NoSaint

Wait, you made a post on this topic in another thread then started a new thread and didn’t even include that posts content? is this one of those parody threads?!?

Yea, shocking that you walk into an established community and tell them to find somewhere else to go and it gets push back. Im all for new folks and the board evolving... but if you are walking into a country bar and hitting the jukebox with techno and telling off the folks that have been there for 20 years... yea, it might be a “you issue” and not the bars fault. That’s not a private club, that’s just being respectful of communities that you are newly entering. not a terribly big deal- the guys that pull that tend to flame out pretty quickly.

Last year we had two more players with pro bowls on the depth chart and still traded up to add dawkins. Based on the losses of glenn and wood, and comparing adding a guy like bodine to ducasse and Dawkins... I have a hard time buying either part of your argument

One might argue that the new guy that wants change should be the one starting his own board, not the dozens of guys that started this board and have been coming for years (decades for the originals) I always liken it to walking into the neighborhood bar — do you respect the regulars or tell them to get out if they don’t like you?

I think there’s a lot more that needs to come into play here for a real discussion. We are talking a decrease of less than 16 inches and starting at 2012 is like a 9 inch gap. Obviously methodology needs explanation... but also things like how the spread on distance actually breaks down by ranges before making assessments. Agreed but at, say, 35-ish passes a game... where those 15 air yards went can be as subtle as 1 screen pass instead of a throw at the in the mid range for instance. Or using the one year shorter window it’s like 9 yards a game different in the air. Which effects outcomes but is it a drastic change in the structure of Nfl offenses?

It wouldn’t be my first choice but I think any outsider likely sees a 30 year old feature back with a ton of carries.

This will be an interesting crossroads does the guy get into trouble leaving the mentorship of Patrick Peterson and being much closer to the former bad influences of Nola

I’ll mention again, I’m good with him coming off the wall. In case anyone was wondering.

Definitely a spot where what someone wants to have happen or thinks will happen may not come to fruition but we all know you are good at weighing sources and sharing accurately hes such an interesting case as an owner. You may feel different but it seemed he really wanted to move, not just used it as leverage. But he also gave a small market in Nola a championship (after decades of failure).... it’s one of those spots where his legacy is messy but the city’s relationship with the team is rock solid. While I think Ralph went to the wall for buffalo, I think New Orleans (and benson) got lucky that he wasn’t able to move the saints.

Seeing zach brown, a more athletic lb, struggle to get the deal he wanted the last few years left me feeling like brown wouldn’t be getting the brinks truck. gaines I think still sees a pay day - cb vs lb is a different discussion. That said, the longer he lingers the better our shot

In this case I think it’s likely wise to listen to Kirby about the difference between what’s on paper vs what’s in hearts and minds. my impression is that the plan is there but it’s very possible it ends up a band aid and not a true long term solution.

Its so tricky to peg early qb draft slots. Unlike the top lb or wr who will land in a pretty tight range — one gm disliking a qb can see a fall from 4 to 25 all of a sudden every team getting decent place holders might slow the run run a bit... or not at all

Thats monster- essentially a2 year 34m fully guaranteed with a third year option at a discount of 14m....

Easy - would you rather sign shady (or any in their prime feature back) and get the first qb for about 10-15m per year for the pair or Bradford and Barkley for 20-25m per year or cousins and Barkley for 35+ per year

Though please baby Jesus don’t let them create long term dead cap issues for RB with a ton of miles that will be 30 before camp. can and should are very different things here for that player. You want to target guys that you fully expect to fulfill their contract if restructuring May as well always push it later. You can rollover any unused. Essentially if you can be disciplined with your credit card it can give you flexibility, but if you are reckless you can get into trouble.

I doubt that’s the incentive... I’ll bet it’s tied to percentage of snaps and the sliding scale likely gets him there far lower than 100% not a big deal but just the more likely structure

Because they probably aren’t wildly different talents...

Other than disengaging I’m at a loss for how to respond to “just go over the cap”

Apparently a troll?

Have you seen an empty stadium late season? That’s the lack of enthusiasm that poor asset allocation creates. So, yes, many fans will stop cheering if we give out tons of dumb deals.

See we theres this thing called the salary cap. Each contract takes up a portion of it. So if you spend 20m on a guy that’s not very good, its a problem being able to afford guys that are actually contributing. I don’t care about the check, but the percentage of cap. If teams could only spend $1m for the roster I’d worry about $1000 here and there instead of a couple million here and there.

Add the dead Tyrod money and we still come out comfortably. I like it. Stars aligned nicely for us here. I don’t think he’s the guy but I do think he’s a fair shot at a fair price.

As these scenarios go it’s one of the more practical. If they love a young guy and are worried about either the shoulder or relationship it’s a good chance to make a move that might make sense for both sides The flip side is do you end up like the saints of the last decade by picking up a young qb that’s shown capable but is in a unique situation (both injury and ability to replace with a high pick). its a risk but you almost never acquire a slam dunk qb

If he thinks this is toms last year and that our potential top 5 guy starts immediately (more or less) that he sees a quicker path to the field there. Maybe.

If he thinks it’s toms last year it could be a nice spot for him