches have drilled it into his head that he needs to avoid running with the ball, and that is making him look "unnatural". Not saying that Dorsey needs to call an abundance of designed run plays, but a few here and there will certainly keep Josh in his comfort zone -- and help break the back of the defense. In the past, when the offense would struggle, Daboll would intentionally call a sequence of run plays for Josh that would help ignite the offense.
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Interesting that you bring up the Cam Newton offense from 2015 -- McD was there to watch as Newton fell off the cliff the following year and observe what an accumulation of punishment can do the body. He is clearly mindful of that as it relates to Josh, and constant reminders from him about not overworking Josh as a ball carrier are likely part of what he meant by being involved in some of the offensive play calling. It is also clear that he wants to run the ball more. McD has been very vocal about that, and he is right that a quality running game would do wonders for this team. That is true in terms of opening things up for Josh and the play-action pass as well as being able to control the football in less than ideal weather conditions. When he was here Daboll rarely seemed interested in trying to genuinely institute a running game -- and when he did, it often seemed forced. Almost like he was flipping McD the bird and saying, "You want to run the ball more? I'll show you..." The problem is that -- especially as we saw against the Bengals Sunday night -- the Bills don't have the personnel to consistently run the ball against a quality defense.
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It also looks like Diggs is wide open at the bottom of the screen.
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We are now the worst defense in the league
2003Contenders replied to HappyDays's topic in The Stadium Wall
I definitely think the book is out on the defense. The screen game had been a BIG problem for the Bills really since the Jacksonville game, so the Bengals abused that by FAKING screens and going to wide open TEs. Speaking of Jacksonville that game is really the deliminator between when the Bills were a top 5 defense -- and when they became bottom 5. Obviously injuries are a big reason for that as Tre went down late in the previous game, and Jones/Milano both went down early against Jacksonville. I also do not think that the return of Von Miller (who was activated for Jacksonville) and the defense's struggles are coincidental. Miller has been useless since coming back this year. In fact, going back to last season, recall that the Bills were undefeated in the regular season after Thanksgiving when he went down. In fact, the only regular season game they lost with Miller out of the lineup was the opener this week against the Jets -- and that game was lost because of Josh NOT the defense. Worse, the defense has been awful at the worst times this season. They remind me of a terrible pitcher, who gives up big runs immediately after his offense has produced runs in the previous inning. Not exonerating the offense by any stretch of the imagination -- but in every one of the last 3 losses the team had a chance to win the game late with a stop by the defense. They failed. (Not to beat a dead horse, but it was Von Miller most recently who whiffed on a tackle against Joe Mixon that likely would have led to the Bengals punting and the Bills getting the ball back with a chance to win it.) Even in the 2 wins during that stretch, the defense ALMOST blew it at the end against both the Giants and Bucs. With all of the injuries we are missing clutch guys that make that big play -- be it a sack or a turnover -- at critical times late in the game. Remember the glory years when Bruce Smith or Cornelius Bennett would make one of those plays -- sometimes in a game that the Bills had no business winning? It seems forever ago that we were getting all those sacks against Howell and the Redskins. Yes, that was prior to all the injuries -- but where has the pass rush gone? Earlier in the year we were getting pressure just rushing 4. Now we can't even get to the QB with 5 or 6. Yes, Jones is missed -- but the rest of the line (especially the pass rush specialists) have been mostly healthy. It would certainly help if the (again, mostly healthy) offense would put together a consistent four quarters of football, which they have not done since Miami. I mean, it really does not matter how much the defense is struggling if the offense scores at will, right? -
Letting Josh coach himself was the incorrect decision
2003Contenders replied to Sharky7337's topic in The Stadium Wall
Now that he is a veteran in the league, I am not sure that ANY potential OC would have that same sort of relationship with him that Daboll had. Remember, Daboll was with him from the very beginning and exerted that "tough love" that went beyond just a mentor-student relationship. I suppose if a seasoned veteran with accolades/rings were to come in then the credibility would exist in such a way that a similar relationship could evolve. Not sure who would fit that bill. -
Also, it's not that the Cinci defense adjusted to what the Bills did on that first drive. Rather, the Bills' offense STOPPED doing what was successful for them on that first drive. That is, they got away from the quick-hitting, short and intermediate passing game and started trying to take deep shots, which took too long to develop and were much more low percentage.
