Official Trent Edwards Excuse Thread...

[Guest dog14787]

Nice...

 

I also find it hilarious that his so called winning record is barely over .500 (I think by just one game in fact) which is never going to equal a playoff berth in the AFC and yet these people hold it up as if he has some kind of great record.

 

The truth about his so called record is that a lot of those wins came inspite or Trents struggles. He didnt win those games, our team won them for him.

 

The reality is this: Trent has lost us more games than he has won for us. And thats just fact...

Hope a switch goes off this year, I really do, but he is showing a lot of the same flaws still he has always had...

 

 

I can say the same things about the games TE lost, he didn't lose those games the players around him and coaching staff did and the reality is some of your comments don't even make any sense.

 

You tell me how TE can have a winning record yet lose more games then he won, then even go on and call your comment fact.

[Guest dog14787]

You guys realize we are talking about a QB who doesn't even have two full seasons yet (24 games) a winning record, one of the best completion percentages in the league and a QB rating over 85.

 

Then take into account who the head coach is, who the OC is, who the GM is, the supporting cast that he has around him and lacking the one main thing every young QB absolutely has to have for proper development which is a good Tight End security blanket. What do you know, Despite everything, TE is off to a better start then some of the best QB's that ever played the game.

 

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

[ganesh]

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

 

And Rothelisberger had a monster RB tandem in Bettis and Parker in front of a rock solid line with a #1 defense to boot during his first two seasons on the way to superbowl XL...As pointed in another thread, the Steelers won in spite of Ben in XL (XLIII was different), when they had to go to a gimmick play to have Randal El throw the winning TD to Hines Ward.

 

Ben now in his 6th season has learned on the way to be a very good QB and it showed in super bowl XLIII. It is very hard to please every bills fan. On one side they hated JP because he was very inaccurate and floated passes like ducks and wanted an accurate QB and when they get one, they B word that he cannot throw long balls (Which I disagree).....

 

If you look at teams through the 45+ years of AFL + NFL Merger, most of the teams have had 1 or 2 franchise type QBs. There has been no team that has churned Franchise QBs year in year out...Even the Steelers with their 6 SB championships have had just two franchise QBs in Bradshaw and Big Ben...

 

The BS is toe deep in the thread.

[BuffFromBuffalo]

In 50 years we had 3 maybe 4 QB's not fail, we are conditioned

I agree....Kemp, Lamonica, Furgeson, Kelly. That's about it. Maybe Trent thinks the helmets should be white.

[Flbillsfan#1]

You guys realize we are talking about a QB who doesn't even have two full seasons yet (24 games) a winning record, one of the best completion percentages in the league and a QB rating over 85.

 

Then take into account who the head coach is, who the OC is, who the GM is, the supporting cast that he has around him and lacking the one main thing every young QB absolutely has to have for proper development which is a good Tight End security blanket. What do you know, Despite everything, TE is off to a better start then some of the best QB's that ever played the game.

 

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

I watched the Chicago game again last night. Trent had a couple nice throws to Lee but he could not get the Bills into the end zone. I don't want to hear about his completeion percentage anymore. If Trent is any good, with the weapons he has this year, he better throw TD's....................and I mean a bunch of them.

[billsfreak]

That is an interesting point of view. But think about how many Offensive Lineman we have brought in through FA or the draft.

 

As bad as our front office might be a picking linemen, we are going on 10 years without having a great offensive line. Some of the guys have been awful, but others have gone elsewhere and started. There are 31 other teams in the NFL, yet our offensive line always tends to suck. It seems almost impossible.

 

Have you also noticed that teams with "bad offensive lines" typically have "bad quarterbacks". The offenisive line is easy to point to but I am not sure it is the whole problem. I think it has more to do with our offensive scheme or lack there of. Even going back to the days of Gregg. We are always way too predictable. How many times have you been sitting in the recliner at home and knowing the down and distance, be able to predict what the Bills offense was going to do. I know I have and I seem to be right about 70-75% of the time, and I am a fan. Someone like Bill Belichek, Steve Spagnolo, or Rex Ryan will probably by right 95% of the time. Pretty easy to defend a play when you already know what has been called. (Spygate jokes aside).

