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Against man they are very good. Against zone they lack a big body to attack the middle of the field.

No it's not implied......."will" is the future......."still" is the present and beyond........presently Diggs has never made a Pro Bowl in any capacity. Hopefully that's the case this year but also hopefully he will be too busy preparing for or recuperating from a Super Bowl win to participate instead.

Yeah he should be a top 15 guy for the next 3 seasons either way.........which isn't any terrible knock.........there is a lot of talent out there at WR..........but fans need to accept that the accolades are going to go to the guys who put up big numbers but also catch the pretty long balls and make the great RAC plays all season.

Rice, Reed and Sharpe were the 3 guys over that stretch. He played on the top rushing team in the NFL over that stretch so he got A LOT less targets than Sharpe but he was held in high regard for not only his numbers but his toughness and blocking. It wasn't a year to year thing........he was ALWAYS in the conversation during that run. This is all new for Diggs in year 6. As for Moulds.......in 1998 he was the best receiver for one season that the Bills have ever had. He was unreal. But he was a knucklehead and just kept stacking on muscle, especially in his legs, and lost speed and quickness and flexibility and his ypc numbers declined steadily until the point in the mid-90's he just could not get open to save his life. Everything was contested which exposed his so-so hands and he bitched at refs constantly and spit in opponents faces in frustration and blamed everyone else as he declined until his "I quit" game in Miami. Could he have put up better numbers with a better QB situation? Maybe......but he got FED the football more than Reed. But he wouldn't have been as good as Reed in the Bills K-Gun because he just wasn't as good of a receiver or football player in general. He sure as hell wasn't getting those 150, 160, 180 targets in the K-Gun like he did in the Rojo/Bledsoe era either. Finally.........Reed's skill and body aged much more gracefully.......at 33 he was still about where Moulds was at physically at 29.

To be clear I wasn't saying you were moving the goal posts.......everyone just has a different theory and none of them holds up to scrutiny..........ultimately, as I said and you apparently agree with, dead center of the field is him just being an enigma over anything else. Me saying he's closer to Landry than Julio on the performance spectrum is just based on their production. I don't think that much of Landry......low ypc is a big knock in my book. And I think Landry gets mostly ignored for honors because of it so I don't think I'm alone in that regard. Diggs is decidedly better than Landy IMO but has also not been a particularly explosive player over his career......his ypc is much closer to that of Landry than Julio and much of what he does best is the same kind of work that Landry excels at. I am inclined to pay Diggs too.......they aren't easy to find........but at the same time he's definitely not the peak AB/Hopkins/AJ Green/Julio type of #1 but he will get paid like that and he will need more help in the WR corps than guys like that.

Possibly wrt Thielen but missing the playoffs entirely in a covid year may increase the chance that a guy like Thielen ends up as a 5th alternate.........and fixed the other part for you.

Pat was a disruptive one gapper like a bigger Kyle Williams. He was a badass but the BS with he and selfless-Sam Adams fighting with each other week after week over who was going to have to play the double team role was annoying........and actually the early season Bills defense this year reminded me of that.........it was like nobody wanted to do the 1T job well because they all wanted to play 3T. Anyway......if they had never let Ted Washington go......he and Phat Pat probably would have ended up on the Bills wall of fame together.

And he anchored Dick Jauron's only winning team as a HC.........13-3 Bears and the #1 seed in the NFC. He was much maligned on TSW from 1998 on because he had been maybe the most dominant defensive player in the game in from 1996-1997.......a literal sideline to sideline 400# man who accumulated 152 tackles......... and then got paid and fell off to just the most impactful interior DL in the league for the rest of his contract. If Star Lotulelei were only half the player of a diminished New England Ted Washington........

Even Rob Johnsons internal clock was right twice a game.

Yes the article and ranking are based on stats. They need him to get them the ball to put up the stats.

Bryce Paup and Ted Washington..........in the same offseason..........that was unbelievable and those two signings totally transformed the identity of the team from offensive to defensive. Donahoe cutting Ted Washington was the key personnel loss that brought the Bills winning culture to instant ruin and cast them adrift with all the other rudderless franchises.

