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He is definitely an adequate some-system #2 WR for a non-contender. He couldn't even make the 53 man roster for teams like Miami or San Fran though because he is useless in the short passing game. He can't even use his size to catch slants because he can't catch the ball in traffic or after contact. So the people who just point to his modest stats in an offense with a top 3 QB can try to spin it all they want..........but a guy with huge holes in his game like Gabe isn't a WR2 in all systems. Yeah Kincaid is their best hope to alleviate the issue on the roster. Said if many times.........they need to get Gabe down to about 4 targets per game. And to do that they need a more reliable second option. Almost there but if Kincaid doesn't start upping his production then the better teams on the schedule will still be able to bracket Diggs and force the ball to Davis.

You literally posted that Davis was on pace for 900 yards so I pointed out the relative insignificance or your projection..........I wasn't the one who started the "on pace" narrative that was you. You get that right? You stop taking your meds?

That's not really true. He was blamed by some NFL talking heads for the lazy route that Whitehead exploited on the opening game INT. And his terrible drop early in the sequence of downs contributed to the desperation throw that turned into an INT versus Washington. Have you watched the games? The "to be fair" part is more like "he was dropping passes in the preseason still". The first Josh Allen pass of the preseason was a dime of a throw on a quick slant that hit the open Gabe on the hands and he butterfingered it to the ground...........he also dropped another over the middle when he was wide open. There is nothing to indicate that he's appreciably different than last season or the year before or the year before........ Great players like Diggs can sometimes be taken out of the game with double teams. Gabe doesn't have that excuse.

For reference.........Gabe Davis was on pace for 1300+ yards thru 4 games last season. The issues with Gabe are the inconsistency from game to game...........the near-league-worst hands for a WR(second only to Zay Jones in drops last year)...............and the inability to run enough routes to be able to pressure defense's that can bracket Diggs out of the game. Regarding the latter..........Miami couldn't stop Diggs with a slot CB on him all game so the pressure was off Gabe. Now Gabe is back to the scene of one of his crimes.........playing Jacksonville in a super low-profile game this week.........the last time that happened he had a devastating dropped pass on the last Bills drive of the game that greatly contributed to their defeat to the then-winless Jags.

Davis has been impactful in just 3 of the 7 playoff games he played in and he was a big reason for their struggles down the stretch and the Cinci loss in the playoffs. The fact that 2 of those 3 they won and the third was the 13 seconds narrow defeat only re-inforces the fact that they need that second receiving option to play well....so the defense can't just take away Diggs.......to advance. Unfortunately Gabe's brand is inconsistency. Hard to win 3-4 playoff games in a row with inconsistency.

Yeah and just like we can hope that the lack of a better second receiving option doesn't stop them cold in January............. in the past there has always been the hope that the Bills highly ranked defense could bully their way to the SB and that remains a possibility as well (though their heavily invested-in defenses have been shredded in the playoffs multiple times now). Bottom line is that they are trying to buck a pretty significant trend with Davis.

Kelce and Juju both finished top 25 in the NFL in yardage and caught 72 and 77 percent of the passes thrown their way, respectively. Did Mahomes elevate Juju's game? Sure, just like Big Ben elevated Juju in his 1400 yard receiving season. But Juju is capable of being elevated because he can do whatever is needed in the passing game. Josh Allen elevates Gabe Davis a lot.........but the end result is not a WR1 type option despite having a GREAT QB........because his modest athleticism and bad hands have limited his ceiling.

Yeah with a QB who can buy time and make throws to parts of the field that CB's aren't even used to having to defend...........and with an OC that schemes around his limitations. Gabe's situation in Buffalo is not the usual. Guys like he and Marquez Valdes-Scantling are good fits at the right price as HR hitting 3rd options for guys like Mahomes/Rodgers/Allen. But with his struggles to contribute early on in downs I am not certain Gabe could even make the Dolphins or Niners rosters due to their extremely quick hitting attacks. He'd just be a terrible fit in a quick release passing offense.

The extreme Spencer Brown hate from people like @Simon reminds me a lot of former Bills whipping boy OG/OT Glenn Parker. Very good athlete.......had some injury setbacks......took longer to develop than ideal but went on to become a very good starter for a long time and the Giants were extremely disappointed that he decided to call it quits at age 35.

So you've never been a big proponent of what every team that has reached the SB for the last 6 years has done? What you are talking about used to work fine.........think early-mid 2000's Patriots. Since the 2010 rules changes just making a SB without 2 top receiving threats has become the exception.

Yeah.........but then they would still have Brian Daboll as their HC. I know I've been his biggest detractor in a virtual sea of Daboll-washers........and a lot of very good posters have even taken GREAT issue with my opinion that Daboll was a hot mess waiting to happen if given a HC'ing job. But to those folks.........I told y'all so. I know some people couldn't understand.........but there are coaches out there who can look great for a stretch but then can turn around and produce results that are far less than the sum of the parts they are given. Daboll had already proven this a number of times as an OC.

