Alphadawg7

Would I take Clark here at that price...of course...will it happen, I am skeptical given EDGE isn't really a position I think Beane or McD feels we need upgrades on. Groot, Floyd, and AJE have been stellar...Von just got back and should get stronger as the season goes on, and then we still got valued depth behind them. But at that price, I wouldn't rule it out depending on what the draft pick compensation would be. I mean that contract is now easy for us to bring in, so given the weakness created by injuries on the D, maybe they they will see him as insurance to make sure the pass rush is top notch which can also help mask other deficiencies in the secondary if we are consistently disrupting the QB up front rushing 4. So having more bodies to have fresh rushers rotating in all game is something they like to do, so I also won't rule this out.

Cant say a guy is misused when he couldn't stay on the field and wasn't capable of overtaking Singletary who outplayed him while they were both here. Devin had him beat in every metric, including broken tackles, yards after contact, yards per carry, etc etc. Moss didn't suck here, but he also didn't do anything to take the job from Devin. Now Moss is on a run first team with a much better OL. So yeah, lots of RB's will look better there than they would have looked in Buffalo during Moss's time here. But Moss wasn't the best RB on the roster during his tenure in Buffalo and that is why he didn't play a lot. Doesn't mean he wasn't a good RB, he just did not take the job from Devin and every time there might have been an opportunity to cut into Devins snaps he got hurt and set back again.

Sherfield is just fine, we aren't using him, heck we arent using Knox or Kincaid much either. The bottom line, unless we trade Gabe Davis in the trade to get a WR, that WR won't see any targets here to warrant the trade. Dorsey has not been good at all with incorporating the talent into the offense last year or this year. We are supposed to already have our stud weapons for Allen in Kincaid...but Dorsey doesn't use him or the other TE in Knox we paid a bunch of money to extend. Kincaid is averaging 6.9 yards per catch...any TE off the street can do that, you don't trade up in the first round to get a an athletic TE who can't block just to go out and throw short passes to. You go get a guy like that to exploit the seems, mismatches, and put pressure at all levels of the field on the defense to open up the whole offense. All I heard all offseason was "12 personnel"...well who cares about 12 personnel if you aren't throwing to your TE's. Knox is a very good TE...we didn't use him properly last year and now we have 2 TE's we don't use enough. So for me, unless Gabe Davis gets traded, any WR we bring in will have a very hard time getting any relevant targets and will be a waste of draft assets.

I woudnt count Hardman cuz he sucks and would be 5th on WR depth chart at best and honestly had he been here in camp may not have even made this roster.

No offense...but you're being a bit dramatic about this

Still disagree...its shows how much those details matter to Stefon, shows what kind of level he holds himself accountable for. This was a great answer by Allen IMHO

Fair enough, TBH I thought his stats were worse than that. But, Davis knows the offense and Allen knows Davis. Not sure adding Jeudy in midseason over Davis makes the offense better. Wilson is having a pretty good year actually and Jeudy is invisible in that offense.

We alrady have Jeudy...his name is Gabe Davis and he catches more TD's than Jeudy does. Not that interested in adding him. Better plan...lets someone sit Dorsey down and teach him how to use the actual weapons here like Kincaid more. Then if we make a trade, its to bolster someplace we actually have a deficiency at right now.

Yup, and those people were crazy iMO for suggesting it...I mean AJE quietly had 6.5 sacks last year playing part time and for a DC allergic to creating sacks on the QB. Speaking of Boogie...doesnt seem like he is doing much with NYG either...we clearly made the right choice