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some perspective on a down season
2003Contenders replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
Excellent post. And I would bet that in most of the down-year situations that these teams had, there was an underlying reason why the team struggled. Injuries, new/rookie player(s) in key positions, etc. If you told me after the Jags game that the season was over due to all the injuries on defense -- and that the team was destined to lose a lot of 38-35 type games -- I would not have been happy but would have understood. The part that is so discouraging is that it is the offense, which has been mostly healthy, that has not been living up to its end of the bargain. Even against bad teams like the Giants and Pats. -
Bills sign DT Linval Joseph---Elam to IR
2003Contenders replied to Process's topic in The Stadium Wall
Yes, the Bills DL did a very nice job containing White and the Bucs' rushing attack (which is admittedly poor to begin with). Where they struggled against White (and other teams' RBs as well) is in the screen pass game. -
Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati
2003Contenders replied to BillsFan619's topic in The Stadium Wall
That is true. Also, there is a reason why Purdy was the last player selected in the 2022 draft. He has operated in Shanahan's offense brilliantly, but his physical talent is somewhat limited. There is now ample film is out on him and defenses are beginning to figure him out. -
Bills signing Fournette (for real this time)
2003Contenders replied to Process's topic in The Stadium Wall
While I agree with you, it appears that the coaching staff is worried about Josh's health (especially with the nagging shoulder) and reluctant to run this play as often as we would like. -
Bills signing Fournette (for real this time)
2003Contenders replied to Process's topic in The Stadium Wall
Yep. Murray looked like the veteran between-the-tackles back we needed to compliment Cook earlier in the year, but as the season has gone on, it is becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the juice to get through the rest of the season in a role that had become bigger with the loss of Harris. -
This one is a hard one for me to pick. Yes, the Bills and Bengals matched up twice last season. However, there is little to take away from either game. In the Week 17 match-up last season, the game was cancelled in the 1st quarter after Hamlin's horrific injury. Up until that point neither defense seemed capable of stopping the opposing offense. Might that have resulted in a shootout over the course of a full game? Or, would one side or the other have adjusted? In the playoffs, that is one of those games that I think from an evaluation point you simply burn the film. The Bills were clearly gassed heading into that game -- and many of the players afterwards admitted as much. Last season was a grind given all the drama on so many fronts, and it just felt like everything came crashing down that weekend. Yes, the Bengals clearly dominated that game, but they also had all of the energy. I guess what I am saying is that it is hard to predict what will happen based on those two games from last year. It is true that our defense seemed incapable of stopping their offense in either game -- but the sample size is small and perhaps a bit deceiving. Also, the defensive game plan -- allowing 10-yard cushions against their receivers with Burrow getting rid of the ball quickly was a recipe for disaster. Of course, with Frazier gone now perhaps McD will be more aggressive. Hopefully he does not employ last year's game plan!
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Chiefs v Dolphins in Frankfurt Germany
2003Contenders replied to Aussie Joe's topic in The Stadium Wall
Considering that we control our own destiny against both teams (maintain pace with them and beat them head-to-head), it is hard to pick which one to root for. I guess the Chiefs since the division is on the line with Miami -- and Miami has not shown that they can beat good teams. No sense giving them confidence that they can. -
Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati
2003Contenders replied to BillsFan619's topic in The Stadium Wall
I think the Bills need to approach this game like they did the Miami game. Namely, it is imperative that the offense executes -- and scores on each possession in order to keep up with the Bengals. -
Pete Rozelle's dream of parity across the NFL is here. Literally any one of several teams could represent the AFC in the Super Bowl as they all have chinks in their armor: -- Bills are inconsistent and the defense is banged up at every position -- Aside from Mahomes/Kelce, the KC offense is not especially talented -- Miami reminds me of the 1999 Jacksonville Jaguars -- went 14-2 and had the #1 seed in the playoffs that year but only played one quality opponent all year (Tennessee twice) and got bounced their first game in the playoffs (by Tennessee). -- Lamar has all-world upside -- but hard to trust him to play that way for more than 2-3 games in a row. -- Like last year, Cinci, struggled early on (especially on offense) largely due to injuries. They appear to have righted their ship (just in time to play the Bills). -- Cleveland's defense is legitimate -- but without a reliable/healthy QB, not sure how far they will go. Same with the Jets. -- Pittsburgh's record is a bit of a mirage. They have won a couple of games they had no business winning thanks to fluke plays. Also, the offense does not seem capable of scoring more than 20 points on a weekly basis. -- Jacksonville has the advantage of playing in such a weak division -- although they have not exactly cleaned up in that division so far this year. Defense is underrated and their running game is legit. T. Lawrence still hasn't shown that he is elite, however.
