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Yeah this is where the relationship with Gaine and Clowney/agent comes into play. We've talked a lot about Clowney in other threads here but I think he'd fit in here too. He's from a very small town and is kinda' low key off the field.

Yeah he brings a physical element they otherwise lack at DE and even though he's not been a good one-on-one rusher he has always been an opportunistic vulture if others can force the chaos. On paper Shaq loses snaps to Clowney but since Clowney can be moved all over I think Shaq gets more opportunity to make plays in a defense with Clowney.

In his year and half in Buffalo Kelvin Benjamin cost them almost exactly what the Watkins 5th year option cost and was nearly worthless..........he might as well have had a broken foot. And they gave up a pick that was less than a full round later than what the Rams gave the Bills for Watkins. Their culture somehow survived KB I think they might have gotten by with Ol' Sammy. Whether some people want to admit it or not the decisions to not pick up his option and then to trade him were both poor ones.

I don't think anything starting with a 4th gets it done..........that's Reggie Ragnuts level compensation. After watching Ford struggle a bit to get his feet moving in pass pro at guard against the Colts I don't want to give up Nsekhe and have Ford at tackle without a net........... and I don't know that the Texans would even value Nsekhe for a draft pick. Did they bid on him in UFA?

Yeah I'd definitely part with either but I'd rather give up the 5th round pick and go for it this year.........Clowney is a DE but I would move him around so I would like Murphy and Shaq in the rotation. Johnson looks like he might be a Shaq replacement option next year but Shaq looks primed to have a good year.

I agree. The big change in the NBA in recent years is the idea of "position-less" basketball...........and the Bills would have the potential to do something similar on defense adding a player like Clowney to a defense that includes unusual specimens like Edmunds and Oliver and even a guy like Lorenzo Alexander. Clowney a tremendous run defender and a very sudden inside pressure guy too which is nice with the Patriots being a team that can run the football and having a QB who is most vulnerable to inside pressure. Ideally you get a more efficient QB hitter for $20M per year but Clowney is a potentially great fit for how they play defense and those sure-thing-sack-a-game Khalil Mack's aren't falling out of the sky and definitely not for reasonable compensation in trade.

What about a 3rd and a 5th? I'm serious. I think he kinda' has to go for another player if traded now for the Texans to not end up with egg on their face. Agree that teams not trading much in draft pick compensation for a guy who is a UFA after season and holding out. Gaine would give the Bills a huge edge though if he was trying to get Clowney extended though. Clowney has a lot of say where he goes.........he can just show up mid-season and still get his year of service if he doesn't like where he is traded.

Don't complain...........if Big Stein wasn't complicit in collusion in the 80's then early 90''s Blue Jays never win a WS. Broadly, not bidding on coveted pitchers cost the Yankees a lot of top pitching options. Specifically the Yankees refusing to bid on Jack Morris multiple times is what fueled the investigation into collusion and the 1992 Jays don't win without Jack.

Not picking up his option was just dumb.............all that did was de-value the player in trade. For some reason people can't understand that they weren't going to be obligated to give Watkins a multi-year deal for several years.

Yeah but it was also like a precursor to "analytics" in that they were ahead of the curve in the on-base phenomenon. The Yankees current string of consecutive winning seasons is by far the longest in the big 4 north american pro sports teams and is soon to be a ridiculous 27 straight........and is second only in MLB history to their own 39 straight winning seasons from 1926-1964. Being a Bills and Yankees fan is about as big of a contrast as you can have.

He prefers "Dropzone" Jones. Says the hands and eyes are good.

1) Don't even go down the suspension path: On Tuesday, anyone who didn’t already know of Pegula’s interest in the athlete representation business learned about it after he announced he had acquired Atlanta-based France AllPro Athlete Management, the agency of prominent NFL player agent Todd France. Guess who the agent who negotiated that unprecedented contract without language protecting the team against suspension was.? Dareus not playing well is on him..........but he had earned the contract with first team All Pro play.........the extraordinary language or lack thereof is on a couple of long time business pals. 2) Gilmore had quit in him as a Bill.........most of his big plays allowed were at the end of plays that he had otherwise well covered but let up on....... and he wouldn't wrap up a ball carrier to save his life. Woods was a walking tantrum for the first couple years as a Bill. Own worst enemy. That's really where the "Bob Woods is F'in crazy" stuff began.

