NoSaint

Yea, I’d be curious to see the context of the quote fleshed out more but I assume it was simply a poorly phrased or poorly framed variation of “I grew up watching those guys, of course it’d be cool to wear the hometown jersey” every single guy here would think it’d be cool to play in Buffalo even if drafted elsewhere.

You’ve gotten angry in your age sir. I’m used to you just saying we have two elite players in response to stuff like that.

In addition to being trusted in big moments there’s the proverbial what if cook rolls an ankle. are we really thinking Ty Johnson and the 17th best back in the draft down the stretch? bingo

yea, using swift as a 1050 yards last year vs Ty Johnson’s 1050 in 6 years is definitely Ty, right?

I think where this thread is getting derailed is not seeing how cheap most of these guys will also be. the known name isn’t scary if coming in cheaper than Hines and harty etc…. And you may see household names in that price range Heck, if o on a dumpster dive salary deandre swift just played on a 1 year 1.7m for instance. That’s Ty Johnson money basically

the approach to the post Payton era has been just nonsensical. The only explanation is trying to preserve pride and avoid “it was just Sean and drew” comments I’ll echo, they have 40m on the books in the running back room if that’s where you map taysom. Plus they’ve locked themselves to carr for 2 more years and doubled down on Dennis Allen. It’s like they are praying all the bad choices just kind of work out and somehow they look good in the end

Yup - the issue isn’t doing it with Josh Allen. The problem is knowing carr isn’t the guy but restructuring him. now his cap hit for 2025 is 50m with 40m in dead money - for a guy you don’t want. he’s almost 30m in dead money to cut the following year now too they pushed chips in on a backup rb that’s going to cost them $5m this year. While taysom is a 15m player that’s basically a backup rb and wr4 at this point and kamara is a $19m hit. Think about that rb room at a $40m… is the problem that they restructure guys or that they created THAT situation?

the issue isn’t the overall strategy the issue is doing it with bad players to go sign more bad players

Because when Sean Payton left the front office and coaches didn’t want to take their medicine with a rebuild and made wild decisions that should be reserved for teams with at least a chance to compete. they continue To do so

you can’t pay top ten money for a backup and Knox will quickly be that. once Kincaid got here it became an entirely different issue than you are framing.

there’s a good chance he’s gone in 2 years - it needs to look better fast

that was his 2023 cap hit, but every buck he’s paid counts against the cap in the coming years still.

ummm I’m seeing 12.5m last year in cash flow to Knox between salary, roster bonuses, etc….

they were not likely in it if he walked, and Higgins might’ve took a different team out of it - so kind of the opposite?

my assumption in this claim wasn’t that the team was non guaranteeing payment of the bonus and then cutting the guy right after. You know. Because that’s not really a viable repeatable strategy the only reason worth discussing is because for some reason the team wanted to speed up the cap hit while keeping a player and that’s the opposite of helpful for them

Right, the future guarantee that no one would want to pay travelled with the player not an already paid sum that hasn’t been accounted for the inverse wouldn’t happen as it’s both worse for the player and the team

Dead money is generally money you’ve already paid but not yet taken a cap hit for. there’s no getting out of accounting for money you paid a guy. sometimes it’s a future guarantee but rarely - that you could negotiate technically

I think the more interesting conversation is if we stayed out, took someone else, and whether the saints snagged mahomes. I don’t think mahomes is a success had we taken him with that support (staff and roster) for multiple years before tooling up the offense

looking annually, doesn’t it essentially always come a good clip above preliminary estimates? I won’t say I track it religiously or anything but almost every year it feels like we see this late update and all the people saying “how in the world do certain teams spend like they do? this will be the year it catches up!” have to wait another year.

though they picked up a guy with the skill set to potentially be as good or better, if he does actually perform at projected potential could’ve been just about anyone. The dude has about as much leg talent and potential as anyone- why not take a cheap swing at him to see if you can steal a few years cheap

weird right. Almost like it was a pretty easy move to make

I’ll say I think he’s more in the 2 for 15 area as a goal and might not be that. wouldn’t be shocked if after musical chairs he ends up getting humbled if his expectations are 10+ and he ends up settling for even less than that (see cook, dalvin) while I get where your at quoting thing like “6 straight years over….” I think you are neglecting that many GMs will be of the mindset that “6 straight years of heavy usage” is actually a negative not a positive for his contract negotiation I’ve said repeatedly I don’t think he’s my own major target but when you look at subbing him in and pulling the dollars from Hines/harty it’s not terribly upsetting if Brady would rather grind a bit instead of having gadget guys cheap way to save Josh some hits, and defenses definitely wouldn’t look forward to playing the bills

to also be clear my point wasn’t that we’d avoid him for age, but that the nfl won’t be paying him for stats two years ago. the core of my post was asking you to define a number for what you actually think his contract looks like. I truly find that phrases like “mid tier rb money” can mean WILDLY different things to different posters. the 13-20th (ie +/-4 guys from mid point of top 32) highest paid backs on average contract value, for instance, is a range of 2.25m-4m. I suspect your number is substantially above that

define mid level rb salary- as I think that’s where a lot of the expectations diverge in this thread Also, what a heavily used back did at 28 doesn’t matter much at 30

though we may see him not get the big bucks and need a cheaper place to sit. likely above our target but could be far less than I think most are imagining