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Maybe Dorsey finally got his head out of his backside

Lmao…Allen and it’s not close

Appreciate the data work. But…You just can’t analyze Josh as a QB and not factor his rushing TDs and production. Any such comparison is incomplete and presents false conclusions.

31/37 and 3 TDs. Trade him. 😂

It wasn't truly 12 personnel though like in the traditional sense...they count it every time Knox and Kincaid are on the field at same time. But Kincaid most often was lined up as a WR and wasn't really being run like a traditional 12 personnel formation. So how many times we ran it is technically correct, but we used it as a Beanes says more like 11.5 personnel. Essentially Kincaid is just a 3rd WR out there more than a 2nd TE.

Week 1 - A grade. ***No Rodgers makes it a situation where we can't take too much away off one game though. But outside of a player mistake on the long run, the defense held its own quite well IMHO.

There is 0% chance @Airseven is an actual Bills fan and this was a hilariously spot on reference 😂

I think its a combo of Josh and Dorsey. People have countered that on tape there are guys open short...but that is beside the point. If the early reads are the deeper routes, Josh may not get through his progressions before attempting a pass before seeing the open short routes. IMHO, there needs to be a dedicated effort to attack short and quick strike stuff like KC does. If we give Josh multiple deeper options he is looking there first and either fires if he sees even a sliver of a window or takes off running if the routes are opening fast enough. And when you watch Allen drop back, he isn't very often doing so to attack short and quick. He is looking for chunks first far too often, and that starts with Dorsey helping limit more of that and create more of a focus on attacking short areas of the field which will then open up easier deep stuff as the game goes on.

I mean just to be clear I am no believer in Wilson, just also am not ready to dismiss the idea he could have gotten a little better since he last started to where he can be decent enough for them to win some games with that D and run game.

Sorry but this is an urban legend or some Mandela effect stuff because Moats and the Bills did not end Farve's career. I know everyone here thinks it was the Bills, but Farve's last game was against the Bears, they ended his career giving him a concussion where he missed the final 2 games and retired at end of the season...not the Bills. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/17/chicago-bears-throwback-thursday-minnesota-vikings-brett-favre-2010/

I mean I wouldn't say they are for sure screwed...Wilson was a recent #2 overall pic...yes he struggled early, but it doesn't mean he can't keep evolving as a player and growing, and he has now beaten us twice in the past 2 seasons. Am I optimistic that Wilson can lead them to the playoffs in a tough division and AFC...no...but I am also not going to dismiss it. Jimmy G who is mediocre starter led the Niners to a SB and almost another one because of a great D and run game. Jets IMO are going to try now and follow more the Niners model and get their talented RB room going and try and keep Wilson from having to carry the team at all. Although, the Jets OL is not very good, so its not gonna be easy either. Just saying, if Wilson can just be average, with that roster they can still be a very tough opponent.

Im not saying he was concussed, but saying he’s had other bad games before has literally nothing to do with whether he was concussed or affected in this one. Every great QB has had many bad games, but that doesn’t mean an injury can’t ever be a factor in any of their other games. Personally, I don’t actually think he was concussed and it was just a situation where he made some bad mistakes pressing too hard trying to do too much. But at the same time, it is possible given the circumstances of that play they showed so I can’t for sure he wasn’t. Coolio and fair enough…but maybe mix in some positivity when things are good too for a little balance Go Bills!

Maybe you should have a second handle here called “Captain Foresight” cuz you’re probably right 😂

You just don’t seem to like them much when you post about them in shout box during games or threads. All good, Go Bills

@Airseven LMAO vomit emoticon to this interview? You are comically predictable, soon as I saw the emoticon I was like that is 100% Airseven 😂 Lol, there is just no possible way you are actually a Bills fan. There is nothing anyone can say or show me that will make me believe you’re an actual fan of this team and not just a troll fan from another team. You need new hobbies 😉

I watched a set at Coachella in VIP standing next to Von one time when he was a Bronco. What blew my mind was how deceptively huge his biceps and legs are. My friend Denise who wasn’t sober went over and kept grabbing his biceps and taking pics with them haha. My buddy, and her boyfriend, was dying laughing haha. She kept saying OMG look at these massive biceps lol. He was a super nice dude and good sport about it and thought she was funny.

Yeah, totally agree. I almost out “must watch” in the title because this really lets you into Diggs and where he is really at and puts to bed all the other noise

Diggs really showed why he is a well deserved captain

Oh I did, and let me be clear from my side, I’m not absolving Josh here, he made those mistakes and has owned them. I’m with you on that for sure. Im saying I came away from that game with concerns still on Dorsey on the decisions he also made in that game. It’s not necessarily one or the other, I think they both need to be better. All good, I’ve enjoyed your perspective and agree with most of what you have said too

Surprised didn’t see anyone post this. Watched this live and it’s a great watch, highly encourage watching the whole thing. It’s was done live today, so it covers the Jets game a lot, Josh, moving forward etc. Take away is that Diggs is in a great place and him and Von make for both an interesting and fun conversation. I don’t see signs of trouble here and he seems in great spirits and very open and candid. Any concerns people had after Monday don’t seem to be there and seems to have Josh’s back. Worth the watch, it’s a fun interview! I’d even say really a must watch, this lets you in with Diggs and puts to bed so much of the nonsense and noise.

have you ever liked one Bills player?

