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Final game ... Just be glad it's not Bucky.

Torrence is durable and hasn't missed a start since being drafted. it would be so ironic that we trade a player who stays on the field compared to the Oliver's, Benford's, Milano's, just to name a few, who have been extended. Having said that I think a trade of Torrence is a possibility because of all the previous accumulated mismanagement of the McBeane era.

Davis wasn’t very productive in Brady’s O after the Dorsey firing. Hard to say we need him.

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Is that 1st half totals or final game totals?

Your work in this thread has been one of the most outstanding examples of pure unadulterated idiocy I've ever seen in the 20+ year history of this forum. The next time I have to deal with you in any capacity whatsoever, will be the last time I ever have to deal with you in any capacity whatsoever.

I let them choose their own names. It's fun for them.

Oh I agree Josh is our guy with out a doubt but given what he did last year then the supposed "Upgrade" at the WR position it just seemed as this was going to be a better year and that last year wasn't just a fluke so my thing with him getting married and the other distractions were just a thought . There is also a lot to be said about chemistry between the QB and the WR's & others ! I think Knox has proven that if targeted more he is a weapon, he was before Kincaid got here & Brady seems to forget about him and focus to much on Kincaid a lot use them all to their strengths he has the weapons I think Shavers is under utilized in the Red zone too ! I also thought that if Cooper had more time to work with Josh that with his experience in route running they could have made a bit of noise, in one season he put a all time Bills classic play on tape with the throw back to Josh can you imagine if the trust factor would have had a chance to grow . I also think if they asked Cooper now to come out of retirement that he would but that too is to little to late and a topic for anther conversation !! But I now do believe that the players that were suppose to be all that aren't or the chemistry between them and Josh is just wrong or not there like it was with Hollins and others last season . Don't know the answer it's all speculation with me I'm just a fan !! Sorry for the rant .

But you could do this with every team that is not actively winning Super Bowls. I imagine that no loss hurts all that much if you're a Chiefs or Pats fan, but I wouldn't know.

What about losing to Zach Wilson and the Jets twice.

I maintain that we won't see Davis on the 53. I suspect that injury is too great to overcome and get any semblance of NFL speed back. Prove me wrong, Gabe.

The McDefense should be able to keep Rashaad White to under 150 - 160 yards.

what's the deal with IR'd players whose contract expires? Does the team say it's been nice having you? Bass comes with a $6MM dead cap hit - BTW

Some of the music pumped through these stadiums is downright awful—it kills any chance for fans to really engage. The fake piped-in stuff is especially bad for fan energy. I just hope Bills management doesn’t get too enamored with their new sound system. Also: The new stadium might lose the open, impressive feel of the current bowl. Not a big deal, just… different.

And the phrase "expected to have interest" has so much wiggle room that it means nothing.

Need a whole separate thread for worst playoff losses. Which is telling...

Has Daboll taken out full page ads in NYC thanking Giants fans yet?

Speculatively speaking, Kincade is out for 3-4 games. Probably be back for the Bengals game.

2nd worst, but the team is regressing and looked totally unprepared in a way we haven't seen

beane wonders what beane is doing.

I actually think the AFC Championship Game in January 2021 in KC was the worst loss. We were a hot, young team riding a wave and came out like we expected to lose. The second was the AFC CG last year. In both cases, we were a win from the Super Bowl. All other losses, including 13 seconds, pale in comparison.

Heard today that Burrow is in his 21 day window. He will likely be playing against the Bills in week 14.

I think the defense has underachieved in the playoffs, definitely. Equally in 2019 the offense puking all over itself up 16 and turning the ball over was a big part of the collapse. And neither side of the ball played well in the 2020 AFCCG. 2021 was totally on defense. 2022 both sides of the ball. 2023 and 2024 defense bad but offense had the ball at the end chance to win and couldn't get it done both times. But the regular season defense has, despite your protestations, been good until the last year and a half. If you want to knock the last year and a half be my guest. But if you have watched every snap of the era and say the defense has only had about 5 good games you are lying.

Who is jlv football? from JAG media…. just a guy With a keyboard

It's more like ... O bleak. (Pa-dum, ting)