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Hurts had zero second-half completions yesterday, and Philly still beat an undefeated team on the road.

At this point I'm over what we do in the regular season. Maybe that's irrational but we are as super bowl or bust as a franchise can get IMO. I see a team that has the same fatal flaws it has had for the last 5 years. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I fear the defense is going to get lit up again in the playoffs and no matter what 17 does we're going to lose in the divisional/AFCG like we do every year. That is just the ceiling with Beane/McDermott IMO.

If you make eye contact with him you will completely forget he ever existed for 30 years.

And here's the post game fall out lol. Video posted in story. https://talksport.com/nfl/3596496/kyle-shanahan-liam-coen-robert-salah-jaguars-sanfrancisco-49ers/

I don't think the talent is as good as we all think it is. They have a reputation as a good drafting team, so when a player is drafted by them his assessment goes up a few notches. Also, whenever they make a move it is seen by fans around the league as a good move, even it was a move that would be questioned if another team made it. Even the professional talking heads are guilty of this. It's circular thinking. Like "The Ravens made a move, and it must be a good move because the Ravens make good moves." Exhibit one of this would be the response here when they signed Jaire Alexander. Now their fans know better, of course, because they live with the team day in and day out. They are really angry at Eric DeCosta, who everyone here thinks is without flaw, for drafting a safety and neglecting the offensive and defensive lines. They also have a reputation having a really good and physical defense. It can take years for that perception to shift in the eyes of the public. Look at how long it took for people to stop assuming that the Steelers defense would be good.

He's throwing for 152 ypg right now. That's too low to be an MVP.

My thought is on Bobby Babich. Is it time to get concerned? When Frazier and Mcdermott ran the D, we had injuries, we played backups, but we always finished top ten in most categories. Since Babich has taken over it feels like a slow decline into total mediocrity and lack of identity, not unlike that second year with Dorsey when eventually the offense just hit a wall and was done. I remember at times when Frazier would struggle, McD would step in and help get the ship righted. Will that happen here and how much leash is left for Babich at this point? Or was our past success really just having an incredible secondary in their prime?

Lamar Jackson +900? Is this a joke? Lamar is done. He shouldn’t be anywhere near this list. And how is Baker Mayfield not on this list?

Is this like sending Frankie Coffee Cake to the bathroom when Colagero was about to roll the dice?

Totally unlikeable coach, IMO. I predict a total meltdown in Chicago eventually... maybe even by the end of the season

Also as I stated before whoever is on top of the betting odds is who will win the award. the stats don’t even matter other than to help guys getting higher up on the betting odds along with how their team is doing. So all you have to do is look at the betting odds each week to see who the ACTUAL front runners are. Nothing else matters in reality. Like I said whoever has finished as the betting odds leader after the last week of the season has won the MVP every year for the last 25 to 30 years other than the one year Adrian Peterson was 2nd in the betting odds and won it.

I don't think the issue here is the words on paper. It is the aggressiveness and physicality to his response that was the problem. He leans in to literally talk down to her. Lets change the context, if you talked to a dude like that out in public you would likely get in a bit of an altercation. He wouldn't dare do that to somebody built like Vrabel. My partner and I have some work overlap, and if I caught a guy do that to her at a work event, we would likely have words. He could have condescendinly smirked and stayed standing up straight and we would all just shrugged this off.

Thanks. At those odds Mahomes and Goff are the best bets IMO.

He seems like the kind of guy that goes out to restaurants and berates the wait staff over minor things to feel good and enjoys ruining their day just because he can.

I said he was wrong and I agree that he’s most likely a grade A a-hole. And the reporter knows that too. She got exactly what she was hoping for and they both look bad. As a sideline reporter mid game, your job isn’t to try and get a negative reaction from the HC. And imo, that’s exactly what she was doing

Can I say that it's as simple as the defense remembering how to tackle

I saw Mahomes at +1000 on DraftKings. That's really good value considering the Chargers will probably choke the division away and Mahomes will have to throw a lot to win.

14 of the last 15 games Allen has started (and played more than a snap) they reached 30 points or more. The one they didn't they scored 24 and ended up with the ball at the Patriots 25 yard line while running the clock out and probably could have.

I think it's our turf. I notice way more slipping by both teams, regularly, when we play at home And on TV. Maybe I don't know what I'm seeing...but I noticed missed blocks several times.

I just feel like between a high pick for kincaid, and shakir being a really good player - there was no need for a primary slot WR in the top of the 2nd round.

We're doing GOF research?

That was gross. He was not only condescending, but he leans over her to make his point to the point she backs away. Fork this guy.

It's insane, when you think about it. The offense barely has any rhythm, they can't scheme receivers open, and they still get their points. Sky is the limit if they can figure out how to clean things up.

First of all I totally agree. But ultimately I think it comes down to this. If we lose Coleman and Shakir, Samuels can step in and provide some value and the offense can still move the ball, somewhat. If we lose Tre and Benford, Codrington stepping in would be disasterous. You don't hold roster spots for disasters because they are a "fine" returner. Bonus point: I spent a lot of time watching Tre in coverage yesterday, I thought he was excellent overall. (Although one big missed tackle in the run game comes to mind)

I did post stats. I follow this every year. I know what I am talking about. Allen is most definitely the front runner. Go back and scroll and see what I posted on Allen’s stats. Allen is the only QB in the top 5 or top 10 of many multiple stats. Only other QB close is Lamar. And his team is 1-3 so far and he looked bad yesterday. Yeah the ones I got were from Fanduel. Because as I showed with the stats Allen is the only one in the top 5 or top 6 in all of the categories other than Lamar. One guy is first in QBR but nowhere to be found in many other stats and Lamar is first in passer rating but his team looks horrible so he dropped down. You have a lot of different leaders in different categories. Whoever ends up the betting favorite at the end of the year will win the award and that is why using the betting favorites each week tell you who is in front.