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Do we even carry 5 LBs who can walk?

I don’t think they will. As someone pointed out, Boldin actually signed with us, retired, then subsequently asked Beane/Bills to release him so he could sign with another team. Beane said Nope! Hopefully he does the same in this situation.

Throw in "Zat you, Santa Claus??" and you have the trifecta of annoying Christmas songs!!

I still think the Bills were the better team and should have won the game but that Giants team was really good and I think sometimes that gets lost in the mix because they upset San Fran and won the game on a missed kick. If anything that Giants team is probably underrated in the annals of NFL history

Clearly. And I would put forth that yours is rooted in math and highlight reels while mine is simply based on actual football. You are free to rely on yours to advance your agenda and I am free to rely on mine to discuss what actually happened. 🤷‍♂️

you would never have to suffer through "Big Game Dak" threads....or many playoff games.

kind of a morbid "win-win" situation for the Bills. If they win, they are almost a virtual lock to make the playoffs, If they lose there is a good chance they don't make it to the playoffs which will force a reassessment of the makeup of this team, the coaching and the general management (aka Beane); could be what they really need rather than surrounding Allen with less than B capable players. close one but the Bengals get a two-score lead in the first half and simply run the Bills D to death in the second half. Pussycats 27 Bills 23

Have fun guys as I’m not running through this again after 34 years, the six days before I moved her to tampa for that SB, and suffered through that loss across the street at the Tampa Mall with a movie screen and radio station vans. There were by game time 11-14,000 fans across from the Sombrero. Enjoy the debate. If you feel we should at time be a cover defense, not attacking, no argument, including tomorrow. We should win.

Exactly. Why hypothesize otherwise? The results are that, after 12 games, Allen has already been sacked twice as many times as last season and will easily ecclipse his # of scrambles (already at 38 compared to 42 last season) and pressure %

Interesting to me that people on this board hold Zack Taylor in higher regard than McD....

If you think that's dominating a football game from a defensive end, then we have an extremely different definition of what the word, "dominating" means.

Bottom line Coleman isnt nearly as fast or football athletic as Moulds. I dont care Coleman played basketball, he just isnt asgood a player.

I have some unique items, like a kitchen apron worn by Rob Johnson at a pre-season Bills charity event at the stadium.

OH THE HUMANITY

That would be all of us. We also saw what a high-maintenance pain in the ass he was going to be. He's playing for a big contract and he still can't hide his crappy attitude and narcissism. Buyer beware.

I had high hopes for Coleman, based on flashes during his rook campaign. He 'changed', after Poyer leveled him. Discipline issues aside, he seems to be a little bit more, than a one-trick pony.

All Day Ray , I hope he busts out against the Bengals.

I’m going to be very direct here, because you’ve drifted the conversation away from objective information. Pass block win rate has nothing to do with a quarterback’s mobility. The definition is clear: it measures whether the lineman sustains his block for 2.5 seconds. Josh Allen escaping a sack does not change that metric. So the ongoing argument that “Allen makes the O-line look better than it is” simply doesn’t apply to PBWR. In 2024, with the same five starters we have now, the Bills ranked among the best pass-blocking units in the league according to ESPN’s PBWR and SI’s grading. That isn’t opinion; that’s league-wide data. Regarding Hoecht, the point isn’t that 64 snaps guarantee elite production. It’s that those snaps showed real disruption, power, and motor, which are exactly the traits the Bills have lacked on the edge. When you combine that with Oliver’s hot start and Bosa’s talent, it’s reasonable to believe the defensive front would have improved. That’s a roster-based evaluation, not an emotional one. As for the claim that “the Rams defense got better without Hoecht,” that doesn’t really prove anything. Hoecht wasn’t a full-time starter there, and a defense improving or regressing year to year has far more to do with scheme changes, coaching shifts, draft picks, and overall depth than any single rotational defensive lineman. One player does not define a defense, especially one who wasn’t in a primary role. At this point, the difference between our perspectives is simple. I’m basing my view on data such as PBWR, and the actual construction of the defensive front. Your response is based on subjective impressions and assumptions. We can disagree, but it’s important to acknowledge which arguments come from measurable facts and which come from emotion. BTW: Take a look at this thread for info on the O-line this year:

He practically hired Beane.

lulz

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