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I'm sorry, what? (I actually like rap and Drake and have no idea what is going on here)

WTF are you talking about? I may be wrong here, but I am fairly certain you can't just break down the contract into line items and sell/buy whatever portions of the contract you don't want to deal with. A team can't just go to NE and say, "hey we'll give you a 2nd for Gilmore, and if you pay an additional X part of his contract we will throw in a 4th too".

I have actually been OK (see not happy, but not angry like a lot of other posters) with Hughes, and to a lesser extent Addison. Our bigger issue has been DT and LB which has been 2 fold. 1. Per Joe B. in the Athletic, we have Oliver lining up at 1 tech 66% of the time. He is playing out of position, so he sucks at 1 tech and now we have a hole at 3 tech. 2. Edmunds has been overpersuing a ton! He can hit the hole hard and fast, but somehow finds a way to run right by the RB. If we could get better play at 1-tech and Edmunds, we would all be much happier with Hughes and Addison. Trent is a bit of a whipping boy. I see him as JAG. If we can save money by cutting him, great, if he sticks around, OK I guess.

His cap hit this year is like $25M. I am not one of the resident cap-ologists, but it is pretty expensive for a rental this season. Next year is about $17.5M. I am actually less concerned about cost in draft capital and more concerned with managing the cap. The only way it works I think is probably with an extension as well to spread out the damage. But now you are extending a player who has not been good this year and taking a chance that he will return to form. If he doesn't you end up eating tons of $$$.

This! 4-0 in the division and 6-2 goes a long way, especially with the 7th seed this year. Random thought, wasn’t there a team (Raiders maybe?) around 2010 that went 6-10 on the year but won all of their division games?

I think people get worked up by total cash. But by percent of the cap not much has changed. Kelly made about $3.1M per year on a $35M cap. Just under 10%. Outside of 5-ish QB’s that’s right around where the bulk of QB’s are. Given the rule changes it is not surprising that passers have creeped up a few points, but it’s not out of the ordinary.

In order to fix the DL you need to basically cut half to 3/4 of them. Then replace them. All the while you also need help at CB2 and nobody knows what the hell is going on at either LB position. So sure you can “fix it” by taking some dead cap. But you then don’t actually have a DL and you have to replace them. Like I said, you can’t just cut everybody and generically say, “oh well FA and the draft”. We have the highest paid DL in the league with minimal performance. That’s not just a cut and replace a guy situation.

Sorry I meant to say starting experience. But to the over all point, I wouldn’t feel comfortable at all if AJE was our only DE on the roster.

I have a feeling that the swing and a miss in all that cash on the DL from last off season will be a problem that will take a few years to rebound. It’s a Beane failure compounded by some uncertainty around what to/if you pay Edmunds/Milano plus a new Allen contract. Cash to performance wise, this DL sort of reminds me of the Walker Dockery signings from like 15 years ago.

I am as not upset with the DL situation and the production of our FA’s as anybody. But we can’t just drop them all because money, contracts, and production. We HAVE to have planned upgrades, not just say “the draft and FA”. Murphy, Addison, Hughes leaves exactly zero starting DE on the roster. You probably keep Hughes and Addison one more year. Jefferson probably gets cut with Murphy.

I think we agree here. An Edmunds extension will probably be something closer to what he and his agent thinks they can improve to because of measurables, not based on what he has already done. It will be interesting to get an idea of where everybody values his play as that time inches closer.

So basically we should start welcoming him to Buffalo?

I mean, even if they played nothing but Sunday at 1pm games, they would play 3 games in 14 days 100% of the time.

Where did McD say he was their long term solution? I know he said he had faith that Edmunds would figure out a way to get back on track, but I missed the part you are referencing.

What are your greatest needs then? I get OL, but pass protection has been pretty good, just not run blocking. CB depth is a major need, but I think the secondary has had major issues because the pass rush never gets there and the safeties have been creeping up to help in run support. Getting an upgrade at DT I think helps Hughes, Addison, Oliver, Edmunds, and our secondary.

I have not spent much time with this trade because I doubt the Jets move him in the division without a major price tag. But if they were to do something like this, 2020 would be the year to do it. We barely have college football and grading prospects will be much more of a guessing game than years prior. Probably safer and possibly more beneficial than in years past.

I think you got that a little backwards. His first 3 years were dirt cheap, like $8-9M against the cap. $25M this year $17.7M next year. His dead cap for 2021. So the Pats can get out of it for like $7.7M. If this were last year I would absolutely consider it for Buffalo. We had tons of space. We spent way too much on not even good play on the front 7 and then a ton more on old man Norman. I would rather have Gilmore next to Tre for two years than AJ Klein, Josh Norman, and Trent Murphy at approximately the same value (you can pepper in some combination of Addison, Butler, and/or Jefferson) (Disclaimer: Not knocking Beane- Totally just a "what if") https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/

This occurred to me earlier. I don’t think he set course for that. But given his loss of practice due to Covid, then dropping 2 in a row. It is the hand he is dealt at the moment. He’s missing basically half of his starters due to opting out. He could tank and still come back with a top 5 defense and a rookie QB.

There is some credence to that. That contract is a huge reason why they didn't have enough cash to get a deal done.

Anybody see what the dudes cap hit is this year? $25M? Wow

Right...and they delivered on exactly zero of them. If it weren’t for special teams we were on pace for a whopping zero points today. Even with a few short fields.

Dude, you took one small criticism and ran away like a freight train. You referenced a bunch of stuff I didn’t even talk about. Not well measured. I’m not even sure you read my post. You may want to go back and check. Yes Allens ball placement has regressed the last two weeks. TN was worse than LV, and KC was worse than TN. That’s about as clear as that gets with what I meant vs the definition of the word. I thought that was pretty well agreed upon. I didn’t get into why. But I can get behind that his non throwing shoulder may be making that worse. But we also have two seasons with a healthy non-throwing shoulder with similar issues. So I am trying to figure out what’s pattern and what’s new. It’s why I didn’t go into detail, but you did. You specifically asked me how I felt about his pocket presence. I listed it as a pro. People don’t talk about it enough. Im hoping you had a couple pops before you wrote this one because it seems a bit out of character. My post was a total of like 9 sentences, 3 bullet points, and you basically misinterpreted all of it because I said ball placement ha regressed the last two weeks.

Allen’s ball placement seems to have regressed the last two weeks. Other than that I have two major thoughts on him this year. Pro: his pocket presence has been remarkable. I’m very impressed. He doesn’t get enough praise for the leap he’s made in it this year. Con: he holds onto the ball too long. I get we run a lot of downfield patterns, he can make extend plus, looking for the big play, etc. But dude, it’s ok to hit a 3-5 step drop at the top. We almost never see it.

Joe B. pointed out something I didn’t realize with Oliver. We have him lining up at 1-tech far too often. I don’t think it’s a leap to suggest that’s why we haven’t seen enough or consistent production out of him. He’s too small to play 1-tech. That said, Zimmer should be playing 1-tech. So if by starting you mean, stop lining up Oliver at 1-tech and use him almost exclusively at 3-tech, then sure, why not. It can’t be any worse. ...but if you mean replace him at 3-tech, you are out of your gord.

Good thing we got all those D-Linemen so we can get them in the rotation at CB2 and or NCB, and OG. Maybe since Philips didn’t dress last week he can get an opportunity playing CB or OG? ...a girl can dream, can’t she?