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You are right that many fans were upset about the decision to go defense there -- especially after having gone back-to-back 1st/2nd round picks the year before with Groot and Boogie. I think what especially hurt was that with the injury to Tre (and knowing that he was likely to also miss much of the 2022 season as well) EVERYONE knew that the Bills were in the market for a CB. This is the perfect example of why you do not draft exclusively for need. To make matters worse, while it may have been a positional need, clearly Elam was not a great fit for what McD wants in his corners. This may have been the classic example of a coaching staff believing that they could take a physically talented player and "coach him up". Perhaps Elam's current status with the team suggests that he is not as coachable as they hoped he would be? The popular pick for the Bills at the time (by many fans and pundits alike) was Breece Hall. He dropped to the 2nd round to the Jets. Have to wonder how much differently things may have gone if the Bills had made that pick -- especially not knowing at the time that the late-round pick of Benford would help soften the apparent miss on Elam.
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Bills vs Tampa Bay. On to Week 8
2003Contenders replied to BuffaloBillyG's topic in The Stadium Wall
Also, he is tiny. Like 5'6" so not much of a catch radius. Still, he has made some key plays the last 2 weeks, so I believe he merits more looks in the offense. -
Funny thing is that many were complaining about Dorsey's lack of creativity last week when Cook ran the ball all 6 times that the situation was 2nd and short. Yet, Cook converted a first down on 5 out of 6 of those situations. So I am not complaining. Also, maybe that perceived tendency will open the playbook up in those 2nd and short situations.
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Bills vs Tampa Bay. On to Week 8
2003Contenders replied to BuffaloBillyG's topic in The Stadium Wall
I think getting Ed back would be a huge shot in the arm to the pass rush, which was nearly non-existent against Mac Jones last week. Baker likes to hold onto the ball and is not especially elusive, so the opportunity should be there to get some pressure on him. -
Well, I am hopeful that the Bills did figure out how to beat it. Scored TDs on 3 of 4 possessions in the 2nd half (not counting the desperate last 12 seconds). Maybe a 4th down drop from Knox away from going 4 for 4. The key beginning Thursday will be to make the necessary adjustments sooner.
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Has NFL Given Any Explanation Why Flag Was Picked Up?
2003Contenders replied to st pete gogolak's topic in The Stadium Wall
I suppose the thought could be that the possible infraction had no bearing on the play given that the center did not actually block anyone. But that is not for the officials to decide. It smells of the NY office calling down to the field to tell the officials to pick the flag up so that Billy B. could get a shot at winning #300 at home. Not saying that is what happened, but sometimes perception is reality. -
If you told me ahead of time that Josh would complete 65% of his passes against the Pats, toss 2 TD passes and rush for another, convert on a 2-point conversion, and have only one turnover, I would have expected that the Bills would have beaten the Patriots going away. The play of the admittedly depleted defense -- coupled with (and give them credit where it is due) Mac Jones and the Patriots offense playing out of their minds -- is what cost the Bills the game. That said... There are certainly things that Josh can do better. Three games in a row now opposing defenses have done a good job of making him uncomfortable, which has resulted in some timing/poor decision issues. Dorsey needs to design and call more plays that help to get the ball out of his hand quickly. And Josh needs to deliver on those plays rather than look for the kill shot every time. Like the old saying goes, "You will never go broke if you make a profit every time". The bad news is that the defense is likely going to be a season-long problem as (barring a significant trade) I don't see reinforcements on their way. So it is going to be important for Josh and the offense to score. Hopefully, the performance by the offense in the 2nd half against the Pats will help to ignite them. If nothing else, maybe he has some faith in Kincaid now as another reliable, chain-moving weapon.