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Actually, that sorry roster should have been in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes........and yet 6 wins and VERY narrow losses in Seattle and Buffalo and an absurd 45-0 blanking of the Chargers........so yeah he kinda' did. I'm not chalking up this game Monday as a win. My hope is that he goes 1995 Shula this offseason and loads up with veteran free agents..........the chemistry doesn't work........and he decides to call it quits or goes to the Giants.

Yep like when that dude started a thread to say that Andrew Luck was finished in summer of 2018.........then Luck went out and threw 39 TD passes. HAHA Merry Christmas!

I expected the defense to get better............what people were saying was a lack of bulk inside was just a lack of technique and want-to and those issues appear to be mostly resolved. Whether they have enough playmaking in them on defense to impact Mahomes and keep a KC offense under 30 points in Arrowhead is another story............but if John Brown comes back strong and they continue on this offensive trajectory they may actually be able to go toe-to-toe in shootouts with teams with solid defenses the likes of KC and Green Bay(or a healthy New Orleans). To me this Monday game is still important. The Pats need to be put in their place. They have like $70m-$80M in cap space in what should be a great buyers market for free agents and I don't want them going 1-1 against Buffalo and what's left of their current roster still thinking Belichick owns McDermott and that they'd be 8-0 against him but for a last second Cam fumble near the goal line.

It was my opinion that they took a 10-6 level team into the preseason of 2017. You thought they were a 4-12 unit. You were proven wrong. They weren't in some rebuild from the ground up.......they inherited a lot of very good players but they made a conscious decision to turn over the high-leverage-having young talent in Gilmore, Woods, Watkins and Darby and Dareus and Glenn(in that order). All high draft picks.......all entering FA years or core young talent and recently paid. That type of player is in position to dictate the terms of their employment and that wasn't congruent with new, unproven regime trying to preach a message of "trust our process". In 2017 they returned an offensive line and starting QB, RB and TE that had lead the entire NFL in big plays and rushing in both 2015 and 2016..........the defense still had 3/4 of the DL that dominated under Schwartz. It wasn't a junk team but the choices they were making were making them older so not replacing them wasn't an option. But change like that is constant EVERYWHERE in the NFL......it's no miracle to do major re-work on a roster in a short period..........look at the Patriots rosters in 3 year increments from 2007-2019 and you will find "near-complete" roster turnover over and over and over. The key is they got a QB. For all the other work they have done they wouldn't be able to win against a "good teams" schedule if they didn't have a difference maker there.

McKenzie makes RayRay look sure handed in the KR/PR game. In 2017 with Denver he managed to fumble 6 times on 24 returns.

+ Jets won and have fallen out of the #1 draft spot and likely will lose out on Trevor Lawrence In the early 90's stuff used to fall together......over the course of a few weeks teams would fall by the wayside........ but I don't remember getting 4 great outcomes like that in one weekend late in a season.

In 2010 we were 0-8........clearly the least talented team in the NFL.......and at the front of the "suck for Luck" sweepstakes. When Fitz then played like his hair was on fire leading the team to a 4-4 finish. It was a disaster for the Bills..........Luck decided to stay in school but Cam Newton came out and the Bills couldn't get him picking third. Newton became a league MVP and lead McD's Panthers to a Super Bowl. So yeah we should be able to relate. That was 10 years ago and we just NOW finally have a Super Bowl contender so people can laugh all they want at the Jets fans that are lamenting about 10 more years of frustration. Wouldn't be surprising.

Yes that is correct. In other news the lowly Tampa Bay Bucs scored 458 points last year and current New Orleans 3rd string QB Jameis Winston threw for over 5,000 yards..........1200 more yards than HOF'er Jim Kelly's best season! Ya' Diggs? The numbers of today aren't apples to apples comparisons to the 1970's or 1990's. So if you are going to try to make such a comparison at least have some perspective.

The "franchise" didn't begin in 1978. You don't like projecting out to 16 games? Fine. Neither the 1991 or 2020 teams reached 420 points thru 14 games. In fact the 1975 team scored 407 points thru just 13 games. If you don't have perspective don't try to "put it in perspective".

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First.......learn to write better. You literally said "this is a historic offense we are seeing" which is to imply that is also relative beyond the scope of just the franchise. It's not. Forget the Packers or Chiefs...........the Titans are going to easily surpass 458 points this year...........even the friggin' Colts might! And btw.......if you think you are some kind of team historian........think again! The highest scoring offense in Bills franchise history were the 1975 Bills who averaged 30 points per game..........which projects out to 480 over 16 games.......not 458.......so the bar is a little higher than you think if you are talking "Bills franchise history".

Gilmore injured as well too. Hopefully they are able to get the passing game going against NE this time and earn that first decisive victory over Belichick.

