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solid argument...

I think there's always going to be a percentage of fans that bootleg games. But ESPN supposedly wanted to sell it for $70. I would wager that you probably also had to subscribe to ESPN+ and pay $70. But even at a cost of $12 per month for ESPN+ for 5 months (Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan) at $12 a month that comes out to $60. So at worst it would have been under that model 70-130 dollars. Which would probably get the majority of people streaming illegally to just pay for a higher end stream and call it a day. I think around 150-200 you would still convert a lot of those people. Piracy is a response that the market has to inaccessibility and unaffordability. That doesn't make it right but when companies choose to make their product more expensive and less accessible I don't blame the backlash on that on consumers.

Gruden took Dungy's Bucs to a SB win but his attitude destroyed the team shortly afterwards. Dungy's Bucs were a tight knit group, much like McD's Bills.

Its likely a typo on websites - but if you go to official injury report on the Bills and Ravens websites, Keon is not listed

That number puts a dent in your perpetual we need more immigrants theory. Expect a 50 pt. Fed rate cut at the September Fed meeting. Unless Friday's BLS jobs report is a big number, which I doubt.

Man these threads bring out the weirdos.

Ravens jump out to an early halftime lead 17-6, and hold on 27-19. Hope I'm wrong, but I am basing this on the minimal playing time the starters had this preseason (anticipating sloppy play to start the game, hence being down at halftime) and a lack of confidence in our secondary and WR corps.

Good for them?

and the cowboys with Switzer

You are our favorite shill.

It seems like the story nationally for sure...and even in the local Buffalo media to a certain extent is that Baltimore is an unstoppable juggernaut on Offense and a roster that is littered with high end talent. If McD wants to move the needle with Bills fans, and everyone else for that matter, the 1st step is coming up with a game plan Sunday night that stuffs the run and confuses Lamar just enough to get him to hold it a bit longer and try to be superman on most plays. The Bills were 9th in QB pressure last year and they added Bosa and the Draft pick kids. I have to leave Hoecht out right now and that is heartbreaking...lol... Still, that is a significant talent upgrade to go along with Groot and Oliver. But at the end of the day they have to get off the field on 3rd down. Those D-linemen either have to get home, or force the incompletion. And the way I look at it McD and Babich have had a full off season to laser focus on the glaring Defensive issues. It has to look better Sunday night... Ravens or not. 😎

Mine says I wouldnt do it given your lite on details hypothetical. If he stole it from me first I would feel justified. But doesnt matter what my moral compass says in this hypothetical as its internal to you. Stop trying to tell people what their morals should be. You are moral crusading as you said you didnt want to. You think watching illegally distributed copyright material shouldn't be ethical which has pretty obvious concerns.

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And you didn’t answer the question. Notice the shift in your language. You went from “stealing” to “taking advantage” with just the slightest pushback. And since watching NFL games is a luxury and 100% voluntary you aren’t even being taken advantage of. All the so-called moral arguments for watching illegal streams hinge on redefining words like theft, steal, exploit, etc from their universally understood and condemned meanings to something else that they have never meant.

What “holes” do we have? OL is elite. QB is elite. RB room is above average. TE room they’re counting on a big year from Kincaid, a former RD1 pick in his 3rd year. Have a good TE2 in Knox and the best blocking TE in the recent draft. WR room they are counting on a breakout year 2 for the first pick of the 2nd round. Brought in Palmer, the analytics darling Free Agent (and the Bills are a heavy analytics team). Have Shakir in the slot. Samuel as WR4. Moore as slot depth. Shavers as WR6 and Gabe Davis rehabbing on the PS. DL added Bosa to Oliver and Rousseau. Drafted a RD2 DT, RD3 EDGE and RD4 DT. Sign Hoecht to a multi-year deal and Ogunjobi as vet rotational depth. Unfortunately they’re suspended six games. Hoecht is legit though. LB’s are a good tandem in Bernard and Milano with Williams and Thompson as depth. Taron in the slot. Benford outside with a RD1 CB we hope to get back in the field later this season. Drafted another CB late and have Tre as vet depth. Unfortunately that depth is already being tested. Safety, they love Rapp and were always going to give Bishop year 2 to prove himself like Bernard did. The depth could certainly be better.. Hancock aside, as he seems like he might be something down the line. You might not like some of these players but to say we have all these holes is not the criticism I’d levy against Beane. Lack of blue chip talent, sure. But roster holes.. nah, that’s not it.

Ravens are favored by 1.5, on DraftKings at least.

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How do you get Shakir "did not look 100%" from a quick video that we all saw where he looked good?? He will play and be fine. Coleman too - it's all just table talk. Football is frustrating that so many coaches play these games. Not just the Bills, but all teams.

If players are dinged up, especially week one, sit them and take the lumps. December and January are more important than September. Making guys gut out injuries to play week one is stone aged thinking, especially on a perennial contender.

If your moral framework can’t say that I’d be wrong to steal his car then your moral compass is off.

Ha. No. I was looking for something else at the weekend and just while I was around on Spotrac I happened to look and a bit of back of a packet math(s) I had them about $5m over.

“Instant gratification”? McDermott has had seven seasons with arguably the best QB in NFL history and has not even managed a Super Bowl appearance. Allen turns 30 in May. He has three — maybe four, if he doesn’t get hurt — years left in his prime before a rapid decline sets in. How much longer are you going to give McDermott and Beane to keep “learning things”? I don’t even care if they win the ring or not right now, but they HAVE to get to the Super Bowl this year — otherwise Terry needs to throw both of them overboard.

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Sorry, even though Im a Mets fan I cant hate Bryce Harper. The guy is mega-talented and his hitting fundamentals are just so perfect. But more so becuase hes just such a damned hard-nosed gamer. I love watching him play.

Stealing is not necessarily morally wrong. Moral are internal to self. So I could feel something is moral to steal (maybe it was stolen from me originally or something else was stolen, literally the case many posters are making here). So there is 100% moral ambiguity because morals are internal and we are not hive minded or robots. You seem to be on the side of Jafar and the Sheriff of Nottingham against Aladdin and Robinhood who both believed it was morally ok to steal to feed hungry children even though it was ethically wrong. My rationalizations are my morals we all have them. we differ and thats fine but i am not confused about what im doing and am very honest with myself that its ok. Morally I cant tell you youre wrong thats for you to live with. Ethically you are wrong for taking a car while I am not for watching a stream posted publicly.