BADOLBILZ

In stats.........22 and then a drop-off to a field of 17, 16, 15, 14.........is the definition of "inordinate". 30% more Panthers than the next closest team isn't a thing. Mmmkay. As for your last point..........again.........no perspective to make it relevant. Like how many of the "17 former Jets" were "competing with camp trash" etc.. Show your work if it matters to you. In a league where the average player career is less than 3 seasons...........it's not "nothing" that 4 offseasons into their regime they signed 5 of their former Carolina players to play significant roles and tried to sign another in Greg Olsen. If they had actually gotten Olsen they could have easily been an opt-in(Lotulelei) and an injury(Norman) away from having 6 of THEIR former Panthers players in the same starting lineups for much of the season(Williams, Klein and Addison) and also had Butler and Marlowe playing 37% and 21% of the snaps............that's A LOT of playing time coming from players from one other team.........it's not a bunch of camp fodder as you'd like to present it. Well I guess we know how Fuller was staying on the field then.

Well he had Adam Thielen opposite him the season that he had 1,000 yards on 100 grabs..........that 10.0 ypc was the lowest such number EVER by a WR that reached 1,000 yards. He's been much more of a possession guy than an explosive play guy in his career...........last year was the sole exception.............this year he is back down at 11.8 ypc. He is a kind of WR1.........but with an arm like Allen in tow you really want a big time field stretcher. And to take full advantage of Diggs I think you NEED it.

That's box score scouting.........one of his catches was a jump ball that only gets thrown because it was a free play and another was a TD pass from Beasley on a trick play..........he wasn't that involved in the regular passing offense. When Brown isn't in there they struggle to create space for Diggs and Beasley.............not struggle like 2017 or 2018...........but struggle relative to what it's going to take to be a real top 5 scoring offense.........as they've often look when Brown has been healthy enough to play. Right now they are 11th in the NFL in scoring...........decent............but not where you should endeavor to be with a talent like Allen or where you want to be when your defense isn't dominant.

Yet another rough passing day without John Brown. Speed is that critical. With Brown having 3 injuries and going into the final year of his contract at age 31 in 2021 a very fast deep threat is probably need #1 for this team in the offseason. They haven't been able to mask the deficiency when they don't have that deep threat. Diggs is a WR1 but he's unfortunately not that electric guy who can either catch a short pass and elude tackles or get over the top with any consistency.

It's arbitrary because there is both zero perspective because you don't compare to other teams and because it's simply full of IRRELEVANT data points. Every team is going to have bunches of new players with little or no actual NFL game experience so including those just serves to create a low number with no comparison to that of other teams. The only broad set of data that can begin to provide real perspective is the amount of players McBeane has signed or traded for with at least one year of NFL experience in that 4 year period. Then if you want to PROVE that figure is small.........you HAVE to show us how it relates to other teams over that period.........otherwise it's just a number without any perspective. We all KNOW that the Bills under McBeane have targeted and signed an inordinate amount of former Panthers. Why anyone would argue that is bizarre. And I forgot Vernon Butler in the 2020 equation too. You are the one defending a absolutely invalid position.........if you want to be a statistician do it right.

First of all what does your baloney 6.5% number actually mean? You have no idea because you don't know how it compares to other teams. What if no other team had even more than 2% of their "unique players" come from a "same NFL organization" over that period? Would the fact that the Bills had "325% more" same team pickups mean anything? With 31 other NFL teams + 450 college programs(130 in division 1 alone) and multiple other pro football leagues you are talking about well over 500 potential draw points..........so it's possible that 6.5% is a sky high figure using that data. Point is.......you have created ZERO perspective with your arbitrarily created data. Start with a relevant field.............like the amount of players McBeane has signed or traded for with at least one year of NFL experience in that 4 year period. How many of those were with McBeane in Carolina? Players who were drafted by the team each year or signed as UDFA's or who had kicked around on practice squads in the NFL or came from the CFL etc.. but never earned an actual season of NFL experience as defined by the CBA are irrelevant to the conversation.........every team drafts and signs a bunch of new to the league players every year.........including players that have had no opportunity to play with McBeane in the pros just waters down your data. In their 4th offseason since leaving Carolina they targeted Greg Olsen, AJ Klein, Daryl Williams and Mario Addison........they signed 3 and they all were expected to compete for starting jobs. Trying to downplay their inordinate interest in players who they worked with is just ignorant. Was Andy Reid still signing this many players from Philly 4 years in at KC? No. It's unusual.

It still amazes me the people who adored SJ13 with the Bills...........guys like him are why you hire coaches to change culture. A little irreverence is fine but he was one of the Bills best players and laziest workers and was willing to hurt the team if it helped him mug for the camera..........and much of his success was due to not running the routes that the play called for. Just an unbelievably selfish player in a sport where 11 guys gotta' be working for the same goal every play to expect success.

No........they were REALLY going at it. Tyson had his usual scary missed kill shots and he was bouncing around in the ring. He looked in a lot better shape than Jones but maybe that's all Jones can do at his 51. And Tyson did thump Jones in the face good a few times but Jones was able to get away and recover. Jones was hugging Tyson as much as possible.....like Holyfield used to........so he got pounded in the ribs for 8 rounds. Jones was in a lot of pain, holding his guts in and exhausted after the fight. Tyson had barely broken a sweat........he was ecstatic at how it turned out and said he was going to do it again and Roy should too but Roy wasn't so sure at that moment. It was fun and it wasn't an exhibition it was a real fight. And the fight before that was entertaining too. Nate Robinson the slam dunk champion from the Knicks against this internet punk Luke Paul. Paul came in to Kurtis Blows' basketball........mocking Robinson.....quite hilarious.......and then proceeded to knock him down 3 times in a round and a half and the last time he was out like a light. Some exhibition! We didn't have to pay for it but it was definitely worth the $50 if you had a bunch of people there.

