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This Moore love is hilarious. He is only 5'9" 183. He has been on 3 teams in 5 years. Not a good look, must be a reason.

That is kind of a fun hypothetical for this year. I'd make the assumption they brought Hollins back if they drafted McConkey. Who'd you rather have as WR's in 11 personnel... Coleman, Shakir, Palmer/Samuel or Hollins, McConkey, Palmer/Samuel?

I was a teenager back then. And those teams were awful.

None of them other than Addonai Mitchell played a full season and Mitchell didn't not start any of them from what I can tell or see.

And Marv and Bill Polian worked together in KC and Montreal.

Lol it's way way way up since the Joe Biden says. It went up that high after the election. I thought the protests were going to put them out of business?

Wow Good ole days Our Bills have been a long series of trial and tribulation , and more These are the days to be happy and celebrate !

Ah yes, thanks for the correction.

I take it the Pats crushed it in the 7th this year. Who’d they get?

We bought in our ace, Charlie Morton

Marv was head coach of the Chiefs 1978-1982.

Ramon Laureano isn’t terrible as a player but the O’s signing him was Ike an April Fool’s joke. Nice line for Gibson today.

AI is useful for some things... "The Buffalo Bills' worst five-year stretch, based on win percentage, was from 1967 to 1971, with a 19% win rate. During this period, they had records of 4-10, 1-12-1, 4-10, 3-10-1, and 1-13 for a total record of 13-55-2." Over a 17 game schedule this would be the equivalent of the Bills averaging 3.3 wins and 13.7 losses per season. Imagine winning less than once every 5 games over a five season period. Let that sink in next time you want to whine about McBeane.

I really don't get the Moore hype and that would be disappointing if Coleman wasn't the week 1 starter. His rookie year he was basically tied for the lead in snap count percentage per game started with Hollins among WR's. I'm guessing it will be mostly a three man rotation (Coleman, Palmer, Samuel) for our outside WR spots in 11 and 12 personnel formations.

I'm hard pressed to think of a meaningful game the Niners won because of Purdy. His skill set is somewhere in the Jared Goff range

Or Naval Nuke training?

😂 Right off the bat. It hasn't happened to a significant effect yet. Implying that there's actual evidence of any mental decline with Trump. He's the same brash narcissist he's always been. The guy gives off the cuff press conferences with a hostile media on a near daily basis. Please with this nonsense. Again 😂 When they did mention it, which was rarely, it was to tell you that the right was lying to you about his decline. Cheap fakes. Don't believe your lying eyes. Going to the most secure election in US history as well...lol Fox News and more recently Newsmax are the primary right leaning TV news outlets. So? 10% maybe. Again Im not denying that all news sources have bias, and that your stated effort to try to cull news from varying sources in attempt to cut through the BS is what I've often said in this very cesspool of a forum. But again, you're talking about slanted coverage. I'm talking about blatant lying propaganda. Did you need any news outlet to tell you that Biden's brain is pudding or could you arrive at that conclusion via your own powers of observation? Did you need the media to tell you covid came from the Wuhan market case closed or did it perhaps warrant an investigation that it might have come from a lab instead of censoring and canceling those who knew the lab leak was plausible? These are two of the biggest stories of the past century and you were blatantly lied to and propagandized by the democrat party and legacy media on both of them. You should be pissed off. But sure, Fox News.