I don't think the numbers tell us much at all........still looks like the same guy to the eye test. My belief has been that less targets would make him more efficient.........and I could easily say the lower amount of targets and better catch % support that.........but 18 targets with 1 drop and 2 interceptions thrown his way is still enough of a mixed bag for such a small sample size.

Just saying..........we might be past the point where we are acting like he is a kid and his excellence is new........he's 27 and he's in his 6th NFL season and the 4th where he is among the finest in the game. It's a message board but they offer emoji's to show appreciation instead of fishing for thumbs like you are fulfilling some penance. Just pointing out the option for you.

Yeah we know. But having seen your utter despair unfold on TSW when they drafted him I know why you still feel the need to re-inforce it. It's OK.........you weren't alone........SB trophy emoji's will suffice.

I'd rather they stay in contention and not be in quit mode against the Chiefs. But, that's me. I know NFL Network broadcasts from inside the stadium they play in but I think it would take A LOT of chaos to make anyone really notice the Chargers..........they are a team without a fan base.

Yeah motion has to be very choreographed if you want that player to be able to hit the LOS at speed.......which, with enough tape, makes it a tell of both the likely play choice and when the ball will be snapped. I've been listening to talking heads wonder in astonishment about how you stop it and I've been surprised that none of them had even mentioned it.

True. And if Daboll can still get a job after that 6 point debacle against the winless Jags..........I think a team can squint at Dorsey's job on MNF on 9/11 and consider that Reid and Mahomes also struggled there in a less hostile environment a few weeks later.........and basically put no weight on it.

Oh SQUATeam...........ye of little faith........Yanks finish the season with best record in MLB over the last 5 weeks and your hopes of a Yankees losing season were dashed. Predictably.........because that's how I am sure life always goes for you. Also @4merper4mer the random bandwagon Cardinal fan got to enjoy a team that finished an abysmal 71-91...........victims of the balanced schedule after decades of feasting off of half-invested competition in the NL central. But........no more time for you losers: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-clinch-winning-record-with-win-no-82-despite-disappointing-season-extend-streak-to-31-years/

I think the ultimate issue is actually that there will be 8 or so HC openings..........that's the norm........so he doesn't have to be the perfect candidate. Nobody thought Daboll was going to get a HC job late in the 2021 season after a series of abysmal performances by him in the middle of that season.

That was my thought. He didn't have any turnover worthy plays but was still making some incredible throws. Took a couple field goals instead of pushing the ball into traffic. Also important that he not look to throw to his ball droppers Gabe/Knox/Shakir on 3rd downs (other than Shakir on that low % deep shot that he put right on the money).

Meh, it's not like Armstead is a pillar of stability for them. He missed 14 games his past two seasons entirely and exited seemingly every other one in between for parts of those games. He missed the first two games of this season as well.

Evans agent wants him to be paid like a top 5 receiver..........that's why Tampa hasn't extended him.........you've followed his situation close enough you should know that $15M per ain't gonna' cut it. OBJ and DHop were damaged goods for whom there was some question whether they would bounce back..........Evans is nowhere near Adams as a WR at this point(he had almost 400 less yards and 8 less TD's last season) but he is still an actual 1,000 yard high producing WR.......... so OBJ and DHop aren't comps. So yeah, I think the impending free agent Evans will cost the Bills a lot more than the just $20M in cap hits that Adams would over the next season and a half. As for Adams seeming like something or another.........he wasn't a problem in Green Bay. He wanted to get paid but all WR's do. The idea that he couldn't share the spotlight with Diggs(or the opposite) is baseless speculation.

Why would an expiring contract Gabe Davis have any value at all to a team that's not in contention? If you are going that route it has to be a 3 team trade that would send Davis to a contender. But Davante Adams is at worst the 2nd best WR in the NFL......literally 3 straight first team All Pro seasons.......and is still in his prime and absurdly good.........suggesting that just a second round pick and an expiring contract would even be a remote possibility is just ignorant. As for the cap.........the cap can work for Buffalo.........his deal can be re-structured in 2024 because his 2024 cap number is low enough to be adjusted with some void years and a signing bonus. After that you release him or tear up his deal and give him a new one. It was clearly intended to be a 3 year deal when signed in 2022 just with incredibly large team options starting in 2025 which would necessitate a re-negotiation or his release. The Raiders are the ones who would have a hard time figuring out the cap hit to them.........not the Bills.

As much as I like Evans I think you are a bit dug in on this idea if you wouldn't prefer the GREAT Adams to the very good Mike Evans........and also think acquiring an impending free agent would be better for the budget than a guy like Adams who would have only about $20M in cap hits combined in 2023-2024. Mike Evans is probably looking for something like 4 years $80M+ on the open market.

His base salary for this season is $6M so if they acquired him at mid-season the Bills would only need around $3M in cap room. If he's awesome, you re-work his deal or just add some void years to it to keep him next season because the deal he signed in 2022 was really just a 3 year deal. If he continues to be one of the 2 best WR in the entire NFL for both of those years then you consider re-working his deal when his cap hits get crazy. The issue is entirely with how the Raiders would create room on THEIR end.