Like he was fighting for his life.........gassed.........and then like a pile of mashed potatoes after Tyson worked his body for 16 minutes. But he was able to get a few ineffectual jabs in and win some points from one of the judges.......he's still a tactician..........he tried to hang on Tyson and tie him up but it was actually still a very entertaining fight. He's going to wish he was dead tomorrow though.

They had been trying to acquire a WR1 for two years...........they tried to swing deals for Antonio Brown and AJ Green as well.............yeah it was an absolute necessity to give their young QB that kind of player. And I don't remember a lot of criticism of the move at all..........just that they paid a lot more than Arizona paid for Hopkins. "A truly franchise altering move"? Bryce Paup actually won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in his first year with Buffalo........was that "franchise altering"? Very few personnel decisions are.........and they are almost exclusively QB's.

1) Now Kelvin Benjamin wasn't even acquired? Let alone traded for and paid $8.5M for that abysmal 2018 partial season? 2) You are counting some of the same players multiple times in your "360 players" math. Jordan Poyer isn't a different player every year........Shaq was with McD for 3 years he doesn't count 3 times. 3) Bad counting / bad counting = 5%(not really, even that was wrong) Look.......you protest too much...........McBeane have taken shots on A LOT of former Carolina Panthers..........it's a fact.

#2 by a lot SJ13 angrily blaming the father, son and holy ghost for making him drop the ball just made it a hat on a hat of Billsy. SJ13 was a total screwball...........I am glad Bills fans don't have to have a nutcase like that as a face of the franchise type anymore.

Yeah I am on the fence about how much the shoulder affected his play........could be, but I think it was more the health of Smoke and defensive adjustments made by other teams. But they've seen it now and Gabe Davis has some more games under his belt and hopefully the TE's are ready to step up more and the defense is playing better now IMO. It SHOULD be a better situation than going into the KC and TN games........but I am admittedly biased regarding the value of that big play speed at WR. If they get in a shootout not having Brown probably hurts a lot............but at least not putting Brown on IR until the day before the game probably prevented the Chargers from really game planning to squat on that Bills passing game more.

That would be awesome. Or a home game.

And I thought his regular season was pretty much over immediately after that injury in Arizona.........and seeing as we aren't allowed to have information until the last minute with this regime.......I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop. I don't expect him back until the New England game.........it's a 4-6 week injury but for a small WR it should be AT LEAST a 6 week injury if you expect them to get their full speed and quickness back. This puts them back closer to they were personnel-wise in their October slide so should be a good test to see if Allen/Daboll are able to adapt better this time.

No, not really. It was one of the greatest SB upsets ever for a reason. And they weren't that much more individually talented thru the next 2 SB wins either. Not sure how Bills fans could mis-remember that...........we even had Marv Levy come in here and sign 15 journeyman free agents openly admitting that the thought process was that he felt Dick Jauron could replicate that Patriot personnel synergy. Every team has some good players though........which is why it's a non-point to say good coaches need good players.

Which is a nothing point. With 53 man rosters and the system designed to distribute talent fairly evenly good players are everywhere. Yet Joe Gibbs wins SB's with Doug Williams and Mark Rypien and Parcells wins one with Jeff Hostetler........and Belichick wins one with a second year QB who wasn't very good......great coaching is often very evident on it's own merit. And it's a joke to keep suggesting that Belichick *needed* Brady to not finish as anything but a career losing HC...........the FIRST SB they won Brady was a dink and dunk game manager who threw a grand total of 1 TD in the entire playoff and SB run.

So you are saying that when choosing among fringe roster players with 3 years or less of NFL experience that the 4th year Bills GM and HC are choosing less Carolina players? Well I guess you've proven that they don't have an inordinate amount of focus on players that were with them in Carolina. They were on more of their former Carolina players than ever this past offseason. And of the 20 or so former Carolina free agents they've tried since coming to Buffalo only Daryl Williams and Dean Marlowe have proven worth the investment so far. Personally I am not a huge detractor of trying to collect players that are familiar with their system...........it makes sense on the surface but it hasn't been a very lucrative endeavor trying to tap into their old Carolina pipeline.

It is important to note though, that their coaching trees have not yielded much success outside of their own systems. They are genius level coaches themselves and it turns out that they've mostly surrounded themselves with limited minds because that's all they've needed. Working for them opens doors but the results have not been good.

Daboll could turn out to be a very good HC. As we should know by now there is only a loose correlation between success as an coordinator and a HC. Chan Gailey is a prime example. He was a natural........he didn't need to fail at any OC jobs before he was good at it let alone 3x like Daboll. But he wasn't the right kind of personality to run a football program/organization. Daboll could very well be. Most of the positive feedback about him is more about his people skills than his football acumen. And sometimes someone who has actually MADE all of the mistakes is better suited to hire people who won't. It's an axiom in US sports that the less gifted players make the better coaches........but I think that in coordinating positions raw talent is probably the most important asset.

Yeah without the deep threat they are a lot easier to defend. But Brown has had several different types of leg injuries this season.......the ankle was just the most recent......he's a mess.

In a normal season someone would definitely claim him. But $2M remaining salary will matter more in a decision this year.

I am sure that Josh Allen is exceptional. I think Daboll is plenty competent...........but I am not sure he's a difference making coach himself and that track record as an OC is why...........if you are finishing 30th in the league in offense you aren't creating much synergy.

Probably a more logical Preston Williams replacement option though.

Yeah definitely depends on the outlook on Brown. He has about $2M left on his contract this season yet so that's definitely a deterrent.