I mean we did sign Rapp, so I don't think its fair to say we "trusted 2 old safeties" as they did bring in more depth and help there and Rapp would start on several teams. Also, hard to fault any of Beanes decisions on the defense when after 4 weeks we were first in Interceptions, takeaways and sacks plus 2nd in points allowed. This included being the only D that held the Miami offense in check all season. Injuries like you said are outside of his control, but even after being down those guys early, this defense still had only surrendered 11 points late into the 4th quarter while playing a fresher team in London. So the depth and quality of the players on this team is a credit to Beane. I know you are not knocking Beane, just expanding on these comments. PS: Not directed at you per se...but to those upset he "missed" on Elam...I mean is that even a fair assessment this soon? Elam was solid and contributed down the stretch last year...so everyone is now saying we missed on him is based on him not being active yet this year and off his first game since last January. But there is plenty of time for Elam to continue to develop and to call him a miss this early is premature IMHO. Go back a few weeks ago and most people were still saying we missed on AJE...yet here he is playing at a high level finally getting some chances to get real reps and get out from being buried. For all we know, as the season goes on Elam may do just the same as she showed plenty of potential as a rookie last year and then got buried behind some pretty good corners in Tre, Benford, and Dane coming into this season as he still had some stuff to work on.

All fair points as well bud

I don't disagree with any of that...but that doesn't change the mathematical realities facing this team specifically about winning the division I was discussing. Like I said in my last post, we each have 12 games remaining, one of which is against each other in the last game of the season and Miami currently has a 1 game lead on us. For us to for sure win the division, we need to at least match their win total over the next 11 games. There is no path to the divisional title if Miami has a better record than us in the next 11 games. Week 17 win: If we do at the every least match their win total in the next 11 games and win in week 17, then we have a tied record with the head to head tie breaker having swept the series. Week 17 loss: The only way we can win the division while losing week 17 is if Miami finishes with a worse record than us even with a win in week 17 by them. That means the Fins must lose 3 more games than us in the next 11 games, which doesn't seem likely barring injuries to key players. So my post wasn't about whether we can still be a good team or not, it was about the difficulty of winning the division just went up significantly between 2 bad losses to Jets and Jags coupled with losing 3 key players on defense. There is no margin of error, we have to match Miami win for win over the next 11 games.

The only way they trade AJE is if they already decided he isn't a long term plans kind of player. And I doubt they have made that decision after he is having a breakout through these injury opportunities. Him and Groot could anchor our Edge rush a long time if he keeps playing at this level and shows its not just some little short lived hot streak.

Tre, Milano, Daquan...our 3 best players at each level of the D. I hate to say it, but winning the division just became very difficult. We are already a game behind Miami and still have to face them again in Miami. Jones and Milano were huge in our win the first time, missing them and Tre automatically for the rematch already dramatically changes that matchup. We each have 12 games left, one of those is the second head to head in Miami. If Dolphins win that rematch, that would mean they would have a 2 game lead on us and a better divisional record, meaning we would need to win 3 more games than them over the other remaining 11 games. So Miami would need to go 8-3 and we would need to be 11-0 over those 11 games which we face Chiefs, Eagles, and Bengals still amongst others. We already have 2 losses to mid-tier teams as it is. And if we lose even 1 of those games, that means Miami then needs to go 7-4 in their 11 games. Now if we beat Miami again, then winning the division gets a little more achievable, but would still have very little margin of error as we would still need to at least match Miamis record over the other 11 games. If they win even 1 more game than us, they still win the division. And if Miami wins the division, that means a probable playoff game in Miami where we won't have weather to help counter some of that speed and will likely be down at least 3 of our best players on defense (unless Milano or Jones can make it back for playoffs). So the hard truth here is that the 2 losses vs Jets and Jags which we should have won now loom large divisionally, and to add to our challenge we must be near perfect the rest of the season to realistic have a shot at winning the division without at least 3 of our best defensive players.

Davis also had a 2nd drive killing bad drop on 3rd down. But, an unrelated penalty negated the play so the drop is wiped from his resume, but doesn't change the fact he dropped a 2nd drive killing pass on 3rd down.

Yes, this is the play I am referring to that was one of our first few drives.

All fair points prior to today. But week in and week out of winning on that football field this season, Daquan is of higher importance of being on the field than Von given the players we have at Edge already and the importance of Jones in the middle.

