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Part of every pro sports fan should be wanting to win a SB. Too many Bills fans act like the Bills are their small college school trying to compete with the big boys. Most of that is the organizations fault for being such a dumpster fire for 17 years. But the playing field, by design, is quite level in the NFL. That being the case you should expect a pro sports organization to put a SB contender on the field often..........that's supposed to be the trade-off that the owners provide in return for fans suspending disbelief that a privately owned club is actually representing them or the community.

I agree he has not been developed as a passer. He showed a lot of potential as a passer at Louisville. If you recall, when Roman was here Trent Dilfer called his passing game design "high school level". The Bills took a big gamble putting a raw, athletic QB like Josh Allen in a complicated New England style offense. It lead to two very statistically rough years at the bottom of the league in completion % that probably would have gotten Allen benched on teams like Pittsburgh or Baltimore. But now it's yielding results. Mayfield and Jackson started out much quicker but now Allen is the most advanced of the bunch.

He's been playing better since the bye week....... but Edmunds was not voted to the pro bowl last year he was a late addition as a replacement for injured/surgery/still playing players........like Tyrod Taylor was in 2015. Steelers rookie Devin Bush was voted as the pro bowl starter at ILB for the AFC. Dont'a Hightower was the original #2.

Davis had a positive with the TD but otherwise had an uncharacteristically rough game...........2 contested but very catchable drops...........had a big missed assignment on a block that blew up a play. His issues stalled several drives. But the worst play though was leaving his feet on that beautiful deep ball where he leapt out of bounds. Very surprising for someone who is a pretty polished receiver. Usually it's the less athletic/coordinated receivers that have to pick up their feet to concentrate on catching the ball. TJ Graham would be an extreme example.......he couldn't catch anything without jumping. You simply can't jump yourself out of bounds there. Slow down......stake your feet........take a PI........but don't do that. For a receiver that's like a QB taking a sack on third down to knock you out of field goal range. From what we've seen I think he is capable of taking that pass on the run but it's on tape now so he can expect DB's to anticipate him leaving his feet on boundary throws and then simply escorting him out of bounds for easy stops.

It's not a matter of misperception. Just because you are in the area of a catch does not make you the targeted defender so perception implies that it's not at all a statistical factor. That is where his 123 passer rating allowed certainly reflects his lack of impact in coverage. And who are the *average* MLB's and why is a MLB drafted in the middle of round one expected to have "average" players as comps? There are a lot of name MLB's in the NFL. Fred Warner, for instance, has a 63 passer rating allowed. A lot of the MLB's that most would consider better tacklers and much more physical in run defense than Edmunds are in the 70-100 range in passer rating allowed. The question isn't whether Edmunds is an average MLB.........he plays in a defense designed to showcase the MLB so he's going to get some stats............the question is whether his talent/potential are muted by playing a position he isn't particularly instinctive at. And yes, I know that some will argue that he must be a top MLB because the defense has been good with him.........but they had a near top ranked defense with Preston Brown at MLB under Schwartz. You don't need a stud MLB to be successful on defense. Modern NFL defenses are only as strong as their ability to defend the pass..............so MLB is well down on the priority list of spending money and personnel chips on. Good defense is mostly about coverage and pass rush. Having a MLB who can do everything well is like having a catcher who can hit in baseball...........not critical but it's a big plus. Edmunds hasn't really been that + player at MLB so far. You can't pay him $15M per year to do what he's been doing..........which is ultimately why I think they(and he and his agent) need to see if he can become a player at a more important and expensive to fill edge position. Make him a guy who can pressure the passer and set the edge and ALSO drop back in coverage or take a great TE out of the gameplan and he then has the potential to become a player of far greater impact.

From other pics with adults by it I am guessing that statue is about 8' tall. He's basically the size of The Incredible Hulk.

I harped on Gillislee being given a few hundred K higher tender the same way I have harped on being OK with extending Beane but thinking he needs to be more efficient. It was basically all in one thread and a bunch of people mincing my words, creating false narratives and straw man arguments because they were outraged that I was being critical of a decision. My logic was that I was thrilled that we had a backfield that averaged 5.5 yards per carry and that trying to turn McCoy back into a 250-300 carry back again was a bad idea. And it was. He ended up dropping a stunning 1.5 ypc in production to well below league average per carry. A good bit of that was on Dennison and his system........but he also took a beating that season that proved to be the end of his usefulness as a semi-regular NFL RB. It was a truly ugly offensive season.

