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As long as we have 17 it's not over. If he "Andrew Lucks" us, yes, then it's over.

Hilarious to me that the Chargers/Rams combo asked the tax payer to foot nothing of the construction costs on the new stadium they play in… Which makes sense when you factor that every away team sounds like they’re at home 😂

he definitely can over come the coaching and talent deficit. He can just go to another team.

The Palmer and Kincaid injuries crippled the offense. Keon isn’t ready. Bean never planned to have adequate depth at WR. McBean don’t seem to care much about the position given how they spend their resources. Samuel and Moore are either washed or the OC doesn’t know how to use them. Every year they are short on talent at WR. Rinse and repeat. This is sickening to watch.

Fireable offense in itself.

Hey Howard, we know you’re mad as hell but no need to yell.

Is Shakir even playing as a #2 WR ?

I think it will be a struggle for the Bills to try and repeat as division champion. I don't their championship window is closed. They need to find wide receivers and they need to solve the injury bug. If I'm counting correctly, The Bills started five defensive players who were starters in game one this season, and three of those have lost time this season and might be less than 100%.

All of them!

There is nothing to see! There are no routes...just a bunch of guys bunched together running around in the hopes of getting open.

If the bills don’t fumble the ball twice in key moments along with that redzone interception - we probably make this game a lot more closer. this team needs to be able to run the ball and control the line of scrimmage. If those three turnovers resulted in points we are talking very differently about this offense Brady lacks the right creativity to put Allen in place to execute simple things. That 4th down call in the 1st quarter was terrible and that set the tone

It’s Brady, even though times last year the Defense figures out Brady’s playbook and shuts down the moving parts to make it work. I hope the browns fire Stefansky and we hire him on offense for now then he takes over for Sean after another failed season.

Our lows are much lower than when? 2021 had some pretty freakin low lows (Hello Urban Meyer!!!) yet that was somehow our best chance to win the Super Bowl in terms of our roster. This game doesn't mean much to me except it unfortunately demonstrates that the staff was actively overlooking Miami. People here honestly think we're missing the playoffs? If you do, let's wager. If you don't, haven't you noticed the switch this team and especially Josh flip as soon as they start their new season? Again, wake me up in January... This thread is gonna be fun to continue for the "it's over!!!" crew on this message board.

Hollins is a spark plug, he brought an energy to the 0ffense last year. Along with alec anderson, the two of them brought an attitude to the field, they were always mixing it up after plays and keeping everyone excited. That is missing big time this year. Hollins plays every week and catches pretty much anything thrown to him. my understanding is the pats offered him 2 years at 10 million and that was apparently to much for buffalo. Hollins had a great game today, important timely catches and played with his hair on fire all game in the running game from what I could see. I bet Josh Allen sees the highlights of Hollins catching third downs and deep balls at that on third down and bites down hard and keeps his mouth shut. It was a mistake not bringing back Hollins. Palmer was an always hurt guy and they bet he would stay healthy here. He hasn't and now the season is in a tough spot and who knows when he will play. I wanted them to sign for Darius Slayton, an always hurt guy too but when he plays he can get open in the deep third of the field. They signed palmer instead. Palmer and moore have just not done anything. I would take hollins and what he brought to the team in the big picture over moore or palmer and fwiw hollins makes more plays down the field than shakir and costs less money. Most importantly Hollins plays every damn week which is the most important trait. Everything that can go wrong this year has gone wrong. Allen must be sick watching drake maye throw balls to a wide open hollins every week.

The part owners who were all pro athletes might save us. They could be in Pegula's ears about how short an athlete's career is and the need to act before it's beside the point.

And here we are scoring 13 against one of the worst defences in football lol. The bills offence is simple to stop- Stop cook and you stop the bills offence. The chiefs couldn't do that for some reason, Miami did. And we see how ugly the offence looks when the run game doesn't work

Agreed, and why I'd be willing to keep Beane (or even prefer it) if we could move on from McD. The HC is always very influential in who gets drafted. Maybe not down to specific guys, but McD and the staff are OBVIOUSLY guiding Beane on things like smaller LBs that can cover, and whatever else fits his schemes. Heck, Whaley's best ability was to constantly shift the type of guys he was drafting to fit the ever changing needs of our coaching carousel. If moving on from McD means cutting Beane too, then at this point, fine. But I'd like to see what he'd do with a different influence. Someone Offensive minded, riding him harder for actual WRs and playmakers.

It's mostly the receivers. They scare no one. Coleman was a bad pick. Maybe they could try Hairston at WR. He can catch and he has elite speed. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Neither. It’s a failure on Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott. which coordinator gets canned next so the blame deflects off of Beane and McD?

I am not saying McDermott is anti passing. But the point is there was a massive foundational switch in the offence. They went from the heaviest 11 personnel team in the league with Daboll, to now being obsessed with playing 12/13 personnel and running the ball/playing clock control. It is a pretty well known fact that McDermott hated Dabolls pass aggressive approach. If you put the pieces to the puzzle, he most certainly has a big part on the overall philosophy of this offence

Super frustrating game. And as much as a disappointment it is that they’ll likely lose the division, the goal has changed: make the playoffs and all bets are off. Punch your ticket to the dance, and we still have Josh Allen and a fighters chance. You never know when you’ll get hot. Things aren’t pointing that way; but we’ve seen flashes. It’s too early to say, “throw it all away” and start talking firing people. There will be plenty of time for that when the final whistle blows and we know where we end up.

It’s Brady but our receivers also aren’t great but they had past production on bad teams. Prior to joining the bills: Curtis Samuel stats (joined bills age 27) 2023 - 62 catches 613 yards 4 TD 2022 - 64 catches 656 yards 4 td Elijah Moore stats (joined bills age 25) 2024- 61 catches 538 yards 1 TD 2023- 59 catches 640 yards 2 TD Josh Palmer stats (joined bills age 2024 - 39 catches 584 yards 1 TD 2023 - 38 catches 581 yards 2 TD 2022- 72 catches 769 yards 3 TD MVS (last year) 2 catches for 17 yards 0 TD with Buffalo 17 catches for 385 yards 4 TD with NO Shakir before brady Averaged 15.9 yards per catch Shakir after Brady Averages 10.5 yards per catch although the receivers are not great it seems that under Brady all wr have either regressed or not developed in Keon’s case. Beane certainly screwed up the wr position but Brady has seemed to have a negative impact on all the wrs

He definitely torched us

No he hasn’t. You clearly don’t follow the Buffalo closely. Terry continually brings back the GM that he likes, trusts and respects despite him being very much unsuccessful over the past five seasons. meanwhile Beane and McDermott are 100x more successful that Adam has been. You honestly think Terrybis going to pull the trigger after one less than stellar season?

Is it safe to come in here yet?