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because schoen is coming back here and wants to win - duh

so your defense of him is that they were likely losing either way?

he left his feet to get high enough it’s not like he aimed chest and the receiver unexpectedly came down it was textbook terrible. And not his first. I don’t think he misses time but he should be squarely on the radar for it going forward

Didn’t he have one in September? Any others this season? That’ll be the real tell on how harsh they go

In the same way we look for our own pga tour card after every big drive or putt… he’s got to do it week in and week out. It’s a start. the other half will be the unit too - bad hold today, a tipped kick or two…. it is a big moment. Hopefully a turning point but by itself, it’s still a high risk bunch.

meh. One kick doesn’t wipe a year and a half

yup. even if you think bass is an issue on his own - there are a variety of other issues across the units, plus how bass has been handled which is separate from bass himself

I’ll continue to echo - the only defense of bass would be making a move at STC. at some point the unit has too many issues

counter: you can’t bet on any other injuries second counter: what’s the actual bet, that he gets put into concussion protocol? You know, since medical records are not released and all

I would say you can go by more than that, right? You still have your own logic and reasoning and they you can’t find it.

often these odd numbers are a flat fine that’s seen percentage increases each year

if he heals well he may kick off 2025 week 1 healthy enough to play. the real question is if he gives any discount to get in a building early or if he goes absolute max dollars but maybe even misses a few weeks to get signed

yea, though I’d suspect some portion of those is breece getting short yardage and goal line touches that cook didn’t. Also against stacked boxes with junk quarterbacks. Also in his first games back from injury. Also with Hackett as OC honestly I don’t think the two are far off each other though. To those saying he has no vision and it’s just wide open lanes - we should scheme up some of them for cook I guess.

because we only see highlights and projections of high fantasy draft pick status? I think cook and hall are not widely spaced in this discussion. For 1 game on Sunday I probably take breece but not mad if I get cook. The next few years? I could see going either way depends on defining elite? he’s definitely a tier up from the just solid starters but not some generational talent either.

as general rankings or fantasy rankings? As those are very different topics. if we could swap any of them individually, or all 4 as a group, I’d have a hard time passing (ignoring any contract considerations, etc… just swapping jerseys on Sunday)

to be honest, who knows on this one… I haven’t found the succinct summation of how diggs operates. He does seem to care immensely about perception of him, but has a not particularly mature grasp on how to manage that perception. His day to day behavior and his public front he tries to put out are two different things. he’s plenty narcissistic- work hard play hard - and will clearly use people he wants to be well liked He wants to be the biggest star he wants to curate an image. he struggles dealing with challenges to that and does the childish things when either of those are challenged or the two aren’t aligned (being well liked and the star). He ensures plausible deniability to preserve the image but will be insufferable to be around. did he go because he was the most emotionally invested or because he was “supposed to go”? Who knows… just like he started the bad guy act being stuck as WR2 in Minnesota- sitting in the shadow of JA17, the chiefs and mahomes…. And then even his own brother a bit… his luster wore off in Buffalo and it was time for cryptic comments and behind the scenes agitation again.

Yea, looked acl at his age, demeanor and his position, might be (for all meaningful purposes) all she wrote for him. will be a tough guy to sign in the offseason. Probably goes the route of Odell from here with a couple long off seasons of speculation followed by minimal impact

I’ll go right on the fence and say I’d rather Henry be taking those hits than Josh taking them and wearing down… but overall I’d rather that $8-10m a year dynamic role player be speed than power based overall

you can be a terrible coach and have it show brightly even on a bad team his own preparation, attitude, etc… are still things that people in the building have infinitely more insight into than we do

I’ve waved this red flag a few times. I continue to think coaching/preparation is a big challenge - more than talent add in the wrong number of guys on the field issues (even just the ones we have caught)…. The design of the Hamlin fake… the unit being on different pages for 13 seconds… there’s been a good number of mishaps in addition to multiple tips this year and bass falling apart

I’ll die on the hill that if you step back, don’t try to find plays that are exceptions (ie bad calls) and don’t lean on announcers explaining things poorly (sometimes incorrectly)… it’s not nearly as confusing as most portray a lot of my least favorite recurring debates for fans are as simple as “Troy aikman only marginally understands a rule and is a poor communicator on top of that” creating millions of confused viewers through the years

you start with 3 on prime time week 1 and the narratives going to haunt you for a bit

if just following the rules and logic, a lot of it makes sense. if trying to extrapolate to every variation of a guy catching a ball can go down and how another guy watching that in real time will call it and thinking it will extrapolate across every play consistently - much more futile.

you need someone to keep the defense honest and force them to cover a huge expanse of grass suddenly the other team can’t just drift an extra defender into the box and jam up the area that shakir/kincaid work the best. it’s changes the calculus to have an elite QB and a true WR1. Defenders were getting to the chairs at the dinner table before the snap. Now they have to cover the whole field and our guys can all eat.

he will at least work out to keep the paychecks and the browns will pray for a chance to pick up a rookie who can hold down the job cheaply next year