GRHater69

Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Not at all....watch the video.

Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles, Andrew Luck. Let's just say Frank has had good fortune in being with teams that had really good QBs. If he comes to the Bills in 2015 who does he end up with, EJ Manuel? Odds are that even Frank couldn't have done much with that. Not taking anything away from him as a coach, but the only year he wasn't on a team with a good QB was 2012 with the Cardinals and that staff got blown out after that season. Can't overlook this when judging him as a coach.

I have friends in Pittsburgh. They all think the Bills will be a sleeper team next year because they have a developing roster and the national media tends to ignore us.

I have it on good authority from a very reliable and inside source that Tre White was just seen at the Buffalo airport with Bill Cowher.

Sure, to cap off that thrilling win would've been very exciting Some selective amnesia here. We tend to look back on this as the "last play of the game". It wasn't. If Clay scored there, the Dolphins would have had almost a full minute to get at least a field goal to tie the score assuming the Bills didn't go for two or miss the PAT. It wasn't a sure thing that the pass to Clay, if caught, would have won the game. Yes a completion there would have been a great play and hi-lite reel material for a few years, but there was more time to play in that game. As a side note, remember what a flag fest it was that day with a lot of calls against the Bills. I have no doubt that Sean Hoculi and his crew could have influenced the rest of that game.

I like to play what-ifs like this, but 9-7 with this team would have been a bad mirage and not good for moving forward because it may have hid some of the weaknesses. Just so everyone knows I've been following the Bills since John Rauch was the coach. This is only the 4th time that I've been excited for the next season after a losing record. The first was after 1972, it was Saban's first year back and we only won 3 or 4 games, but you could see things were changing and the team won 9 games the next year and made the playoffs the following year. I was also pumped after 1986, Kelly's first year and we were 4-12 that season, but it was obvious that he was everything we hoped for during those dark 2-14 years. We had a good '87 season, but the strike messed things up for us. And then there was 2007....yes I know it was Trent, but I thought he had something and the team won 7 games with an injury depleted roster. Of course we know how that ended, but he looked good for a while in 2008. I'm really psyched for next year, I didn't want Allen on draft day, but he's changed my mind.

You know what other coach turned around a perennial loser in year one then had a disappointing year two? Tony Sparano in Miami.

you could still question Darnold vs Allen Only if we had passed on him. We just weren't in position to draft him (although we could have been, but the Jets FO beat us on that one.) So I don't look at like I would Allen vs. Rosen. For the record I wanted Rosen, but have changed my mind.

I did not like the pick in April, but this kid has a ton of potential. This will be an important off season, but I think he's going to be OK

For me, after he got injured, things really went bad, it seemed the Bills tried to make him a pocket passer and that finished him. I thought that about him as well. He got hurt in the preseason then again in regular season against Cleveland. Once he came back, he looked like he had chances to pull the ball down and make something happen but would then stop. That's mostly coaching, heck even Rex said that Manuel should use his legs more. They did the same thing to JP Lossman. He could run, but Jauron and his "staff" forced him to stay in the pocket.

Maybe the players should kneel when the fans start swearing at them in protest!

That '75 team........if they only had a defense they could have done some damage. Fergy was developing nicely, OJ had his last great year, but they couldn't stop anybody. Still bugs me 40 odd years later.

Sorry I don' know what came over me?

Showing my age, but the last time a rookie QB for the Bills won in Foxboro was in 1973. That was Joe Ferguson with OJ running wild behind the Electric Company. Maybe the spirit of Mike Montler who played on that line and who passed away this week will have some influence. I'm quoting that as a plus, hey it's Christmas! I will expect to see the Patriots running game a lot this week. Even though they've lost 2 games, let's be real. 1 of those games was on a flukey play that maybe works once every 15 years or so. Brady's numbers in that game were far from pedestrian. And the loss to the Steelers was against a very good team that will more than likely make the playoffs. This is a negative in that the Patriots ain't all that bad even compared to years past.

Mods please close the topic on the grounds that the OP is being perfectly realistic and making waaaay too much sense. Thanks!

