NoSaint

Other than Mario have we really been a sign superstars happy meal team?

They may be. And that gives them a lot of cash and adds to the picks. Which in theory would contribute to a fast turn, unless their GM messes it up or they miss at QB (harder to blame GM for that given the crapshoot)

The flip side is that unless you are a bills fan, you expect a team to be relevant within 1-2 offseasons. This acceptance of a 5 year plan to be relevant is uniquely our fan base. if Carr is actually a player, and you add brown plus 4 picks in the top 35 (including a top 5) plus free agency... there’s no reason to think they can’t be a playoff team (besides thinking they have poor leadership and Carr isn’t good - in which case brown as a target vs someone else makes little difference)

I’m pro-discussion with Brown. My point was that I think some posters were straying a bit into creating their own narratives with some of the comments.

Right. That seesaw is in every trade ever. A player has a value to a GM and that a combo of dollars and picks. That’s no insight into this situation beyond “GM doing his job” the part that got me was the narrative that with the increased cost he’d hurt the locker room. As if at his given contract he wouldn’t but at a raise he somehow has more oomph to impact it. I think that’s editorializing too much to create a storyline.

But if he knew brown would wreck the locker room why engage, talk contract and disengage. It seems there’s some storyline being created that may be slightly overstepping

How much extra money was the tipping point for losing the locker room? Like beane could guarantee 1.33 years and add 2m per but if he did 1.75 years and 4m extra the young guys would get the wrong message? heck, it’s basically Sammy Watkins contract. On some level if you want a passing game we are going to have to get used to seeing big numbers for guys that may have some warts on their resume. Why’d he even start the talks then?

Obviously true of any trade ever in the history of trades. You pay more for team favorable contracts and less for risky ones

It’s less than 2 years salary guaranteed. I know we haven’t paid a WR market rate lately so the numbers seem huge and scary but I’d rather do it for 3 years of brown than a much larger number for a guy that hasn’t been a proven #1. As as long as healthy, the guys not getting the paycheck if he doesn’t show

I very much hoped they didn’t think they were going to win by being cheap with choir boys. You need star players and you need to take some chances.

And even with that known quantity excellent vet you need that day two of the draft “reliably good and could be great” type of prospect. We are trying to fix one of the worst WR groups in recent memory and it’s going to take a lot (Plus talent at TE)

Oh John.... in that list, not including McKenzie as wr6 was your biggest worry? dont let this be a repeat of last off-seasons satisfaction with subpar talent and thinking everyone is going to play at or above their ceiling Agreed that this group needs a legit difference maker AND a high upside guy added.

Take that all day

Im not so much advocating for him. But you need to at least have an alternate plan to move the ball that more efficiently allocated the resources.

Since when was that a thing? i get the sentiment but scarcity drives price everywhere

More money is a pretty pointless distinction. the team that pays him will get him and both could do whatever their heart desires on that front.

We could pretty much any and every year, John.

You don’t say...

How would obj and Landry ever coexist on a team ?

I also think kromer is some sort of voodoo witch doctor of oline play. He gets more from less than any position coach I’ve followed and grabbing his guys worries me a bit as I’ve seen a few take big steps backwards without him

Which makes sense as lack of padded practice makes it a tough curve for young lineman

Also not realizing that being on the stage doesn’t mean you are necessarily the show. His job in these drills is to facilitate.

Picture a guy like dareus. Handed him big bucks before the window. Traded. Created big dead money that impeded spending.

I enjoy football and go to most/all saints home games any given season because of the fun of the event. Clearly it’s more fun when they win and there are players I enjoy. I still rocked Zubaz when the bills came to town. Does that bother you?

Unfortunately is it better if he gets that but decided not to do it til year 3?