 

Ths Bills have not had a great offensive mind here in a very long time.

 

Ths Bills have not had a great offensive mind here in a very long time.

I agree, since maybe Marchibroda?

 

 

Have you also noticed that teams with "bad offensive lines" typically have "bad quarterbacks".

Goes hand in hand. Steve Young had a bad line in Tampa and he sucked. He went to the 49ers and now he is in Canton. Our line has sucked for years and years. Some have went on to start elsewhere, but even more of them were FA busts elsewheres, i.e., Jonas Jennings. You are right though as far as predicting what the Bills are going to run, and I am a beer drinking guy in a recliner, gotta be real easy for someone who makes a living doing that.

[Mr. WEO]

You may think Lee can't beat double coverage. I think Trent can't beat double coverage because he can't throw the ball where Lee can make a play on it with two guys all over him.

Yeah, that's the problem--Trent refuses to throw into double coverage "with two guys all over" Evans.

 

These are actual posts, folks.

 

JPL's gone fellas. Let it go.

[colin]

You guys realize we are talking about a QB who doesn't even have two full seasons yet (24 games) a winning record, one of the best completion percentages in the league and a QB rating over 85.

 

Then take into account who the head coach is, who the OC is, who the GM is, the supporting cast that he has around him and lacking the one main thing every young QB absolutely has to have for proper development which is a good Tight End security blanket. What do you know, Despite everything, TE is off to a better start then some of the best QB's that ever played the game.

 

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

 

+1

 

i agree with the above, and the criticism that Evans does not come back for the ball or do many other things well enough (perhaps mostly due to his lack of size and physical presence). now this year w TO on the other side evans might have a chance to show all he can do.

 

bottom line is trent needs to step up big time this year. he might still have to check down a bunch due to having a young line and lynch being out for a bit, but he needs to improve as the year goes on, and not get so tennative against 3 4 Ds. if he get's quicker on the trigger, i think he could be very good.

 

if he fades again this year, he's being replaced.

[bizell]

You guys realize we are talking about a QB who doesn't even have two full seasons yet (24 games) a winning record, one of the best completion percentages in the league and a QB rating over 85.

 

Then take into account who the head coach is, who the OC is, who the GM is, the supporting cast that he has around him and lacking the one main thing every young QB absolutely has to have for proper development which is a good Tight End security blanket. What do you know, Despite everything, TE is off to a better start then some of the best QB's that ever played the game.

 

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

 

do you even take into account that Eli and Peyton were #1 draft picks of the entire draft?

 

which means... :drum roll:

 

the teams they were going onto weren't that good?

[pBills]

Just another pathetic thread.

[Flbillsfan#1]

Yeah, that's the problem--Trent refuses to throw into double coverage "with two guys all over" Evans.

 

These are actual posts, folks.

 

JPL's gone fellas. Let it go.

Learn to read IDIOT. I said Trent COULD NOT throw an accurate pass that Lee could make a play on when there is double coverage, not that he refused to throw it.

[thebandit27]

You guys realize we are talking about a QB who doesn't even have two full seasons yet (24 games) a winning record, one of the best completion percentages in the league and a QB rating over 85.

 

Then take into account who the head coach is, who the OC is, who the GM is, the supporting cast that he has around him and lacking the one main thing every young QB absolutely has to have for proper development which is a good Tight End security blanket. What do you know, Despite everything, TE is off to a better start then some of the best QB's that ever played the game.

 

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

 

Sorry, but YOU are the one that's knee deep in BS. According to NFL.com game logs...

