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There will be changes this offseason, not buying the argument some make that we're going to run it back because of the new stadium.

It doesn't make me wonder at all. The Bills are my team. Being a sports fan means you go through the highs and the lows. Otherwise, just be a bandwagon fan for whatever team is good at the time.

To Josh for getting sacked 8 times and still walking off that field...He is not human. Go Bills !!!

Of course we care more. To the players, the BIlls are the company that cuts their massive paychecks. They get paid, win or lose. To the owner, it's a massively appreciating asset that his children will be able to sell for billions. To many of us on this message board, it's our final tie to the place we're from and a team that we've been rooting for since childhood. My father's final words to me were "Go Bills!" That's how deep this is for me, and why I'm so upset this morning.

I’ll put you down as happy with this teams direction.

Yeah, Tom Brady had the A-hole I demand better like Mahomes. He yelled at McDaniels on the sideline. He'd probably take a swing at Joe Brady. Now there's a headline "Brady KO's Brady".

Coincidentally, we lost to all the three teams because their defense beat up our offense (and of course the defense gave up points at key moments of the game). But it was the Offense.

We are a bad team period

Who is this good coach and OC you speak of? The grass isn't always greener. That said, it's hard not to think about at least an OC change I don't see any way McBeane goes before opening the new stadium

I root for the Bills to win. Every game. I never root for a loss. You can all try to do the mental gymnastics and postulate on what will fix the team and who needs to be fired and replaced if you want. I might even agree on some of it. But I only root for the team to win. I don't care about getting a higher draft pick or tanking for a certain player or to get a coach fired. I root for the Bills to win.

0.0% chance this guy passes a PED test.

If that is true, his win percentage in those situations (40%) is substantially better than the league average, according to this old data from The Athletic, which shows the percentage of teams that win when ahead at halftime. I apologize in advance for any formatting issues. W-L Record When One Team Leads at Halftime Year Pct. Wins Losses 2018 (15 wks) 80.6 163 39 2017 82.3 190 41 2016 78.2 186 51 2015 75.8 182 58 2014 74.5 182 62 2013 74.7 179 59 2012 74.7 178 60 2011 76.1 178 56 2007 - 2010 all between 77 and 79% Context matters.

If they got 3 or 4 1st round draft picks maybe. Cleveland would trade 5 1st round picks for Josh.

I've been in a toxic relationship with the bills for close to 40 years. I can't ever root for them to lose and as sad as I am today, I will find some homer hope by next weekend It's gonna be a long weekend tho.

Last night's game reminded me of the home night game against the Jets where plays were coming in late, the offense was totally out of sync and dysfunctional but hit a couple of explosives to make it look better than it was, the defense failed in big moments, and right afterwards Greg Roman was fired. So it's not out of the question in my mind.

I'm a chatty cathy and a bit of a peter poster, but i almost never start threads. I was doing a lil lookly loo into the numbers and while i love the inside baseball part of football and all the match ups and esoterica and such, just like in the real world, the bigger picture is very often the clearer one. since 2023 the bills average .12 EPA per drop back on the road and .25 at home. .12 is decent, .25 is elite. in the playoffs our epa per play on O is like .2, which is shockingly good. our expected record this season is 6.8 -4.2, so just about exactly how the games have turned out. we lost 4 games, all of which we were strong to very strong favorites in. it is my belief that the handicappers get it right much much more than they get it wrong, so we lost 4 games we shoulda won, two we were mad favorites in (NE and the fish on the road, 6.5-9pt favs in both), one that was slight (3.5 vs atl) and last night (5-6pt favs). our team plays a goofy frustrating kind of football, where it looks like we are either brilliant or useless, on both d and o, but frankly that's the modern nfl. everyone plays the analysis game and does the things that give them their best advantage even if it's not entirely their team's "identity" so it doesn't look like the kgun bills o or the 85 bears d because all teams mix coverage, formations on o, and teams all go nickel and dime way more often than before on d. nfl football is high level rock paper scissors with athletes and emotions and execution mixed in to muddy it up. now, if i step away from my beloved minutia and numbers, and look at what counts the most, it's a really clear picture. we are a bad road team. we dropped 4 of 11 this season, 3 on the road. atl was a kinda tough game for us at the time, but we took a huge dump there. miami was the same thing, in the end the d epa was atrocious, but the o is what we lean on and it sucked. 3 TOs kills us every time except for tampa where we forced two ourselves and allen went super sayan. houston was our only negative O performance of the season where we had a positive D and special teams (and only 1 of 4 games where we had a net positive d and special teams) and boy was it negative vs what we can do. the only games we've been in where any offense has been worse than ours was last night was carolina and the jests, just like the houston game that was vs back up qbs (altho tyrod is better than fields was vs the jets, they just suck). the jets and the panthers were the only offenses who played worse than ours did vs houston, although the saints were nearly as cheeks. we have two wins on the road, one was at the jets who suck and it was a bills crowd, and vs the back up qb panthers, where it was also a bills crowd. 5 road teams, 3 losses, our only 3 negative epa games on o (turnovers). two wins vs basically back up qbs (the o was good in those games tho). we lose when we turn the ball over we snuck a win over tampa with 3 turnovers, but we got 2 of our own and as said before the passing game caught fire and allen when he's on sets and then breaks nfl records. in our 4 losses, we have 11 turnovers, and the real number is worse than that because we also got stopped a few times going for it on 4th down. we are -8 in those 4 losses. we would be better with a better run d, we'd be better with more talent than the 31st or 32nd WR room in the nfl, we'd be better if we didn't have all these bad injuries stacked up on the DL and CB in particular, we'd be better if our coaches made better adjustments (i will say, when mcd calls the d, the second half adjustments are elite tho). we'd be better if we didn't overpay to extend good to really good players (benford, groot, shakir) and meh to good players (milano, knox, taron, bernard) at the cost of playing rookie contract guys who are close as makes no difference or even better than them at times and having resources to bring in a couple elite guys. we'd be better if we brought in healthy and impact guys (bosa has been impact, but his had is a club, so even tho he's playing he's not healthy). and we'd be way better if we found religion and didn't play down to our opponents (saints and miami in home wins, atl, hou, and miami in road losses). all of that comes out in the wash vs the things we actually do well to make us a top team. we aren't leading the division and vying for the one seed for the simple reasons above -- we suck the bag on the road and we turn the ball over in the games we lose. we are like 1 or 2 games over 500 on the road since 2023, and we've never won a road playoff game. it's as simple as that.