1) Like I said there are 300 MLB starting positions.......any one of them COULD earn $30M per year if they are great enough........only 14 do. That's a less than 5% chance. 10 of 30 NFL starting QB's earn over $30M. Do the math. If your hangup is that I didn't say that only NBA all-stars have a better chance of earning $30M per year then that's minutia and any QB who was capable of being an NBA all-star would almost certainly bypass football........there just hasn't been one who could. The economics have changed for QB's though.....as I said in the post above........former Heisman trophy winning QB Charlie Ward earned more in the NBA as a reserve point guard averaging 6 points and 4 assists in 12 years than Jim Kelly did as a HOF QB in 11. That's not the way the economics work any longer and QB's just don't take the punishment that Jim Kelly did either. I'm not saying that QB's didn't have long careers before.....the lack of quality in the league often lead to QB's having the opportunity to play even far past the point where they were good. But QB's now have potential to play longer and earn more now than ever. That's attractive to families deciding where to direct their talented son's skills. 2) Exactly my point. There are comps. 3) The QB of the class of 83' who lasted the longest was the scrambling QB John Elway. Russell Wilson is a scrambling QB who will eventually be the most sacked QB in NFL history........he is healthy at age 32 and plans to play until age 45 and I don't doubt him. Being more athletic doesn't make you less likely to have a long career at QB.

I think Art would look good with some zubaz.

How they BUILT this team is not a method that they will have the ability to sustain. Beane has spent and spent and spent in free agency the past 3 offseasons and it's gotten them here but now they gotta' make like the Steelers and Patriots have done for a decade. Find players to fill roles cheaply. The Steelers do it by drafting and developing at a high level. The Patriots have done it despite poor early drafting by having unusual success from late picks, UDFA's and cheap free agents.

I like to use Charlie Ward as an example of this. If Charlie Ward wasn't a better QB prospect than Russell Wilson I will eat my hat...........but in that NFL he wasn't going to get a system tailored to him like Russ. And the earning potential even as a fringe NBA player was better than being a good NFL QB. Charlie Ward made $34M in 12 seasons as a serviceable player in the NBA........Jim Kelly made $28M in 11 seasons as a HOF QB. Their careers didn't directly overlay but the fact that Ward would have finished anywhere near a HOF QB in career earnings says it all.

1) Murray was a high 1st round pick and given a $5M bonus by the Oakland A's. He wasn't likely to play in MLB as a rookie but probably in year 2. Years ago going to MLB would have been the easy choice for him. Less violent......longer career........guranteed contracts and very good baseball players got paid more than great QB's. Those aren't the economics of baseball anymore. Careers are shorter with PED's legislated better.......teams work to delay free agency and are loathe to pay players past their age 32 year any longer(which is still middle of the prime of a modern QB)..........and the supply greatly exceeds the demand everywhere except pitcher and catcher........neither of which Murray played. 2) Carson Wentz is in your "top paid QB" list is he not?..........he's not a top QB.........but he is paid $30M.........it works both ways.........all leagues have dudes who flame out or get overpaid for one reason or another. All those NBA players you mentioned were All Stars. That represents the league's finest. 3) Yes, built like LB's. I don't think Jim Kelly was less than 220 pounds at any point after HS. Penn State wanted him as a LB. That's a list of big, strong dudes. Jim Kelly was physically beaten after age 35 season. Marino was finished after 37 and diminished before that. Nowadays they both play another 5 years at a high level and pocket an extra $150M in the process.

1) Your insinuation is that without the Bills getting a 5th round pick for Gillislee they couldn't have had as much success in the draft.......my point is that they totally wasted two much earlier picks on Zay Jones. A LOTTA things have to happen by the 5th round. I mean, are you one of those revisionist "what were we thinking drafting Leif Larson with Tom Brady on the board!?" people? 2) Yes you were wrong. And you got mad and insulted me when you read my opinion. The proper response to that isn't "guess what.......I was wrong".......it's "I apologize......I was wrong". Honestly I laugh this stuff off and there really is no better response to false narratives/straw men/misremembered takes than laughing at it. But if TSW had to donate a dollar to Oishei Children's Hospital for every time a person first made contact with me here to insult me personally for a football take in the past 22 years...........SDS would have a unit named after him.

The low pay was and still is a major deterrent to anyone interested in getting into NFL scouting.

I didn't advocate a long term contract or a even starting job for Mike Gillislee. It's laughable that folks like you try to cherry pick the tiny fact that I was in favor of placing an earlier round, cheap, ONE YEAR tender on a very productive RB. We can't unwatch the 2017-2018 Bills offenses.........putrid............for stretches some of the worst offense in the history of the franchise. Fortunately 4 seasons later we are finally producing on that side of the ball again..........and now a lot of the pro-tankers like you who loved the late game drama of offensively anemic Jauron Ball........are suddenly appreciative of good offensive football. 😆

Didn't the Nix Bills get to 5-1 once with a QB/WR combo of Fitz, SJ13, Nelson and Jones all of whom were 6th rounders or undrafted? The year before the Bills opening day OL was the least experienced offensive line to start an NFL game since 1950(Wood, Levitre, DeMattress Malone etc..). Totally useless trivia but at the time some people here thought that it meant the bills were playing 3D chess.

I think he was helped off the field after the high ankle sprain and never returned..........was put on IR a week later. But he was nagged by a bunch of injuries all season and favoring them might very well have caused the high ankle sprain. I agree he is very important to what they do.......I really hope they do not release him. Would love to see he and Diggs healthy together for a full season because I really think his deep speed opens things up for Diggs. When he's not in there Diggs gets turned into a dink and dunk option. When Brown is on the field suddenly Diggs' routes are ran out past the sticks instead of in front of them.