I understand how the salary cap works bud. But here is something you apparently can't get your head around...................because you can roll forward all unused cap dollars at the end of a league year...............cap room spent on a player who is not playing that year is NOT "cap room saved" by waiting to cut them next year. You spend $10M of cap space this year that's $10M you can't roll forward. Understand? It's ultimately very simple........they are on the hook for AT LEAST Morse's guaranteed money.......$26.125M. I mean do you or do you NOT understand what "guaranteed" means? A minimum of $26.125M in cap space is allotted to Mitch Morse over the next two or three cap years depending on how the choose to account for it. That's just the way it is. Whether you call it "dead" money or not is just semantics if the player doesn't play. You don't get "salary cap credits" back for a player not being on the roster(aka "dead") as opposed to him being on IR or inactive on gamedays. It's cap room spent for no play either way. Now before anyone assumes I am writing Morse off for 2019 that is not the case.............I am just trying to explain how the salary cap ACTUALLY works to someone who clearly does not.

Yeah I get taking the risk on Morse.........huge wad of found money in pocket.......immediate need......talented player........... but you are ultimately judged by your results. I mean people pan Whaley on here for Watkins but if Watkins had remained healthy and was handled properly he's a top 5 WR in the NFL. If if's and buts were Lombardi's and Hunt's.........know what I'm sayin'?

That's not always true either. Sometimes a lower bid is accepted for other reasons and sometimes the team has a franchise tag option and doesn't use it. I can't recall if the Chiefs had the tag at their disposal on Morse but they let him walk because they had already played a good portion of the season with success without Morse. Not the first very good center the Chiefs have let leave in FA under Reid. I think he is comfortable evaluating and replacing them. McBeane's OL choices hadn't been sharp so they probably felt compelled to take more risk for a guy they KNEW could play if healthy. That emoji looks like it should be in concussion protocol.

Oh both are liabilities. Which one is worse depends on the nature. Morse situation is career threatening. Dareus' floor was more like "well I guess we just have an elite run stuffer instead of a first team All Pro DT". Players change and mature it happens all the time. Look at the attitudes of Dareus, Gilmore, Woods and Watkins since they left. Shady is another example. After a humbling debut as a Bill he started owning up to his problems/choices and became a team leader. Too bad that maturity and elite talent only intersected for one season.

Dude you can downplay it all you want...........but if Morse doesn't play then from a cap perspective moving on is basically the equivalent of cutting Dareus all over again. Dareus dead cap was $24M (which counted his salary for games played for the Bills in 2017). Morse has $26M+ in guarantees. There was MUCH writhing and shaming of the previous GM on here over the Dareus cap hit. Beane has done some easy-out contracts(for mostly middling personnel) but the Morse and Lotulelei ones aren't low impact to bale from.

They brought in Long when they needed 2 guards AND a center. I am guessing they wouldn't have brought him in at all if they knew they were going to get all the players they did in UFA plus Ford in the draft. I give credit to Beane for not giving up the pursuit of better. Spain might prove to be the best of the group and they could easily have been "out" on him after all the players they added.

I think they can keep McKenzie and still only have 5 but it involves trading Zay.........and Allen still really likes throwing to Zay because he gets open so that *probably* won't happen. If they keep 6 it seems pretty easy. The McKenzie/Ray Ray battle is intense but ultimately probably a yawner of a decision between 2 gadget guys. Like you I prefer McKenzie but I have seen what they like about Ray Ray in practice. It just wasn't there in the game. I don't think anyone picks up Ray Ray or Cam Phillips or Sills or Duke Williams if they are cut at the end of August. Everyone already has their version of those guys if not better. Bills still have one of the lesser WR corps in the NFL they might find a better #6 WR themselves on the waiver wire before week 1.

I love me some John Brown......it hurt when he chose Baltimore in 2018......... but as your clear cut #1 WR?? That's not enough, IMO. With the Cardinals they had Larry Fitzgerald and a bunch of guys(including Brown) who could be #2's on a poor WR corps and if a couple of them stepped up then it worked great for their QB...........that's the kind of setup you want with a young QB. If Allen evolves into a great QB early it won't matter that they don't have a stud #1 but that's a lot to expect of him in year 2.

You really need to change your avatar to the "ancient aliens" dude.............you can build a totally implausible narrative with almost no material with the best of em'. I ain't mad, it's entertaining at least.

Name one that was good BEFORE it was moved downtown and then sucked. OP is fine right now and maybe for the next 5 or even 10 years.........but long term there is a trade-off if the Bills want to compete enough financially for it to be worthwhile for the large markets to continue to share revenue with them. A modern, downtown environment would create the opportunity for more revenue.

I don't think Shady liked Ray Ray pointing out his grays.

Nobody loves the tailgate more than I but I don't think a downtown stadium will take the party out of Bills fans. Tailgating is about the people and it's what we do. There might be a few more limitations......no open flames etc......but Bills fans take the tailgate with them everywhere right now so I have a hard time thinking it would ever turn into a "show up an hour before the game" or "just tailgate with a veggie tray with the people in your car" environment.

What? None? Particularly with a new acquisition on the OL. The OL success is very much about cohesion and communication and that is best built thru live football. No way McProcess sees this absence as a positive. *At best* it's an unfortunate but necessitated inconvenience.