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I'm speaking to the fact that those offenses rely on quick hitting throws to players who can get open quick and create yards after the catch...........and Gabe can't do those things. Also his hands are hard and he REALLY struggles to make contested catches so he's not a guy you want running those crossers and slants even if he was quicker and a better route runner. He's very limited. He's a system fit as a 3rd option with a QB like Josh Allen who can buy time and make ridiculous deep and out throws but he'd be useless for guys like Tua and Purdy.

Wow, that was a lot of yakking to say that Beane forced an early pick(plus 2 4th's) for perceived immediate need at a non-premium position..........which is the perfect formula for failure, btw. We know now that having two very good WR's is much more important than the quality of your RT wrt to reaching and winning SB's. And btw, "Ford showed flashes at RT his rookie season" is both very subjective and of questionable consequence. Brandon Spoon showed flashes at LB his rookie year. I could give a long, long list of washouts who were graded on a curve by fans in their rookie year so they seemed to be on some kind of positive trajectory when, in fact, they just sucked. Ford has always been a 40's-low 50's PFF grade OL from 2019 on. He sucked in 2019 and he still sucks.

I think you are mistaken if they don't pay attention to grades or anything but vague "metadata". You are giving the teams way too much credit. Teams have about 24 hours to put together gameplans on Monday morning. It's abundantly clear that there isn't a great deal of "metadata" being analyzed for some of this scouting and self-scouting. Like most things NFL, fans tend to give the team and players far too much credit for work they are doing individually.

The problem didn't really dissipate until the late 1990's when law enforcement realized they had no choice but to keep a much closer eye out for creeps that fit your profile. My guess is your mom was a young adult when Arthur Shawcross was carving up women in the late 1980's and early 1990's. I'm just telling you having known police from Rochester from that era that there was a concerted effort to let people know that Rochester wasn't going to be treated like a hunting ground of vulnerable women and children. I could give you a long list of my individual complaints with individual cops which dwarf your complaints but you have to first understand that policing means "preserving" law and order and in that context what happened to you hardly seems "extra-legal".

Well he's a pending free agent if next year is the objective and will be coming off two bad seasons so probably be a Taylor Rapp type.

Agree........his biggest problem is absolutely himself. Second biggest problem is that there are A LOT of other good QB's in the league now. It's not the dark ages where you had 6-7 QB's or less in the entire NFL who you could win a SB with without some kind of miracle happening in your favor...........and now you have more than that in the AFC alone. Third.........he lacks the weapons that some of his competition have at their disposal. This Bills team is a lot like the Chargers of Schottenheimer/Norv Turner in their combination of regular season dominance and playoff failure........and it was often said, and taken for granted even, that Philip Rivers would just win a SB at some point because those Chargers had such deep and talented rosters for a fairly long time. Never materialized.

Not sure that changes @FireChans point. It was pretty even......they had the ball the same amount of times at that point. KC had missed a makable FG in their final possession of the first half. So overall it was really even but offensively it wasn't a broadly impressive offensive performance by the Bills.........Allen just played out of his head and Davis was running wide open against blown/poor coverage in a disheveled KC secondary that was instead determined to keep Diggs from doing anything at all.

You have it quite backwards. The Pats have one of the most punchless WR corps for sure but Gabe would probably have to split time on the boundary with DeVante Parker if Davis was with the Pats. Gabe is more of a deep threat but Parker is much better at catching contested throws so they would probably rotate depending on down/distance/circumstance as the 3rd/4th option behind Juju and Kendrick Bourne in terms of target share. Gabe couldn't even make the rosters in Miami or SF. Just doesn't get open quick, run routes well enough or catch contested passes well enough to fit in those offenses and since he doesn't contribute on ST's he isn't roster-able if he's not in the top 3. He is in the best possible situation for him to produce.........a team with a big armed QB who can buy 4-5 seconds for Gabe to actually get open and then make the throws in places where CB's usually don't have to cover. He is just too high up the target list in Buffalo and that leads to way to many mistakes and inefficiencies.

The flip side is an effort like the DL gave in that Cinci playoff game. Just gutless. I think the general mentality in football is to push thru injuries, take the needle and if you don't then someone might take your job and that creates an urgency to be available and perform. And then succeeding thru adversity builds character. Everyone is hurt by the time the playoffs begin but they have always wilted in the playoffs defensively and that could be a factor of not laying the foundation needed in-season to succeed deep into the postseason.

I think @Coach Tuesday point is that they tend to be hyper-cautious with injuries. And I do wonder if that creates an "oh I'm hurt, shouldn't play full speed" mentality with a guy like Ed Oliver that contributes to his disappearances every time he gets knicked up. I thought Groot played tentative last game as well coming off an injury that didn't even take him out of the Miami game two weeks earlier. Does their abundance of caution help or enable/create excuses for effort falling off.

Maybe, yeah. Bit early on Williams but love his style of game. The objective in selecting LB's in round 3 is to get good one's. Like RB, it's a position that you ideally get premium production from with a 3rd round pick. They seem to have done better with the LB's in round 3 than the RB's, so far. Not that Singletary wasn't good but Bernard and Williams have higher ceilings at their positions. Next the team needs to realize that they really don't need a first round CB to play mostly zone defense for a team that is run by a defensive specialist. And then hopefully they will get around to the reality that job #1 of any organization is to make the QB look as good as he can........and having a bunch of underwhelming day 3 picks and UDFA's comprising your receiving corps from 2-5 or 6 is not enough investment.

