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Fair. I do think if he played at a similar level for the next 4 years or so, even without extra hardware, that he gets in. The mvp last season really strengthens his case. Ya Mahomes would for sure- Why do you say Lamar out of curiosity, because of the multiple mvps, all pros etc? Of that list you have- I have him below Brady, brees and Rodgers for sure. Big Ben is probably slightly ahead of him now, but i think that changes. And got Josh ahead over Rivers, Ryan, Eli. JMO

Probably drop one to the Pats. Seem to have issues with them the most.

To think he needs a Lombardi to get in the HOF is ridiculous, just ask Jim Kelly. I agree with Augie, just keep doing what you are doing for about 5 more years. He already has an MVP.

He’s already a lock. A prediction I made after he threw an INT in the endzone in his second NFL game vs the Chargers.

Cut the drama, yes I know they are human beings but to deny that they are de-facto "property" or assets is hopelessly naive.

While that may be the case I like seeing him playing hoops in addition to his football workouts because I think there is a compelling argument that athletes who just position-specific or one-sport-specific train tend to become more susceptible to injury than those who play multiple sports that emphasize different movement/flexibility/dexterity etc..

She was a convenient "independent thinker" back then, a leading voice against U.S. involvement in forever wars. She is no longer convenient now that the next forever war is about to begin.

Neither, but you knew that. The "take only half of the quote" doesn't work on adults............but you keep swallowing it. MEANWHILE:

I feel like playoff wins and “some of the best playoff stats” end up lost in HoF talk. keep in mind, I’m not saying this is my criteria but the actual criteria. Based on the most recent QBs, the thing that matters most is hardware. AP, MVP, SBMVP, ProBowls. The next is career records, aka TDs, yards, wins, etc etc. Then everything else. Rivers has the longevity and very good numbers but lacks hardware. He is one of the very good numbers but never an All Pro, never an MVP, never won his conference. There’s just such a glut of QBs upcoming. The QBs in the HoF mix over the next decade are: Brady Brees Ben Rodgers Rivers Ryan Eli The first 4 are locks and the next 3 are not. I would be extremely surprised if all 7 are inducted and would not be surprised if Rivers and Ryan are snubbed. And Josh Allen’s resume today is closer to the latter 3 than the first 4. He would not be a Hall of Famer today if he retired like Mahomes or even Lamar would be. IMO.

Wow, amazing that 57 year old loser weirdo left behind crazy-ass nutcase scribblings. Let's try to decipher them!

From the results thus far, to me it looks like, yet again, people are overestimating the Fish. Is it a "bold prediction" to say that Miami will finish last in the division?

"You should vote with emotion, like me" Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson blasts 'narrow-minded' judging on Supreme Court by Devin Dwyer Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson unloaded on her Supreme Court colleagues Friday in a series of sharp dissents, castigating what she called a "pure textualism" approach to interpreting laws, which she said had become a pretext for securing their desired outcomes, and implying the conservative justices have strayed from their oath by showing favoritism to "moneyed interests." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/justice-ketanji-brown-jackson-blasts-narrow-minded-judging/story?id=123056694

Ha ha, falling for the fake news. Even Trump admits the NY Times is fake news. Wake up

So did Tulsi lie before or now? What a clown regime.

Trump and Rubio secure Rwanda-Congo peace treaty by Alexandra Koch President Donald Trump announced on Friday he and Secretary of State Marco Rubio had secured a "wonderful" treaty between Rwanda and Congo, as Pakistan formally nominated him for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize. "I am very happy to report that I have arranged, along with Secretary of State Marco Rubio, a wonderful Treaty between the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and the Republic of Rwanda, in their War, which was known for violent bloodshed and death, more so even than most other Wars, and has gone on for decades," Trump wrote in a Truth Social announcement. The president noted representatives from Rwanda and the Congo will be in Washington on Monday to sign documents. https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-rubio-secure-rwanda-congo-peace-treaty-amid-pakistans-nobel-prize-nomination

At this important point in our history.