Because Brady is diminished. His numbers look good because they are absolutely loaded to the gills with studs on offense but he is not talented enough any longer to take advantage of all that field stretching and big play talent they have. Bills situation is the opposite.........Allen is elevating his WR corps with a great season to this point.

White was great but the 46 defense for a DE was like being a WR in the run and shoot.........the design produced numbers.......in that case sacks and TFL's........but at the risk of big plays. White also got sack-fat off of a lot of really poor right tackles while Bruce was playing against a lot of stud LT's. His finest moment as a pro was his 2 sacks against the lowly Max Lane...basically a guard playing out of position......in the Super Bowl. That was about the equivalent of when Bruce lined up against Everett McIver and Bruce Matthews at LT..........he put up 9 sacks and knocked Boomer Esiason out cold over those two games. When Reggie had to go up against Erik Williams of the Cowboys........the only real top-LT-quality comp at RT........he was obliterated...........he put up a no tackle, no sack game against him in the playoffs..........so he would have had his hands full against the league's better LT's like Richmond Webb and Bruce Armstrong in the AFC East. That's not to say White wasn't one of the best ever..........but the reality is that he also had every advantage a DE could ever ask for..........his circumstances permitted him to max out his production. Bruce played in a "read and react" 34 defense. He rushed the passer a fair share but that defense just wasn't designed to wreak havoc at the expense of the back end. When he finally got to play in a 4-3, he was already very old and washed up, but he immediately put up a 10 sack season. And while with Washington he was basically the only guy in the league who was giving Orlando Pace and Walter Jones fits in pass pro. Bruce is the all time sack leader but he was also the best, full sized defensive lineman pass rusher ever. There have been a lot of great pass rushers in the past 20 years but they haven't made one quite like him and his rare combination of size, speed, quickness, technique, power, long arms and that ground hugging bend since.

Not top 15. Thielen is more like a top 30 WR.........he's in the mid 20's in receptions and yardage and around 50th in ypc. I think the goal posts wrt Diggs production shortfalls in Minnesota are on roller skates............it's either Cousins can't throw the deep ball to him or Cousins just throws the deep ball to him or Thielen gets the benefit of Diggs coverage yet when he leaves a rookie literally replicates his best production and out produces Thielen.............I think the reality is that Diggs was enigmatic in Minnesota. Love him, excellent player but I think if he gets $20M per we will always be left wanting him to be more like Julio Jones when he's much closer to Jarvis Landry on the performance spectrum.

Diggs is currently leading the league in receptions and yards.........that's not "every category"........TD's, ypc, yards per game, catch %, drops........there are many more where he ranks lower or far lower. Because the Bills haven't had their bye yet Diggs has played more games than guys like DeAndre Hopkins and DK Metcalf who closely trail him in those categories but have higher per game production..........so while Diggs is having a great year he's not on pace to lead the league in those statistics. And keep in mind in Stefon Diggs previous best season(last year) he ranked 43rd in the NFL in receptions and 17th in yardage..........so nowhere near the top of the league. Not even remotely close. So what I am saying is if he is going to reach Reed's level.........and then exceed it relative to his peers.........then he is starting pretty late because he's never been as highly regarded as Reed was in his 7 year prime. There were a few seasons where it was pretty much between Reed and Rice as the two best in the NFL. Perhaps your memory fails you or you just don't know but Andre Reed was a legit great. Diggs has been a very good WR but if he is starting an 8 year run to exceed Reeds.........that will be an astonishing. That's your expectation........you are entitled to believe that.........but I think a lot of that is your lack of perspective on their two careers to this point.

1) You are disagreeing with something I didn't say. Franchise altering moves to me are the kind of things that get stadiums built. That begins and ends with the QB. I could turn around and say "we disagree because I think Josh Allen was going to be good this year with or without Diggs" but that might be like a straw man argument or something. 2) They have bigger concerns........but regardless of how the fans *feel*....... lost WR production is not one of them..........Jefferson is on pace to exceed the production of Diggs best season(last year).