As someone who has been tailgating for every game all season............and an epic tailgate season indeed..........I would concur that it would be safer to just allow some kind of organized outdoor tailgating at the stadium. If you can go to stores..........or WORK at stores.......and go to restaurants and eat inside without masks (obviously)...........I just don't see how being outdoors in groups of 10 or less are even close to the same risk level.

Yeah @Inigo Montoya kept using that running game argument..........I don't think he knows the difference between not having a running game in 1990-1991(catastrophic) versus what it means to not have a running game today(not a lot if you can sling it).

Nah you just got caught up in recency bias. That early 90's team cut both ways..........they were exciting and had a roster advantage that isn't reasonable to ever replicate in the free agency era..........but they were poorly coached on defense, their HC couldn't and didn't run a tight ship like McD, and they were certainly not humble and not focused. This team is a ton of fun to watch but IMO what makes them potentially special are all of those less tangible traits that they DON'T have in common with the early 90's team.

It's been discussed a few times here over the years.........mainly every time he handles the football. He has brought up his RB past with the media many times and has said he has lobbied the coaching staffs for RB carries over the years. He is a prime example of what I've said here so many times...........a lot of the guys who would have been RB's in the NFL of old switched to better paying positions. It was the right move for Hughes....he has made more money with a long career as a modestly accomplished pass rusher than he probably would have made if he had become even a stud RB.

Thurman Thomas was in the midst of leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage 4 straight seasons. He was A LOT better........any way you cut it.........relative to his peers or even just number for number despite the inflated stats of today.........than "#19 in receptions for RB's" Devin Singletary or Zach Moss. Protest all you want. 4 HOF'ers in the passing game.........pro bowlers all over the offensive line..........a passing game with NO weaknesses in an era before free agency when there was a lot more roster imbalance around the league. I'm loving this team but trying to say this current team has more passing game talent is to deny not only the individual greatness of those HOF'ers but also the fact that they were outstanding at all levels of the passing game.......WR's......RB's......TE's. If you want to see how the screen game is executed........go back and watch the 1992 AFC Championship in Miami where the Bills just ran screen after screen after screen and the opponent couldn't stop it even when they knew it was coming.

Meh. The NFL record is 606 points in a season set by Denver in 2013. The forgettable Ravens scored 531 points last year. Historic in the same way that winning the AFC East was......but not even remotely in a league-wide scope.

Yes as I said the Bills are NOT averaging 30+ points per game and they came into the game just 10th in the NFL in scoring. Yeah speaking of running backs.....the current Bills backs are probably the worst receiving RB group in the NFL......there is zero screen game and forget throwing downfield to them. Thurman Thomas was the premier receiving back in the NFL..........an NFL MVP. That's one of like 50 points of comparison that just don't match up AT ALL or make it extremely difficult to compare era's. Guys like Reed and Lofton finished their NFL careers in the top 2 in both career catches and yardage when they hung them up..............I hate to break it to you but none of the Bills receivers are going to finish their careers that high on NFL lists. Bottom line.......this offense is very fun to watch but there aren't going to be 4 passing game Hall of Famers from this bunch like there were on the 1990-1991 Bills. Nope. What's important is that the current Bills are excellent at a style of offense that can win big in today's NFL.

To me it was listening to a Broncos beat guy in the pregame talking up their #1-in-NFL red zone defense.............and the Bills immediately marching down the field and hanging 6 on them in the red zone. After that it felt like the Bills were going to have their way with them all day.......and they did.

The Dolphins, Raiders and Seahawks games are the three highest YPC games of the season for Diggs and it's no coincidence that Brown was opposite him in those games. Diggs can run his short routes deeper when the defense has to be aware of the possibility of Brown getting over the top. Diggs has become more of a focal point with Brown out so he's been getting fed more but so many of those passes are in front of the sticks now.

Mahomes is the best. Allen may be #2. But Rodgers........as good as he is.........is not mobile. He left about 5-6 plays on the field today that Mahomes and Allen make.

As talented and successful as the early 90's Bills were..........they were also not consistent in effort week to week. The tail wagged the dog on that team and they would have weeks where they just seemed to be looking ahead or unfocused........so it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have a consistent run of leading games like that. They have been focused/methodical this year......a one-week-at-a-time team.

They aren't scoring 30+ points per game. They came into this week 10th in the NFL in scoring. They are absolutely the best passing offense the Bills have had since the NFL basically disallowed the hitting of QB's and WR's in 2010 but offensively they don't yet stack up against their peers the way the 1990 Bills did.

Yeah the Bills current offense is playing excellent football but they came in to the game in Denver as just the 10th leading scoring team in the NFL. The early 90-91 teams finished in the top 2 in the NFL in scoring and yards per play in those years...........they were amazing and they were at least the equal at WR and so much better at receiving RB and TE.