GRHater69

So it’s basically this forum but on the radio? That made my day!

I have a much longer living memory so unless you want to compare him to say Perry Tuttle, he's not a bust yet at all. He seems to be playing better and the drops are far less frequent than last year. Based on his draft status, you could say Watkins was a bigger bust. I do have to say though that I was expecting a lot more from him even in his rookie year given his college stats. I hope he can keep developing.

Playoff series are more games thus more chances even though the Sox are overmatched, but in football there's only one chance unless the teams meet in the playoffs. Odds are the Pats want some revenge for the opener last year and the time the Chiefs pasted them on MNF a couple seasons ago. It's the better bet for tonight......but yeah....it would be great if they both lost.

Chiefs may be due for a letdown.....but that's why they play the game!

Breaking news Tyrod's cadence has just been accused of sexual assault. A woman from when his cadence was still in kindergarten has come forward as have several others. Protesters are already assembling outside the WGR studios demanding the cadence be removed from the recordings immediately.

I remember the QB who was under the most scrutiny was Elway because of how he forced the trade from the Baltimore Colts. He struggled with short passes early because he lacked proper touch....he learned as the season went on. Marino was a stud when he took over, his first pro start was against the Bills in the old Orange Bowl, a game the Bills won in OT, their first win there since the 60s. He was out dueled by Joe Ferguson that day, but you could tell he was going to be something special. Ken O'Brien rode the bench that year behind Richard Todd with the Jets and managed to get in some trouble during the season with a nightclub incident. We know that Kelly wasn't here for 3 years. For some reason I have almost zero memories of Todd Blackledge, no shock considering he was the bust of that draft. As someone else mentioned, Tony Eason didn't start right away either, but around 85-88 he and Boomer was among the top QBs in the AFC. I remember he was considered a reach at the time of the draft.

Back in the 70s Joe Theisman used to return punts. Yes I'm old if I remember that!

I would think the Bills were a mess if they had brought back a coach who had been out of football forever, given him a ridiculous contract, and then he had done something like traded one of the best defensive players in the NFL for draft picks. But no team would do that....would they? Bottom line people, let the national hacks have their way with us, it all evens out at some point.

Groy is a partial victim of the people around him. He stepped-in nicely for Eric Wood in 2016 but he also had Richie Incognito lined-up next to him.....now look what he has. Vlad the stiff and Miller. 2 guys who probably don't start anywhere else in the NFL. I'm not defending Groy, but he's not the only problem.

you can argue that it's taking O linemen as much time to develop as QBS. Eric Wood was on Sirius a few weeks back and said that a lot of college offenses operate out of the spread and do mostly shotgun. When these guys get to the pros they have to learn how to play with "their fingers in the dirt". Now I don;t know what offense Teller played in college, but I would imagine he needs time to adjust to the pro game.

He had a great TD pass to Andre Reed in that game. It was a classic Reed catch & run, a sign of things to come as he got better as a WR. Too bad we don't have any developing talent like that on the roster at this point. It would go a long way toward helping Allen this year. Even JP Lossman still had Eric Moulds and a young Lee Evans. Maybe Zay Jones can step it up......maybe...... A lot of Kelly's early success that year was due to Pete Metzellars. We need Charles Clay to stop being invisible tomorrow.

The road team and Dallas Cowboys always in white. Read a story some years back That the driving force behind the Cowboys "home whites" was that ownership felt that opposing teams in white always looked the same. By dressing his team in white the opponents wore their colored tops and gave the fans a different view. I heard it was due to superstition since the Cowboys wore their blue uniforms the prior year in the Superbowl loss to the Colts (1970). Someone in the organization figured they were bad luck so they wore white as much as possible after that loss.

Only thing I would argue is that Miami wasn't in the league as long as the Jets or Patriots. It's a bad stat line for the Bills, but 2 of those QBs Totten and McClure were during the '87 strike games, not that you should toss those numbers, but it's not as bad as on the surface. And Manucci never actually started a game per the OP. For me the biggest bust was Ferragamo. I thought he would come in here and help turn things around, but he was terrible.