Since this thread is called what it's called I beg to question what is a low drop rate for an X WR in this offense? We essentially throw to the slot, TE, and RB as opposed to the Davis and Diggs days we pretty much only throw outside on a few WR screens and if teams switch to single high or cover zero. In those cases we are generally throwing jump balls, back shoulders, or contested catches in general. Realistically what is a high drop rate for someone who is seeing mostly those type of throws? He only had 4 drops last year with an ADOT of over 15 yards and Allen only threw 2 picks trying to get him the ball. Allen threw 6 picks in back to back seasons trying to get Davis the ball. I still think (hope) that Coleman can have Gabe plus production with better hands and more ability to work shorter because he's more nimble than Davis was. Anyone who thinks you are going to get high catch or yardage totals like Diggs put up out of Coleman is going to be upset. Guess that is telling because many people already seem to be upset. In this offense Coleman is most likely the 3rd or 4th read before seeing the defense they're lined up against.

C'mon JC. You didn't trust this guy ?

It can be misleading but it's certainly not "meaningless". @Einstein is implying that lot's of rookie WR's put up significant stats and then vanish. He didn't even seem to know who Alec Pierce was though. A mid-second round pick with first round athletic testing numbers. Not some random nobody who somehow lead the NFL in ypc which subsequently dismisses the value of Coleman's rookie ypc. It's no more common for WR's to put up impressive rookie numbers and never develop than it is to see future stud WR's who don't produce much as a rookie.......as @NewEra detailed while you guys pointed out just one example. I've compared Coleman's ceiling to that of Davante Adams because they entered the league with similar athletic profiles......and challenges to transitioning to the NFL. Took Adams some time but that basketball type athleticism shown thru while the more track-athlete type profiles that excelled earlier in their careers from the 2014 draft have long since fallen by the wayside. I will agree that the Bills were force-feeding Coleman targets though and that has to be weighed into the equation. They did the same with Kincaid. So you can't simply extrapolate their rookie production in their best games and expect that the following year. But what they did proves that they have a foundation of ability that can produce at the NFL level. It's not meaningless.

Miami has talent at key positions. Tua is tua. Achane is going to be a question mark and I think Jaylen wright and Madison can take some of his touches to keep all 3 at top speed strength. Hill and waddle are formidable. Jonu Smith is a never was, Alex ingold is talented and a "I've heard of him" but he doesn't change the game. Their OL is patch work that needs to over perform. Their front 3 are weak, they have 1 LB who can do something but fragile, they have a beast in Dobson, chubb is boring and done. So their front 7 are average to above average if they peak. Their backfield has the name Storm Duck but their talent is in Kohou. Jalen Ramsey is back there, too, but doesn't match up against our offense. On offense they have 3 players who can impact the game: Hill, Waddle, whoever is at RB. Smith will get his because no one else is #3 WR. The Tua can throw if he is protected. On defense Kohou is the only one I respect because Jaylen Phillips is hot or not and our OL can handle him. Chop Robinson coild be anyone and I put him up there with Kohou as to have a break out get on the map year. They dont have the tslent on the board to be thr lions. Theu need to restructure their dbs and get the right LB's. Their defense will be an ugly hybrid with talent.

Oh yeah….

He never had a big contract with the Ravens so he took the money in a business decision. Can’t blame him as that was his only big bite at the apple. He still was a good player with the Jets even made an All Pro in 2022 with them.

Ya know, it’s interesting- for a guy who was supposed to be a MAGA Trump supporter, you would think the media would never let this story die (no pun intended). And yet, once the main narrative was all but set, without deeper dives into Boelter’s background, it’s been oddly quiet. I have a strange suspicion about this story, which is why I NEVER buy the initial info about a situation…History has taught us that, doing so only leads to foolhardiness.

Glad to see him retire. He always seemed to play tough against the Bills, better than you'd think based on how little attention he got week to week (although he did get some post-season recognition, which I thought was justified but surprising). There was an early season game a couple of years ago where the underdog Jets were beating the Bills in the first half, but then Mosley got hurt, and suddenly the Bills offense looked a lot better leading to a Bills win.