They won't agree because Reed was widely regarded as one of the 3 best receivers in the entire NFL for 7 seasons from 1988-1994........and his chief competition was the GOAT. Diggs absolutely does not stack up like that against his peers.............he hasn't even gotten them to throw him a pro bowl nod yet........meanwhile his former running mate Thielen has two.

I know you were really not that impressed at all with Jefferson and saw him as only a slot receiver going into the draft............I remember because I thought it was a bold take.........so I am not surprised that his explosive season hasn't yet changed that opinion. But wasn't Diggs that guy before his aberrant season last year? 3 years ago he averaged 10 ypc over the course of 100 catches........which from what I can find looks like the lowest ypc ever for a 1,000 yard wide receiver. Yes, lower than the most dink and dunkest 1,000 yard seasons of Welker or Edelman. So while I do strongly agree that a slot receiver type shouldn't be considered among the league's best "wide receivers".............I think the lack of high per play production is actually a knock on Diggs career as well. This will only be his 3rd 1,000 yard season in 6 because he's not been a lid lifter on the outside. The bar is much higher than that for the best WR's in the NFL.

I like Diggs a lot but we will revisit those trade options when Diggs agrees to end his holdout for his new deal $18-22M per year, cap crushing deal next August. I had to stop at comparing Jefferson's $13.5M total contract value to Diggs $14.5M 2020 money because it's going WAY north of that very shortly.

Oh I agree he has been a good addition and the outlook for the Bills franchise is very good because Josh Allen >>>>>>>>>Kirk Cousins. But yeah, Jefferson is proving to be one of the most impressive WR's in an amazing class of them.............as a rookie he is on pace for a better season than Diggs ever had in Minnesota.......and Jefferson will cost less over the 4 year term of his rookie deal than Diggs is costing the Bills just this season! That's what I am talking about. Not how much better Josh Allen is than what the Vikings have at QB.

@GunnerBill and @thebandit27 do y'all remember me not wanting them Bills to draft DK Metcalf?

Diggs is just 30th in receiving TD's and 51st in ypc though. And while he's having a great year........the Bills have also played 9 games........DK Metcalf is averaging almost 10 yards more per game more but the Rain City B*tch Pigeons have only played 8 games so far. Jefferson is getting love because of explosiveness and efficiency........which are areas where Diggs scores decidedly lower. Jefferson is 2nd in the NFL in ypc(18.4) and 15th in total receiving yards.......thru 8 games........ and has a significantly higher completion %(rec/tgs) than Diggs, who has had a lot of drops. Lotta' big # receivers this year so lotta' competition for accolades.

Usually when trading disgruntled, highly paid vets one side appears to swindle the other initially.........then it turns out one-sided for at least one of the parties.......so gotta' disagree. If Beane had made the Vikings end of the deal the topic here would be "Great deal........or Best Deal Ever". We know this because that was the sentiment from many here after the Bills traded the Mahomes pick for a coupla' ones. Ultimately it's just a swap of good WR's.........nothing franchise altering.........no real loser in the trade but the outlook for Minnesota's end is brighter and a lot cheaper.

No contract with guarantees........just basically another roster invite like he has been getting. Gotta' open up a roster spot for a deep threat to supplement and eventually replace John Brown. With Brown hobbled this year they have really lacked that 9 route specialist. Gabe Davis hopefully turns into a very good #2 WR but he doesn't have the deep speed to be that guy........they've tried and he can't get the CB off his hip. That deep guy doesn't have to be a #1 or #2 but preferably he is fast and at least over 6' and can track the deep ball.

Much deserved. Diggs has been a boost to Allen but he isn't exactly working with elite playmakers......there's no Tyreke Hill or Travis Kelce type on this roster. He's a big dude throwing to a lot of small targets and putting the ball in position for them to succeed......its been an amazing transformation.