Nope, as was very clearly stated in english, just pointing out that we need a response standard to address the unnecessary, random absolutes that some attention seekers create when they are eventually proven 100% wrong. Like a Darwin award. You may be proven 100% correct, though. Time will tell but you are playing a long game with those absolutes and huge contract guys tend to get cut and change teams late in their careers, if nothing else.

Not too worried about duplicating the 2021 offensive talent comparison because I don't(and didn't) think they had done enough then either. They proved that during the season with their inconsistency and low floor. They had a great game against the Pats but IMO still needed a lucky break that the Chiefs secondary was so banged up in that 13 seconds game that Davis didn't have to face a CB2 level CB......but Diggs was still held to just 7 total yards by Spags' scheming. That's the problem with not enough weapons at WR. Diggs can be schemed out of the offense by a good defense because there isn't anyone whose a tough cover in the Bills receiving corps besides him. Also, fwiw, I've come to realize that the Bengals probably beat the Bills at home in that AFCCG if they had managed to win in KC. Styles make fights and the Bengals styles on O and D are a bad matchup for the Bills. They have given the Chiefs all they can handle too.........but in the two Bills/Bengals meetings last year they looked totally overmatched.

Because of the big influx of WR talent that began in 2018 (after several near bereft draft classes) having 2 or 3 very good receivers has become much more possible and more of a necessity than a luxury. And no.........I don't blame Gabe at all. He just doesn't have the ability to do the things he hasn't been able to do, IMO. He's a very nice specialized deep threat option for Josh Allen. I blame McBeane.

If the counterpoint there can be EXCEPTIONS..... Of course. The Broncos won a SB with Peyton Manning at QB after he threw 9 TD and 17 INT. So stranger things have happened. The point is that the overwhelming majority of teams that have reached SB's in the past decade or so have had 2 star receiving options.

Yeah turnovers were a lot more common and acceptable way back then(70's-80's). When Pittsburgh Steelers played the LA Rams in SB XIV they had been the two teams that had turned the ball over the most in the NFL that season.

The Bills had a reliable outlet on short and intermediate routes as their WR2 from 2019-2021 and weren't even that close to reaching a Super Bowl (getting dismantled early in their one AFCCG appearance). The 6 teams that reached those 3 SB's all had a more talented second options. In an effort to find answers I can see why some Bills fans are rationalizing that maybe just adding a role player(read:cheap/slot) would level the playing field in the postseason with teams like Cinci/SF/Philly/KC........but that's a tall order. Even if you believe that maybe they can get by KC because KC isn't getting great immediate results from all those 2nd and 3rd round picks they've expended on wide receivers the past couple seasons........you still likely have to beat at least 1 or 2 more of that group and Miami to win a SB.

From now on when someone makes some broad declaration like this..........but then gets proven 100% wrong: We gotta' set some kind of standard for unnecessary absolute failure.

1) Steve Smith is not 24 years old. This is a message board you can pretty easily go back a few posts to get perspective on the discussion without asking a ridiculous question. 2) If you think Jeudy has been a great pro at any points.........and therefore can be "not a great player anymore"............then you don't follow the NFL very closely.

A slot guy doesn't have to be just a slot only guy like Beasley or Renfrow though. Cooper Kupp can play anywhere but in his 1900+ yard season he was mostly in the slot. What you want as a SB contender are 2 WR's who can play anywhere.......inside or out..........then you don't have to take those guys off the field if you are playing 12 or 21 etc.. Needing to have a slot only on the field funnels you into 11 personnel.

San Francisco, Philadelphia, Cincinnati and Miami........along with KC those are the other top SB contenders in the NFL. And KC has Kelce, 2 second rounders, a first rounder and TWO Gabe Davis types in Justin Watson and MVS. And the actual majority of teams in general have better draft and/or performance pedigree at positions WR2-5 than Buffalo..........whose corps is one All Pro and a bunch of day 3 and UDFA's. It's not a fluke that the Bills WR corps is not very impressive...........there hasn't been much investment there. Some of our seemingly willfully ignorant TSW Gabe-pologists like to point to Gabe's counting stats but as @HappyDays already pointed out and has been re-hashed over and over........Davis puts up those counting stats because he gets a lot of chances in a corps devoid of better options with a QB who is one of the few in the league who can create the throws needed to utilize the limited Gabe Davis. His efficiency numbers have been abysmal though because doesn't move well enough or catch the ball well enough to make the easy, efficient plays. And others point to his high ypc and say the drops and interceptions are just because he is targeted so deep but he's targeted deep and late in downs because he can't execute anything else.

And now the people who have been defending Gabe as a #2 are reacting to his continued inconsistency by claiming that they just need a better slot receiver. Ignoring the fact that the majority of the teams that the Bills are trying to get thru to win a SB have second options that can succeed at any of the WR positions. It's a process getting some of these people to "see the forest for the trees".

Obviously not going to happen. But if he could just find some way to avoid being drafted by one of those inept organizations that tend to finish near the top of the draft everywhere and instead got picked by a playoff team the way Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen did..........

Sure and if your single mom happened to be one of those vulnerable females killed in Rochester you'd probably be of the opinion that the police should have noticed something was suspicious. But I do feel for you being so racially profiled......you are truly an honorary minority.

Yeah the Dorsey hate has gone far overboard. Times are very different for these Bills than they were for Daboll in 20-21. Less skill talent at receiver and Allen is not being used in the run game. Still.........the offense is more consistent than the one he left behind and has a higher floor as a result.