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Honestly, to your point if he played like an average QB in the league the situation isnt Armageddon but I just don't think that is realistic to expect him to play like a 15,16,17 type QB. Another major factor to me is that the defense was down right bad last year... unless it improves significantly this year I don't think a middling offense is going to win more than 6 games... so rankings etc aside... the Bills needed to score 21 points or more last year 11 times to win games (this included those that they lost) sometimes they needed over 40... (the average team scored 21/22 points last year... so to me the question would be how many times would the Bills score 21 points or more in a game with Mitch and crew...well, I just cant see him playing like a top 20 qb but lets set the bar at 21 points anyways... knowing that sometimes they would need more than 21... that slides us into the 20/21 spot in over all offense. Now, if our defense who gave up 21.6 points per game regresses without Josh, which I think it will (think about all those long time consuming drives that they had a seat last year and watched being replaced by a ton of 3 or 6 and outs...) I am not sure you get more than 6 or 7 wins overall... To me the Josh factor extends to both sides of the ball... so yes there were several quick strikes... but he made his money on long 5 minute beat you down drives... that to me adds up to bad things for a mediocre at best defense... now, with our additions does it get better, we will see... but going off of last year it doesnt look good to me. Now, to your point... what would KCs record be? Or Baltimore? etc... you lose a player of that caliber you got problems... they are the molding that covers all of the imperfections on your team... Lets hope we don't have to find out who is right here... just sayin..

You aren't getting many wins with Trubisky or White at QB. What the Bills need to do is start developing Josh-beta: a young backup that can play like and run a similar offense to Josh. Big, physical, mobile. Someone like Bryce Perkins.

You lost me entirely on the defense. The 2024 Bills defense were 11th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed, true. But on a per drive basis, they were horrific. 5th best starting position, but 25th in time allowed, 23rd in plays, 26th in yards allowed, 18th in points allowed. Along with a truly ghastly 3rd down % that was 29th in the league, and a RZ% that was bang on league average at 16th. The 2024 defense was a function of the offense shortening the game, playing more ball control, and thankfully, being so hyper-efficient in some blowouts that it made the defense just one of the worst in the league rather than THE worst in the league. And we all know who that was thanks to, the guy who won MVP for dragging that offense to those heights. Mack Hollins led the team in TDs. 4 win roster without Josh.

VHS or Beta?

What that does not tell is that Tua has Hill and Waddle....and Josh has a bunch of nobody's !!!!

Don't tell me what to do, man....

Glad that's what you got out of what I said. This war has been a long time coming. I was expecting this soon after 10/7. We know. We lived through the past 4 years...

So take the next step and list your all time top eleven starting lineup on offense and defense. You can even add in a kicker, punter, and return man.

Yes.

First episode is up on the WKBW web site. Good stuff! https://www.wkbw.com/sports/buffalo-bills/fandemonium/this-is-going-to-change-my-life-reliving-buffalo-bills-memories-inside-their-historic-stadium

What are your favorite moments at this stadium (whether you watched it live or on TV). I have been watching the Bills since 1990... Special moments: *. Nothing beats the comeback game *. Squishing the Fish in the AFC playoff game (Don Shula's final game)...Thomas ran over them along with his buddies *. 51-3 beating of the raiders on the way to the SB * Flutie's keeper to beat the Jaguars * 31-0 beatdown of the Patriots and Tom Brady...A rarity...delivered by Bledsoe and the punishing Defense * The 21-pt comeback win engineered by Fitzpatrick in 2011....once again against Brady Recently * The first game against the Vikings....start of the leap over the defense....start of the great things to come. * The Perfect Game --- Vintage Josh Allen Show on a beautiful winter night in Orchard Park * The 2-TD via Kick Return by Hines right after the sad game against the Bengals when they almost lost their teammate. * The 400 yard game against Seattle right after Josh's grandmother's death following by the $17 donations to Oshai Hospital * The two divisional round wins over Baltimore....ending Lamar's season. * The 49ers game last season....a Rushing TD, a passing TD and a receiving TD...what more can your QB do? * The 61-yard FG to beat the Dolphins...what a kick !!!!

I don't call him Bullstojan for nothing.

"They're deporting criminal illegals! I gots to have me some free synthetic motor oil!"

Chinese collusion...

Is that what you said when you posted a link from The Blade? Nobody’s judging, just making observations.

What’s disgusting? Expand

Just checking in!

Yeah...I feel weirdly protective of her (You better not hurt her, Josh, or you'll have to answer to me.), and I attribute this to her role in True Grit. Love that movie and because of her acting in it, I always think of her as little Mattie Ross.

You aren’t following along with the conversation very well. Another L for you. jacobin, huh? Not surprised in the least.

It will be a magical moment when this stadium draws the curtains for the final time, as they send the Bills off to the super bowl. It is our time now !!!

I remember when SC changed the law to prohibit open containers. I was PISSED that I didn’t know it was legal up until then!

I think the average fan forgets this. We are talking about world class athletes, in their prime physical condition, at their absolute dumbest time of their lives. They do not simply work out and study film all off season. Is there risk in basketball? Yep. However, I’d be far more concerned about 100 other activities I can think of off the top of my head.

He’s correct. They estimate anywhere from 4-6 million protested. https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-kings-biggest-protest-u-172552711.html https://jacobin.com/2025/06/no-kings-protests-trump-popularity

You folks have become beyond disgusting. Brainwashed cult. Zero empathy for anyone not in the cult.

Eventually you will be right about something. I will be first in line to give you credit.