No disresptect...but let me update your list. 1. Matt Milano 2. Daquan Jones . . 3. Tre White 4. Von Miller I love Tre White and Von Miller...but their importance to this team are not on the same level as Milano and Jones right now. Jones has been the best DT in football the first 4 weeks and was hurt doing what he does blowing up 3rd down to force 3 and out on the first drive. This team can live without Tre and proven that as Bills have had statisticaly the best secondary in the NFL over the past 3 seasons coming in despite Tre missing basically a season and a half of that between the injury and then not being near himself when he first returned. Von, while he was great last year before being hurt, isn't nearly as essential this year with Floyd here, Groot growing more, and AJE emerging. So while I am excited to see if he can get back, even if he does, the pass rush isn't going to get the same boost given how well the others are playing compared to how much Milano boosts the defense when he is on the field and Jones boosts the interior play at DT when he is.

Im not gonna dispute the fact this team tends to start slow...I say it all the time, the defense tends to give up an early easy TD before it clamps down. Never understood why, on one hand its good to see in game adjustments work so often, but what is going wrong in the pregame script that keeps the players and D from coming out that way is a legit question. But this defense has been amongst the the best in the NFL this year and much better under McD than Frazier To slam the D like the OP is...well...its just absurd. No team is perfect, plenty of things anyone can nit pick at with any team most weeks. But the defense has been great. We lost against the Jets because of Dorsey and Allens poor decisions pressing too hard. We lost against the Jags because Dorsey is a moron and went away from everything we excel at...again. That is the point here...to point fingers at the defense who still kept the Jags at 11 points late into the 4th missing 5 of its best players is incredibly misguided.

Wait...wait..wait...did you just double down on this already horrible take by slamming the D in the previous 4 weeks too? The same D giving up the 2nd fewest points in the NFL with the most sacks, turnovers, and interceptions in the league??? The only D to shut down Miami too? The same D that held Hill to 3 catches for like 53 yards? The fist D to sack Tua all year? Wow...just when I thought this take couldn't go and get worse you one up it. Kudos, didn't see that coming

Let me see if I understand you...the defense losing its best players is an excuse...the same defense who entered the London game BEFORE losing most those players was: 2nd fewest points allowed Largest margin of victory in NFL First in sacks First in Interception First in takeaways And that is despite the fact we faced the top offense in the NFL in Miami, still the only team to shut them down and first to sack Tua. But its an excuse when that same defense enters the game missing its starting corners in Tre and Benford and its best DE in Groot...then loses its best overall player in Milano and what had been the best DT in the NFL so far this year in Jones. That is an excuse? Guys who missed the game, exited the game, or had to miss plays in the game with injuries or other issues: Tre, Benford, Groot, Milano, Jones, Von, Taron, and AJE. I mean, that wouldn't be a terrible start to a pro bowl roster, and that is an excuse? And YET we still had only gave up 11 points until late into the 4th quarter. Come on...this thread is unreal. The defense was utterly gutted and devastated Sunday. Jones played 4 snaps for crying out loud, one of which where he got hurt was a massive tackle for loss to force a 3 and out. Excuses...you mean facts.

Yeah...ummmm...I think your expectations are a tad high on this one. Glad he is here for depth, but hoping he will go out there and shine suddenly after over a decade in the league feels like a reach

This. I mean I don't really understand how this thread can even exist today TBH

Fair points all around there. Still doesn't change my concern about what it will be like to play Miami in Miami down Tre, Milano, and possibly Jones for the whole game. Like you said, you would expect Allen to put up 50 there...Tua and that offense have the same capability to capitalize on those players missing. Not to mention the other tough offenses in the AFC and NFC we will face down the stretch, playoffs, or Super Bowl if we reached it. Don't get me wrong, I am still optimistic the defense can still be good enough, but at the same time, Dorsey and this offense need to be on point moving forward, and my confidence in Dorsey is not very high right now.

I can't find anything as of yet, but all the talk has been as if we are losing him for the season. Just wondering if it's been confirmed yet or not that he did tear his pec. I know I have been operating off the assumption he is lost for the season, but that is just soley based on everyone else's talk like he is, yet I still can't find anything that says he is actually out for the season and the pec is torn. Hoping it is still possible its a strain or something versus it being a torn pec...so am I missing something, or is it still possible he isn't lost for the season?