Fair points and good post. I will say while I think its fair to assume some of that takes place, there is an order progression generally on play designs. And a lot of plays are designed to get certain players open and often those players have route options based on the D and alignments they see.

The 12 personnel thing is a bit misleading though, they are just counting the times that both Knox and Kincaid were on the field at the same time where Kincaid was more lined up as a WR and wasn't as much in the sense of a traditional 12 personnel formation. Like Beane said, more like a 11.5 formation. Which is great, but still only 8 targets combined. And all good man, good counter points, thoughts and stuff, I don't find you rude at all. For me, it just felt like Josh would drop back and look downfield far too often and our game plan didn't prioritize attacking those shorter areas of the field to open up the downfield more. For me, if Josh has time to hold the ball and look down field then it doesn't feel like the primary or hot read was the short underneath that was open or he would have looked there first and fired. So either Dorsey is calling it and Josh ignores it often, or these shorter routes are too often later in the read progressions. Just doesn't feel like the quick strike and short throws have been a consistent part of this offense since Cole was here under Daboll. Not saying we never do it, but it doesn't feel like its often enough to me. I could be wrong and more of it is to come, but it just felt like the same Dorsey from last year. Calling long routes on down and short, running Cook and Allen on draws, not involving our TE's more. Kincaid and Knox were on the field together for 64% of the snaps, but each only had 8 total targets. If you are going to line up a TE at WR that often with another TE on the field, then it should be to exploit those mismatches and they should be the priority or hot read to the point to get more than 8 combined targets. Just my 2 cents...and hey its just one game where Allen played poorly, so hard to make any concrete conclusions anyway until we see more. But I went into that game with keen eyes on both our coordinators and how the offense and defense might look different from last year. And came away feeling good about McD and still concerned about whether Dorsey is the right fit for this gig. But its one game, not gonna panic either, just he didn't do anything to alleviate my concerns and of course Josh Allen did him no favors either.

This is the kind of over the top garbage that irks me. Most TD's in NFL history in first 5 years...several playoff passing records...17-3 TD:INT ration in the playoffs...passing stats in the playoffs that dwarf the overrated Burrow...leads the Bills to within EIGHT points of being undefeated last year despite terrible rash of injuries, including his own throwing elbow that most QB's would have missed 4-6 weeks for. He goes out and lays an egg. I have seen elite QB's, the greatest of all time, throw more INT's in a game than him. But now this one game and everyone is taking this steep negative view on him. Yes, he has the most turnovers since week 1 2022...you know who 2nd, 3rd and 4th are? Mahomes, Dak, and Stafford which includes the last 2 QB's to win a SB. And the turnover gets skewed with Allen because of the fumbles, but he isn't an interception machine like people like to use the total turnovers to suggest when comparing to other QB's. And while fumbles are still turnovers, Josh makes plays with his legs that no other QB can make and changes games and gets wins. When you are a QB who takes chances, some of them are not going to work out. And while he needs to reduce the turnovers, the sheer amount of points and offense he creates by playing with the crazy style he does brings a LOT more good to this team than bad. For all the "Josh Allen Issues" last year, the Bills were EIGHT points away from being undefeated. Josh is still the man...I am still VERY concerned about Dorsey being the right OC, but I haven't lost faith of confidence in Josh. I do think he really needs a big game for his confidence and psyche right now because we have a brutal stretch after thanksgiving where this offense needs to have its groove and swagger back by then.

These things below are not wrong per se, but they also do still relate to Dorsey too, not just Allen. Stop having Allen work mostly out of the Gun, especially when over center was so effective. Stop with so many 5 and 7 step drop backs and looking downfield first that require the OL to hold longer. Quick drops and fire short need to be MUCH more involved in our pass attack. We have a mamoth of a QB, he doesn't need to be in the gun so much or taking long 7 step drop backs to see the field and get the ball out, he isn't Drew Brees where he needs more space to see over lineman. This ties into the above. Stop calling QB runs, he isn't a fullback. Stop always pushing hard downfield and build a short area attack like KC where Mahomes gets like 30% of his passing yards on throws near or behind the LOS. KC doesn't run the ball a ton either, but they supplement it with their short pass attack that is really hard to defend. While this isn't wrong, this statement doesn't address the "why" these things happen. Allen isn't calling the plays, Dorsey is. Dorsey called a play with 5 targets for Allen on 3rd and short where the 4 WR's ran 15 yard routes and the RB was the only short option on the play call. It doesn't matter if there are 5 targets and 2 of them are short, if they are late in the progressions of reads on the play, then Allen may not reach them before he has decided to throw or run if doesn't trust the OL to hold. Again, you are fully blaming Allen for Kincaids lack of targets, but you can't say how many plays were even called to get him the ball. More often than not, he looked like a safety net route based on the deep drop back and downfield looks first while Kincaid often ran in the shallower areas on many of those plays. Allen 100% deserves the criticism he earned from this game, it was a poor game for him. But that doesn't mean there are not other things that contribute to these issues, and Dorsey IMHO has not shown at all to be a good OC last year, and week 1, his offense looked the same as it did last year in how he called the game and used his personnel. Good OC's tailor to their QB's strengths and weaknesses...Daboll has shown to be substantially better at that so far than Dorsey has with Allen.