Yeah, I was at that Dallas game too. The win was euphoric after what we had been through. I was sitting in the upper deck with a buddy and his dad. We had almost the entire section to ourselves. There were maybe two other guys down 7-8 rows and over 20 seats, and a couple more people maybe like 20 rows in front of us. I mean the upper deck was sparse of people. And more than a few fans at the game wore brown bags over their heads (in embarrassment of the team). No question the 17-year drought was tough and obviously longer. But, I don't think you guys appreciate how truly bad those earlier years were. 1976: We go 2-12 and coach Saban is replaced by Jim Ringo 1977: We go 3-11, and O.J. gets traded away to San Francisco 1978: We go 5-11...but there is some hope with new coach Chuck Knox. 1979: We improve to 7-9. 1980: We finally have a team, under Knox's direction, and go 11-5, making the playoffs (but losing our first playoff game in the divisional round). 1981: Success under Knox continues with a 10-6 season, a playoff berth, and our first playoff win since 1966 in the Wild Card game (lost in div round). 1982: Strike shortened year. We go 4-5. And Chuck Knox leaves Buffalo. If you youngins never lived through a strike year, let me tell you. it's not fun. Lost games, scab players, etc. A strike year alone feels like 2-3 years of the drought at least. 1983: Welcome aboard coach Kay Stevenson 🤦‍♂️. We draft Jim Kelly #14 overall and he refuses to play in Buffalo (because we're so bad). He leaves for the USFL and the Bills go 8-8. 1984: 2-14 1985: 2-14 Stevenson is dumped and we bring on coach Hank Bullough 🤦‍♂️. 1986: There is hope with the return of Jim Kelly, but we go 4-12 and change coaches mid-season, hiring some unknown coach who was a special teams coordinator for the Chiefs (Marv Levy). 1987: Marv's first (almost) full year we go 7-8, in another strike shortened year. Yes, two strikes, two shortened seasons in 6 years. [1988 would be the start of the 90s Bills team as we knew it.] So, it wasn't a playoff drought (thanks to Chuck Knox in 1980 and 1981), but it was 12 pretty rough years overall (not just two bad years). I grew up in Rochester, the stadium never sold out, so there was a TV blackout for most of the games. Which meant if you didn't go to the game, you had to listen to it on the radio. I probably heard more games than I saw during some of those years. Our winning percentage during the drought was .412%. Our winning percentage during these 12 years was .361% (despite making the playoffs 2 years). It was bad times. Six seasons with 4 or fewer wins. Seven seasons with 5 or fewer wins. Two strikes. Six different coaches in 12 years. During the drought, we only had two seasons with 4 or fewer wins. Three seasons with 5 or fewer wins (in 17 years rather than 12). Six coaches in 17 years. Both periods were rough (as was '67-'72, as OldMan pointed out, though I was not around/too young to remember those years).

I haven't read very much of this thread, because I agree with Happy here. There are a lot of really interesting arguments being made one way or another, but I think the real answer is that Beane and McDermott saw exactly what they getting and they saw a fit based on what they want the receiver room to look like. Now, that plan for the receiver room may be a bad plan and won't work well, but we at least can be sure that (1) they knew what they were getting and (2) they had reasons for taking a guy with the limitations that several people are pointing out here. Second, my view of the 2025 draft now makes me see the 2024 a little more clearly. I think the draft philosophy generally is take guys with solid floors and intriguing high ceilings. I think the first four picks in 2025 follow that rule, and Coleman, Bishop, Carter, Davis do too. The disappointing think about Coleman to date is that least his floor was at least shaky. We haven't yet seen whether he can reach a high ceiling. As for Kincaid, we'll see. He showed a better floor as a rookie, but showed no progress last season. Injuries may have caused that. So, for both Kincaid and Coleman, this is a big season. I think we'll see at least one of them go off.

That has been true. But each has to perform in their role Coleman has much to prove But certainly much to early call him a bust A fine post here . thanks

Probablydoing a Ramadan style "hunger strike". Do not eat when the sun is up but pig out after it sets.

Yeah I agree with that FWIW. They set Coleman up to fail by having no backup plan in place and not enough talent around him to draw attention. If they expected him to hit the ground running that was a mistake. To be fair, Coleman is also responsible for his own failures in the back half of the season if it's true that he didn't attack his rehab as vigorously as he needed to.

I have a hard time understanding this take. We are now a perennial contender that scored a ton of points last year, and upgraded our receivers in my opinion, and we're going to talk about poor management? Not me. I'll take this regime over the drought.

Let get to 100 pages before he is released!!

I don't blame the fans for being impatient because if he was drafted as a long-term project and not expected to make an impact then the Bills should have had far more talent and depth at WR. The Bills, because of their own poor management over the last 5-7 years, NEED Keon Coleman to be an impact player-- they needed it last year too and failed to accomplish the ultimate goal when it didn't happen. It's not the fans' fault, it's Sean McDermott, Brandon Beane, and ultimately Terry Pegula's fault.