Ah yes, Billy Joe Hobert, or as Jim Rome called him, Billy Joe Gunrack. You're right he never started. I would also add Gary Marangi to that list. But there was time in the preseason where people thought he was a better option than Ferguson. So even back in the 70s preseason was misleading. I'm a bit older and have seen a lot of bad QB play. People need to remember that at one time Dennis Shaw was a rookie of the year after the '70 season. Then the following year the Bills put him out behind one of the worst offensive lines ever and he got killed. In a week 2 game at Minnesota he was sacked 9 times if memory serves. That was the '71 team that went 1-13 with OJ Simpson I might add. Bad line, terrible coaching (Harvey Johnson).....sound familiar?? Bottom line, you start Allen for the simple reason his name isn't Peterman, but be careful what you wish for.

Booker Moore missed his entire rookie year because of this, but did come back and play the following year. I hope this young man can get past this.

but he was a lot tougher than I remember. He took a beating, and many times the hits looked pretty bad, yet he would either be right back in the huddle, or miss a play or two and be back. We tend to forget he also played at a time when Astroturf was the primary surface in the NFL I remember him saying in an interview what a hard surface that was and how sore he would be after games. Ironic that his career ended with an ACL tear on natural grass and not on the fake stuff when he left us for that "other" football team. As for the other featured players this season I can understand Dwight Clark. He made "The Catch" which launched a dynasty and did sadly just pass away from ALS which is a horrible disease. I'll skip the Collinsworthless one, just like I did with Rodney Harrison.

We lost the first SB because of Andre Reed.....period. After the safety if he didn't hear Myron Guyton's footsteps and held on to the ball for a critical 3rd down conversion we go in and score. That would have taken the Giants out of their gameplan and forced them to throw more which would have unleashed Bruce and Biscuit. To me the whole game swung on that series. We get 2 pts. on the safety, and then another 7. That's 9 points when we already had the lead.

I miss the good old days of Ferguson/Marangi/Hunter..........

Rick was in the booth, but Al did all the game calls. That's his voice on the iconic OJ getting 2,000 yards you always see from NFL Films. He was good at what he did and I enjoyed listening to him.

Guys the red helmets were 1984. Vince Feragamo ('85) and Jim Kelly ('86) had nothing to do with it. It was then head coach Kay Stephenson. At that time in the AFC East the Bills, Dolphins, Pats, and Colts all had white helmets (not the Jets) and Stephenson thought it would help the QBs find their targets especially down field. It started in '83 when Kay took over, they made the buffalo logo bigger on the side of the helmet, and then switched to red the following year. Kay was a QB coach under Knox so he was trying to help the offense out.

There was a rumor at one point that the Chargers wanted to trade the rights to the 2nd overall pick to the Bills that year (98) because Kevin Gilbride wanted Rob Johnson from the Bills. Gilbride was his OC in Jacksonville. At the time I though the Bills should have done that, but neither of those guys amounted to much. I do wonder what history would have been like had we made the deal and then had Leaf bust on us the way he did. Ironically he beat us opening day that year. He barely won 4 games his career and we were one of them.

I loved that 30 for 30 like interview with Polian where he gave a whole new perspective on Kay Stevenson. Polian said Stevenson and the front office were in a position where they could trade all their picks for short term talent or else faithfully make all of the picks to properly rebuild the franchise and lose their jobs. Polian credited Stevenson for doing the right thing. Polian said Stevenson insisted that the draft selections be made. Polian says the same thing in his book, it did give me a different outlook on the guy. Kay suffered from inheriting a team that was getting old and hadn't done enough in prior years to reload vs. rebuild. Opening day of 1983 Kay's first year you had Ferguson, Frank Lewis, Jerry Butler, Joe Cribbs on offense. Opening day 1984 all you had was Ferguson. The other established guys were gone or inured. The front office did zero to really replace them.

That's what you get with bad coaching decisions. Just the opposite happened here in Marrone's first ever game ironically against the Patriots. The Bills had the lead going into the 4th, but back then Marrone and Hackett were trying to run a no-huddle offense and those idiots refused to come out of it and burn clock. That allowed the Patriots and Danny Amendola to take them apart on a game winning drive late. Dome things never change. I never forgot that, it was college level game management.

I'm joking, and hope he's ok: https://sports.yahoo.com/jaguars-leonard-fournette-involved-car-accident-not-injured-182809667.html?src=rss

Wouldn't surprise me if after all the controversy with the Pats games and all the negative national attention plus Pegula speaking out against the way the rules were being enforced that the commish or someone high up in the NFL office told Riveron he was way overstepping his bounds and to stop it. There are already rumors that Blandino my be coming back to the NFL next year if the money is right.