Very fair and very accurate assessment. The question is.. how much is that skillset worth?

Tim Settle was the insult to injury. Couldn’t tie his shoes with us, but is Reggie White when he’s got real DL talent around him.

The defense did play better when Shaq took over. Shows how bernard holds them back

(Non-Iran/Israel) Events in Iran are moving fast. Tehran Faces Evacuation As Water Supplies Reach Zero and the City Sinks Into the Desert Mother Nature may accomplish something that neither the U.S. nor Israel could ever have contemplated: the evacuation of Tehran's 9.7 million inhabitants. Iran is currently experiencing its fifth consecutive year of drought, and the autumnal rainfall is about a quarter of that in 2024, that would be two millimeters. In short, Tehran is facing a "Day Zero" catastrophe. "Zero day" is probably shortly after January 1. The Amir Kabir Dam, once a vital lifeline holding over 160,000 acre-feet, now languishes at a mere 8 percent capacity, or about a two-week supply for Tehran. In terms of reservoir capacity, isn’t huge. It is about the size of the Canyon Dam on Texas’s Guadalupe River or the Smith Mountain Dam on Virginia’s Roanoke River. But when you plop it down in the middle of the desert and make your nation’s capital and a lot of your agriculture dependent on it for water, it takes on a significance all its own. The other reservoirs in the five-dam system that supplies Tehran with water — Latyan, Lar, Mamloo, and Taleqan — are in equally poor condition. At Latyan, only half of the current 10 percent fill can be used. Lar is at one percent, Mamloo at seven percent, and Taleqan, which is about twice the size of Amir Kabir, is at 30 percent capacity. Iran is drought-prone; indeed, it is the middle of the most severe drought in 57 years, but that isn’t what is causing the current crisis. It is the logical and foreseeable outcome of decades of environmental neglect and Soviet-style mismanagement that has turned a naturally arid climate into a national emergency. Iran’s groundwater has been depleted, primarily in an effort to surge agriculture to deal with a booming population. Tehran is sinking at a rate of 25 cm per year as the aquifers collapse. This poses a threat to utilities, subways, and the structural integrity of buildings. It is hard to imagine that the settling hasn't caused leaks in water mains. To be clear, this is not a Tehran problem; this is an Iran problem. The drought affects the whole country, and 30 of Iran’s 31 provinces are experiencing land subsidence due to unchecked groundwater extraction. https://redstate.com/streiff/2025/11/10/the-end-is-near-tehran-faces-evacuation-as-water-supplies-reach-zero-and-the-city-sinks-into-the-desert-n2196051 .

Edward's and Torrence especially looked like rookies out there. Wow, did they whiff big time.

Spencer Brown was rough before getting hurt, but battled through injury and at least looks like he cares. He was miserable on the bench and looked completely dejected when the coach came over to tell him his night is over. Can you imagine him making the types of comments Dion makes? I can’t.

Makes you wonder why we support this joke of a team and organization. I totally disagree 100% with this take. We have one of the best Quarterbacks in the league. We won’t need multiple years of losing to right the ship. A good coach and a good OC next year would completely change this organizations losing mentality.

I think it's a bit of both. Our WR room is right near the bottom in the NFL, if not dead last. Maybe the Titans are worse. It's close with the Browns/Raiders. Saying that, I don't love Joe Brady's passing concepts. And I think I'm starting to see why Carolina didn't either. They are just not imagentive at all. He goes back to the same simple concepts, which are good sometimes, but feel a lot like they work better in college ball but not so much in the NFL. Expecially when you've been found out by a defense.

and we've been dealing with injuries everywehere else but QB yet we remain at 7-4, sorry I am tired of people thinking that QB injuries alone impact team performance. Injuries to all of them except Moore.