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Gabe got open downfield and he didn’t have a great 40 time right? Shakir and Samuel are plenty fast enough and now you have MVS. One of the stats I have seen is that league wide only 1% of throws last year covered 40 yards or more in the air, so it seems this deep threat stuff is overblown. And getting guys open in the intermediate zones is about scheme, which is why I started a thread about this season being all about Brady. If you put out Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, and Cook that’s a lot for a defense to account for. Your last sentence says a lot. We have a star QB. This season is about Brady and his game plans and schemes so the great QB can thrive.

I always keep expectations low when I’m uncertain. A lot of uncertainty with the Bills. I just don’t think everything will go our way. Last year they were 6-6 and I predicted they’d finish 7-10. I know what I’m talking about. 😉

Well, yes, I've never heard of it, and therefore I would have assumed that it is "fake news" or at least news that is pre-spun to support a particular agenda. Of course, the fact that we hit Dow 40K is in no way fake.

I'd like to suggest a modification to the thread title. Instead of "Bills visit with Gable Stevenson," it should be, "Brandon Beane and a star-struck Sean McDermott visit with Gable Stevenson."

It makes zero sense to cut Von Miller, retool year or not with the dead cap it would incur. He also took a voluntary pay cut. As for Jones and Douglas, they are on pretty reasonable short term contracts (1 year for Douglas, 2 years for Jones) so I don't really think that is relevant to your argument. They do need to have some actual players on the roster to field a team. The point is, this year isn't the year to pretend the cap isn't real like the Saints and Rams and just blow through it like a credit card by pulling every cap lever at Beane's disposal (restructures, void year, etc). I'm pretty sure Beane literally said something like that (we need to build for now and the future). FWIW, I'm glad those older guys are gone as I agree they were washed (except maybe Morse). But as a result, this season we will have young players in starter roles. It will be a growth/development year. The Chiefs won the SB during their retool/cap reset year, and there is no reason we can't also as long as we have Allen.

To be fair be fair the way he lists people and then that "..." that implies he just kept going so they skipped ahead, it sounds like he was high as hell. Which isn't exactly a great look either.

Another thread about Troy Franklin and bemoaning us only taking Coleman in the Draft. Yay! If their talent were "undeniable" - Mitchell wouldn't have lasted until 52 and Troy Franklin all the way until Round 4. Character flaws or not. And the league has been littered with incredibly talented college prospects that flamed out because their head wasn't screwed on straight. Troy Franklin had as bad of a Pre-Draft process as I've ever seen. Beyond that, although you seem to deny it, I saw a lot of flaws in his game tapes beyond the highlights. And reportedly he absolutely BOMBED when it came to meeting with teams. Reportedly leading them to believe he only played Football as a means to get money and didn't really seem to care for the game. AD Mitchell bombed it even worse. Reportedly he seemed downright annoyed by the whole interview process and like he didn't even want to be there. Combined with his tape of taking off plays where the ball wasn't going his way and the reports of how he treats (or doesn't treat) his diabetes, how he acts when his blood sugar is low, and that you'd pretty much have to babysit him, against his wishes - I'd say the character concerns were extremely valid and explains his falling. College game tape isn't the be all, end all. Talent means nothing if you don't have your head screwed on straight. And there was a lot of things that led teams to think both were risky propositions.

You know, I really want to believe this. I honestly do. Benjamin was, in fact, a #1 WR in Carolina for 2 seasons, sandwiching a year on IR. And while it wasn't as good, projecting out his first 8 games he might well have finished as their #1 in 2017 with the Ghost of Cam Newton throwing to him. Kerley was actually leading SF in receptions and receiving yards in 2016 with Kaepernick throwing to him. He was suspended then cut half the 2017 season with the Jets and Josh McCowan, but certainly could have called him #3. I think it's fair to say in hindsight, he had nothing left and got suspended for PEDs because he was trying to flog his body through a season. It lasted 1 game here. You may be right. The Curtis Samuel signing was reminiscent of Beasley to me - steady guy who has produced consistently from the slot. I'm not sure who is analogous to Brown, though? The thing is, Diggs did NOT have to go to "get us out" of cap trouble. It would have cost us less cap this year, and at least allowed us to shop at Price Cutter or Aldi.

I'm not being silly. It's actually very simple. Every single offense has a certain percentage of plays throughout the season where nobody gets open in time. Sometimes the defensive coverage just flat out wins. We can agree on this, yes? It follows that less talented offenses will have a higher percentage of those plays. So that's the other failing of this whole concept. "Just throw it to the open guy" is the kind of point you make in May when you're far enough away from watching games that you forget what NFL football looks like. The Bills already faced the highest man coverage percentage of any offense in the league last year. That wasn't a coincidence and it's not going to change until we give defenses a reason to fear it. Defenses last year figured out quickly they could just 1v1 us to death and trust that nobody on our side would win their matchup. Especially once Diggs fell off a cliff that was an easy strategy to follow and only Josh Allen magic tricks were able to overcome it with any level of consistency.

Which is a mistake - only 2 or 3 of those guys are worth it. When do 4 or 5 WRs really hit in one round? You're passing up other vital pieces chasing WR 1 that’s actually a likely bust when you can draft one in RD 3 or 4 or 5 and have as good a chance to hit as you would on WR 7 in RD 1. If all the WRs taken in RD 1 are hits then I mean we have scouting down to a science. An exact one. I want elite WRs to - but I value the elite QB behind an elite oline way more then elite QB with elite WR and mid oline play or worse. What good is having the WR then?