Some of the drafting has been poor, Aaron Maybin comes to mind, but it's hard to judge drafts when there's constant regime change and guys "don't fit the mold" of the new GM and/or coach. There are a lot of former Bills players still contributing around the NFL. We'll play 2 of them this weekend.

Yes everybody needs to go, even the parking lot attendants!!!! This board needs to take over the team......SB Baby!

He wasn't the starting center that year. It was originally Bruce Jarvis, but he tore up a knee and Montler stepped in and they didn't miss a beat. I believe Montler had played for the Patriots prior to the Bills and was brought in as a depth guy.

I wanted Rosen as well. Glad to be wrong at least this far, but it's early.

I agree that today was probably his best game yet even though the stats won't show it. He stayed in the pocket for the most part and had some big time throws, like the TD to Foster and the pass to Croom on the last drive. But these drops.......arghhhh....not his fault, but he had a lot of drops in college as well. Just frustrating to see.

There were some plays in the second SB that still bother me. Kenny Davis and Jimbo not being on the same page during the helmet fiasco. Watch the 30 for 30 Four Falls of Buffalo. There was a huge hole in the defense and odds are Thurman takes that to the house. Also Don Beebe dropped a TD and there was a terrible non PI call on Andre Reed. These were plays that could have changed the outcome. Not saying the Bills would have won, but you never know. The team was banged-up that year. We lost John Davis to a knee injury, James Lofton had a bad foot and it showed. Leonard Smith got hurt and never played again and Bruce was coming off that botched knee surgery and was a shell of a player that year. The Skins were a great team in '91, but the playing field was probably not as level as it should have been that day. As for the the 4th SB, how about Kelly overthrowing a wide open Don Beebe at the end of the 1st half after a Dallas turnover. That would have made the score 17-6 with the Bills getting the 2nd half kickoff. One more score and that game may have been over. Troy Aikman and the Cowboys were not good at comebacks in those days.

A few years back both Ed Reed and Mike Carey were discussing PI on Inside the NFL. The gist of the argument was that if the NFL made PI a 15 yard penalty the DBs would do it all day to WRs and that's why they place the ball at the spot of the foul. I hated to admit it, but I did have to agree. What drives me crazy as a fan is the way the subjective calls can suddenly change the flow, or worse, the outcome of a game........we all remember "Just give it to him". That's where the NFL leaves itself open to the most criticism and being accused of trying to keep Vegas happy.......or Robert Kraft. It happens every weekend, just ask the Eagles about that opening kickoff fumble against Dallas. Or for that matter ask the Chiefs and Rams about all the ridiculous flags for illegal contact on that Monday night barn burner a few weeks back.

I wonder if some of Allen's problems against the Jets were due to fatigue. I'm not talking rookie wall stuff, but rather he has to be on his toes for a full 60 minutes at a much higher level both physically and especially mentally then what he's used to. Maybe that's starting to wear him down a bit as the season progresses. All part of learning how to be an NFL QB.

I think it was the East Aurora site......and to the OP, I can;t even remember what that was called either.

I think Mayfield is the best of the class at this point and it will be on their front office to maximize his talents with a good coaching staff. He has a good supporting cast thanks to all those low finishes the Browns have had. Darnold will be a good one as well, but the same will hold true for him depending on what the Jets do in the off season. Rosen is on a bad team right now, worse than the Bills or Jets and while I doubt Wilks goes one and done, if things don't get better next year, they may also be shaking things up next year Edmunds is a boy in a man's body. He's playing a difficult position at 20 years of age. It also wouldn't surprise me if he's hitting the rookie wall as well. He should be much better next year with a full year of film study and NFL strength and conditioning. I do like what I've seen from Allen, but am also realistic. He does seem to have more between the ears than JP or EJ which hopefully means he can develop and be coached out of bad habits. Now to be fair, Trent Edwards had more brain power than those other two guys and washed out. But I'd like to think Allen has more mental toughness than Trent. Trent had potential, bit the hits and the Ints got in his head. We need to remember where Allen came from also, Wyoming is not a big time school program compared to the other guys. The fact that he's gotten this far has made me take more notice.