BADOLBILZ

Yeah being lunchpail gets you a lot of paid vacation with a certain portion of the fanbase.

You literally called the 2003 Bills offense we are discussing the "run and shoot". I've seen some dumb things said on this board but that might take the cake. Again.......they went out and got Mark Campbell and Sam Gash to play 21 personnel as their primary and they ran a lot of stuff that looked like what we saw yesterday. And by midseason fans were madder than Buddy Ryan when Gilbride WAS running the R&S.

Yep......if they score a lot of points defenses will adjust to what they are doing. 17 points ain't many..........that's not gonna do it. They averaged 17 last year and finished with a -105 point differential.

2003 Bills offense was run and shoot? Idiotic comment on your part. They went out and got Mark Campbell and Sam Gash to try to create a balanced attack that they could use just like people here are describing.........21 personnel. When Gilbride was OC of the Giants did he also operate a "run and shoot"?

True I forgot about Jerome. It wasn't fundamentally integral to his system success and it won't be a key to a good running game here now either. I'm okay with them employing a fullback sometimes but if Josh Allen plays well he will start to dictate terms and I expect he will want an actual matchup winner.

I remember way back in the olden days of 2015 and 2016 when the Bills running game was the best in the league by a lot and they did it without a fullback! That must've been sacrilege to you not having a fullback on the field.

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If I were a Beane I'd take that single-move double-mover Robby Anderson off his hands for a 6th.

Why? Don't want to get caught with a LB out in coverage against a......fullback? Really worried about that? And most defenses are fine with making you go 12 plays to get a score........which is the way it was going for 3 quarters before Moseley got hurt. I suspect(and hope) that the game plan will change significantly from week to week and we won't see a fullback playing the Z position.

Things kinda' went south with his more wide open attack late in 2002. The 2002 Bills were all about passing personnel.........including Centers and Riemersma neither of whom could block. Gilbride(or perhaps Greggo/Donahoe) determined that part of it was that Centers wasn't enough of a threat to block or run the ball to be able to force defenses into favorable personnel advantages. Outsmarted themselves. I mean honestly........how often do you expect teams to end up with one of their corners out wide against the fullback again after what the Bills put on tape Sunday? And it didn't even really work THEN.

Not really new.......Kevin Gilbride tried to do the same thing here in 2003. Worked a little bit........until it didn't. Maybe Allen can do a better TB12 impersonation than Bledsoe.

He scored his 3rd TD mid 3rd quarter to put the Chiefs up 37-13.........at which point the competitive portion of the game was over and they ended up running the ball 30 times. Big difference between that and the game where they stopped throwing to him in KC while with Buffalo.

Any relation to Lenny? And yes Sammy or "boo boo foot" as his detractors call him is pretty great when he's healthy and hopefully he's turned that corner. He'll be a free agent after 2020 ya' know.

Yeah it was common knowledge.......we were a little chapped about that on TSW.........thought we were destined for the playoffs after the fast start.

True.......and true. DK Metcalf 1 Cody 0 DK 4 grabs for 89 yards and drew a PI in end zone to set up a 1 yard TD I expect Ford to become a good guard and the odds might even be in his favor of having a longer career............just much prefer the playmaking DK there and like that option a lot better on the outside instead of Zay. Still totally perplexed by wtf is going on with Robert Foster. The toe?

When you throw the ball 19 straight times you better be getting good yardage plays because you are exposing yourself to more risk...........fittingly the most significant play of the half was a short pass that was deflected into a pick six. Those 2015 and 2016 teams lead the NFL in big plays and were also incredible at avoiding turnovers. People think that you can't have big plays without turnovers but if you don't have a remarkably accurate, consistent passer and the right personnel then a short passing game can put you in position to make a lot of mistakes.

Great because their passing attack is already going to be a challenge. Donkey Dalton might've thrown for 500 yards if AJ was in that lineup also yesterday.

I honestly expected the Bills to lay a complete beat down on the Jets. Gase reminds me a lot of Todd Haley and the Bills went into KC in 2011 on opening day and stunned everyone by obliterating Haley's burgeoning sh*t show. Meanwhile I am listening to NFL observers all week saying that the Jets are going to be a "really good team"? With that OL and those CB's? Forget the Gase factor......it's hard to win with a glaring weakness on both sides of the ball.

Just a big fan of big plays..........give those 2015 and 2016 teams this fundamentally sound(but no more talented) defense and they both easily win 10+ games.

Correct and that's not far off of the approximate 100 big plays that the Bills had when they lead the NFL in that category in both 2015 and 2016. They came in bunches late in the game when they got more aggressive (and when Moseley was out). Early in the game they were settling for less and what the OP is saying happened.........they couldn't sustain. Said it many times but the Bills themselves run a defense that tries to force short throws because they know that long drives are hard to sustain. There needs to be a middle ground between what they were trying to do early in the game and later when they were down by two scores.

You look clever when you trick a defense into putting one of their better cover men on your fullback split wide and you pick up 10 yards and move the sticks. But you look much dumber when you don't get the matchup you hoped........throw a long horizontal out pass from the far hash to the fullback........and it turns into a pick 6. Taking what the defense gives you sounds great but sometimes what the defense is giving you is a short pass to a 165# slot receiver in front of the defense's best player. Sometimes it's just better to throw it up to your best receiver and let him adjust to the throw and make a play and win the game for you.

He's basically the 11th best player on the offense every time he steps on the field..........I didn't put up much complaint about him making the roster because I knew he was going to and because they didn't have to cut a quality player because of him............IMO you made a thread about something that's a high end "meh" pseudo-football-intellectual observation. "See DiMarco is important to what Dabol wants to do" ignoring the fact that the offense failed miserably for 3 quarters and turned the ball over 4 times. You are kinda' missing the obvious point that it very much remains to be seen if this offense is even any good. It's not like the Bills of the 2000's haven't been one of the few teams that has loved the fullback position and in all those cases it proved a mistake to emphasize that position.......including McD's first OC........who sacked the league's best running game.

so wait.........someone takes YOU seriously? For what exactly?

Did you point out that McD was 3-1 versus Gase or did you sit by meekly and just NOW come out with your wrath? Belichick owns McD like no Bills HC since he came to NE but anyone who didn't expect him to beat Gase again wasn't looking at the facts.........if Josh gets a little better grip on that throw to Clay last year we would have been talking about about McD being 4-0 versus Gase coming into that game.

GTFOH The team couldn't get near the end zone for 3 quarters with that dink and dunk ***** and you are celebrating the return of Sam Gash split wide catching a pass that went 25 yards horizontally for 1 ***** yard gain? Let me know when that screen game comes together and starts producing TD's..........in the meantime I guess we will have to settle for the 4th quarter being when they do what Allen does best......push the ball downfield and make plays with his legs when defenses are backed off trying to prevent the long ball. I'm not saying that LEARNING how to run an offense like Brady isn't good for Allen in the long run.........but there is a reason that McD runs a defense that tries to force teams to make lot's of short throws.......because for most passers it's just more opportunity for mistakes. And yeah the special breed DiMarco can make not-so-athletic mistakes.......like the ball that went off his face for an interception in the Peterman 5 pic game. He certainly shouldn't be catching passes outside the hashes unless it's a "gotcha" play like a wheel route. The first one of those deep outs that he fails to come back for and ends up turning into a pick-six nobody is ever going to want to see him get a ball thrown his way again.