And you were one of the people rooting for the Bills to tank in the summer of 2017 too. They had one of the oldest rosters in the NFL in 2017............if they had tanked it would have undermined "the process". Tanking is for teams with a coaching staff on the way OUT...........

Gillislee didn't pan out with NE but the difference between he and Tolbert's pay was only around $1M. Tolbert and the Bills offense were a mess. Gillislee didn't regain his form in NE........but he did drop the dagger TD into the Bills in the 2017 game in NE where the Bills had jumped out to an early lead. I know.......too emotionally disturbing for most of you to remember. As for the draft pick........Milano is an excellent player so kudos to Whaley I guess but I'm not sweating not being able to project that Milano would be there and a good off-ball LB 140 picks into the draft.😆 Trading pick #91 in that draft to move up for Zay Jones was foolish though. I was high on Trey Hendrickson as a developmental DE with that pick in round 3 and sure enough he came off the board shortly after that and the Bills weren't in position to get him. I am sure you don't know who Hendrickson is but he is one of the leagues very best pass rushers. Would have killed it in the Bills system. But hey they did also get "Nate Favre" out of that trade as well.

Having $30M in cap space isn't much.........so getting $10M-$15M wiggle room isn't much, Doc. And yes, it's a big issue in 2022.........but in 2021 they will no longer have the options they had in the past two offseasons with $80M in cap space..........things like letting two $10M players go at a position and replacing them with three $8M players...........they are actually going to have to start bringing up depth players to replace proven guys like Milano and Williams and finding some diamonds. Their OL has basically 5 veteran free agent level paid players........their 3 man WR corp are all big dollars........and their starting secondary are all $6M plus players. That kind of excess is not sustainable. They aren't even paying the QB yet and they are up against it so as @Coach Tuesday said........they are going to have to get more efficient.

I know you remain a Whaley/Rex defender but as I said at the time.......unnecessarily extending McCoy into 2018 and 2019 was dumb. His Eagles contract ran thru 2017.......and that's where ANY of his usefulness as regular NFL RB ended. He was SHOT by 2018. I know at the time you said he was the "Tom Brady of running backs" who could play great into his late 30's.......that take was hilarious.😆 And no I never declared that McDermott was going to be Jauron 2.0. In the summer of 2017 when you and others were vehemently insisting that McBeane were trying to tank and get a very high draft pick.....I said no way.........their intention was to Jauron-ball the team into contention. There was no way they were going thru all that culture building to totally undermine their message by tanking. And Jauron-ball was exactly what they played. Protect the ball, play a defensive style to prevent big plays and shorten games and hope that your opponent made more mistakes than you. It worked out.......particularly in road games at Carolina, Atlanta and KC where QB's made late mistakes to secure Bills upset victories. Dick Jauron went 13-3 with that style once. It can work sometimes but it also puts you in position to GET BEAT as often as anything so that's why DJ was always around .500. I did say that I thought they should have tendered Gillislee a $2.3M one year contract. He lead the NFL in ypc and short yardage conversions in 2016. That was the extent of it. You thought the Bills rush offense would still be just as effective with Mike Tolbert and Dennison as they were in 2016..........you couldn't have been much more wrong. They were terrible. Dennison could have tried to keep the same system in place or just run more inside zone at least............he did not.........he got fired immediately after a playoff season with years left on his contract.

Major injuries happen in every season to NBA players or MLB players too. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins.....all "max" contract players......all missed seasons recently and/or currently. Then think of all of the pitchers who end up getting Tommy John surgery. Nearly 20% of all pitchers end up getting TJ. Injuries happen in every sport. QB career expectancy has exploded. Instead of guys built like LB's in Kelly and Marino enduring the punishment and flaming out at 36-37..............now we have much more slightly built soft tossers like Brady and Brees playing at a very high level into their 40's. The NBA is the only real good comparison to QB pay-potential........guys like Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen or DeShaun Watson now have the potential to earn $30M-$40M type money for 15-17 years.........great NBA players who enter the league at 19 have the potential to make that kind of money. In MLB you basically play 6 years(plus any years of minor league service) to reach unrestricted free agency between the ages of 27-30. And 30 teams have 10 positions each that a player could earn $30M playing if they are great enough. So 14 out of 300 MLB starters/aces make top dollar. In the NFL 10 of 32 starting QB's make top dollar. Profiling as a starting QB made it much easier for top baseball prospects like Mahomes and Kyler Murray to choose football. I will say this though..........in MLB a glut of talent caused by massive amounts of foreign players and youth baseball enrollment in the US skyrocketing has created a minor league system with a bunch of formerly-MLB-worthy talent in limbo and that surplus has really turned the pay scale of the league into much more of a have and have-not situation. In football.........there are more capable QB's than ever. The talent level is night and day from 15 years ago. For example......last years leading yardage passer is a backup QB in New Orleans this year. If the trend continues........2-3 stud QB's entering the league every year + top QB's playing for 20 years = that will alter the pay scale.

You don't save cap room letting contracts expire, TFP. The prospective cap figure for the following year does not include expired contracts from the previous season.

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