I'm not sure we're all that far apart. This is how I saw it a few days ago and how I still see it today. Beane got the Bills into cap trouble and he had to get us out. That meant Diggs had to go. And the departures of Diggs and Davis left the cupboard pretty bare without a lot of money to shop with. When you don't have a lot of money, you shop at the Dollar Store. But Beane's tried to go out and get guys with potential upside. Claypool, for example, was once a productive wideout. MVS has speed and has put together a couple of okay years. While it's Beane's fault that we're in this situation I'm not complaining about his efforts to now manage it the best he can without mortgaging the future. If you don't agree, that's fine. I'm not sure what value you add when you make remarks about me liking to get kicked in the nuts and drink piss. It's not an intelligent argument nor is it a kind or respectful thing to say. Luck and circumstance have sh*t on us Bills fans enough. It puzzles me that we'd want to add to that by sh*tting on each other.

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Yeah, there's definitely no difference between an Olympic Gold Medal Winning, 2 Time NCAA Heavyweight National Champion Wrestler, to literally any Bills fan 🙄

I don't think HappyDays is being entirely facetious here. I don't want to get into a p*ssing match about what constitutes "throwing downfield" (official NFL stats count it as >20 yds from the LOS) and whether vertical passing wins playoff games. I have been highly puzzled by folks who don't seem to think we need a downfield, vertical threat at WR but who also talk about forcing defenses to cover the entire field. The thing being, if there isn't enough of a downfield, vertical threat to scare the opposing DC, defenses choke down on the short and intermediate stuff. 3.4 yds per attempt moves the chains, but it requires precise and mistake-free football to perambulate the football down the field and score that way. We don't know what Coleman is in the NFL, but some of the film on him in college suggests that he struggles to get open vertically downfield, and is at his best as a "big slot". Since I like sources I'll dish: Cover1 / NFL Draft Profile / Greg Cosell on OBL pre-day 2 : post draft Samuel can get open, true, but in his best season in Carolina he had two 1000+ yd WR playing with him. In Washington, he had Terry McLaurin. It's a lot easier to eat as a slot if you've got a good boundary receiver drawing attention away from you. Samuel has never been a #1 and more than likely, that may be an unrealistic expectation. Similar comments about Shakir and Kincaid - both had good seasons last year, behind Diggs and his 107 receptions for 1183 yards and Gabe Davis with his 45 receptions for 746 yds (mostly deep, 17 y/r on average). Again, it's a different challenge for these guys to get open when they're #2-4 on the WR depth chart vs. without that #1 drawing attention

This group is much better, primarily because nobody in the 2018 WR room was productive enough to even be a #4 for any other team. They were abyssmal. We have no clear #1 in 2024, but I am certain that any of Shakir, Samuel, Coleman and maybe even MVS as they are today could have been the clear #1 option if they were in the 2018 group. In addition, Allen has Kincaid and Knox at TE instead of Charles Clay and Jason Croom. A more fair comparison would be to the 2019 WR Group of Beasley, Brown, McKenzie, Roberts, Knox and Kroft.

You need to mine your own data by using the search function or in this recent case tallying posts manually on user profiles. It has multiple posts per hour going back 17 hours.

I wanted to come back to this. Yes I think Allen will hit 4,000 yards passing, although I'm not quite as certain as I want to be. His passing YPG last year was his lowest since 2019. That coincided with him not having a true #1 WR for the last 10 or so games. Clearly that limitation matters, the numbers prove it. Still he's an elite QB playing behind what's likely to be a top 10ish OL. 4,000 passing yards is the expectation. My question is who steps up for him in critical moments in critical games and in the playoffs? There's a really really really wide gulf between being a top 5 regular season team and winning a Super Bowl, as the Bills have exemplified better than anybody in recent memory. Those critical plays in critical moments are what bridge that gulf - it's why the Chiefs have won three Super Bowls - and it can't just be one player capable of making those plays. The whole notion of just "spreading the ball around" is fine for winning a lot of games, but it fails when you need somebody to make a special play and close out a game that matters. The game that gets you the #1 seed or gets you one round further in the playoffs. I think the gap between the two sides in this discussion is closer than it appears. Nobody thinks the Bills offense is going to suck this year. I'm sure everybody agrees it will hover around top 5ish pretty much no matter what and we'll make it to the divisional round pretty much no matter what. It's that next massive step that I worry about. The pure production numbers will all look great but we'll still be sitting here next February with the same disappointment and the same discussions playing out. Nobody will be able to put their finger on exactly why we failed but I guarantee it will be because of 5-6 individual moments throughout the season and playoffs that could have been made by more special players. As to your 2nd question - I think someone will hit 1,000 yards but again I'm not as confident as I'd like to be. And again I just don't really care that much. The better question is how many game changing special plays will players not named Josh Allen make? Plays like Garrett Wilson juggling and catching a one handed rebound against Tre White in the season opener. Courtland Sutton making a stunning toe tapping catch in the corner of the endzone on a prayer of a throw. Jake Elliott nailing a 60 yarder in the driving rain. For 99% of those games you might say the two teams were equal, for better or worse. That final 1% was closed by one player making one play and they certainly weren't wearing a Bills jersey.

What if AD and Troy Franklin totally suck? Then our WR corps still sucks AND our defense sucks. You just wasted picks. At the end of the day, just trust your draft board and all the work you put into it.

He’s done more good for the faith in 48 hours than Francis has done in 11 years. And all the Left had to do was be normal and not care. They can’t help their anger and guilt over being liars and wrong about everything.

I can’t believe this is not a primetime night game

Wow. No shame. They know their readers haven’t watched the speech. What total scum.

WHERE ARE THE STATS ON THIS SITE ????