 

- Brady's record was 15-9 in his first 24 games, not 9-15; and he went 20-12 in his first 32 games as well

- Peyton Manning's record was 16-16 in his first 32 games, including 13-3 in his second season; anyone see Trent putting together a 13-3 season this year?

- Eli Manning went 1-6 his rookie year, but came back in year 2 (2005) to go 11-5 as a starter; last time I checked, that adds up to 12-11, so your 11-13 stat is another complete fabrication. Even if it weren't, were talking about a complete quantam leap in winning percentage from season one to season two, have you seen anything remotely similar from Edwards?

- Through his first 23 starts, Montana's 49ers went 15-8 (1980-1981...oh yeah, and they won the Superbowl in '81), which is almost 180 degrees opposite of what you said, where are getting some of this crappola?

 

As much as I'd like for what you're saying to be true, it's a lot more applicable to look at the REAL numbers as opposed to a bunch of stuff you made up to make Trent look good.

[Ramius]

The biggest problem with Trentative was simply that so many people loved him because he was "notJPLosman." Just because one guy is "better than the last guy" doesn't mean he is any good.

 

A 4 is prettier than a 3, but the 4 is still ugly.

[The Senator]

You guys realize we are talking about a QB who doesn't even have two full seasons yet (24 games) a winning record, one of the best completion percentages in the league and a QB rating over 85.

 

Then take into account who the head coach is, who the OC is, who the GM is, the supporting cast that he has around him and lacking the one main thing every young QB absolutely has to have for proper development which is a good Tight End security blanket. What do you know, Despite everything, TE is off to a better start then some of the best QB's that ever played the game.

 

In comparison Eli manning was 11-13 his first 24 games played in the NFL, Peyton Manning 9-15, Tom Brady 9-15, Jim Kelly 9-15, Joe Montana 5-19

The BS is knee deep in this thread.

Sorry, dog - I was gonna leave this thread alone, but I just can't.

 

Why is it that the Losman-bashers count his broken-leg rookie season a full year, and 2005 - when Mularkey kept yanking him for Kelly Holcomb - as a full year, and 2007 - when Wilford's cheap-shot to Losman's knee took him out in September - as a full year, yet Trentative Checkwards doesn't even have two full seasons?????!!!!!!!!

 

(And this is NOT a 'JP Losman is better then Trent Edwards' thread - just a plea for consistency - regardless of circumstances, bad coaching, multiple HCs/OCs, whatever, they BOTH suck.)

 

Let's just please use the same yardstick for Edwards that we used for Losman- this is Los Gatos Boy's THIRD SEASON as a starting NFL QB.

[Gary M]

He has the worst Offensive Line in football-Oh Wait! That's not an excuse, its a fact! Another retarded thread.

 

That was an un-acceptable excuse when JP was the QB.

 

But true none the less.

 

Until the OL is better any QB will struggle.

 

Some people will never understand that.

[K-9]

Sorry, dog - I was gonna leave this thread alone, but I just can't.

 

Why is it that the Losman-bashers count his broken-leg rookie season a full year, and 2005 - when Mularkey kept yanking him for Kelly Holcomb - as a full year, and 2007 - when Wilford's cheap-shot to Losman's knee took him out in September - as a full year, yet Trentative Checkwards doesn't even have two full seasons?????!!!!!!!!

 

(And this is NOT a 'JP Losman is better then Trent Edwards' thread - just a plea for consistency - regardless of circumstances, bad coaching, multiple HCs/OCs, whatever, they BOTH suck.)

 

Let's just please use the same yardstick for Edwards the we used for Losman- this is Los Gatos Boy's THIRD SEASON as a starting NFL QB.

 

Absolutely. Can't cut it any other way. This is his third season. For lots of reasons. NFL pension qualification for one. But from a practical stanpoint he's been here for three seasons of OTAs, training camps, pre-season, and will presumably be there for this season's regular season games. It's his third year. Period. People point to number of starts within those three years and, while I think real game experience is second to nothing in terms of gaining experience on the field, the fact remains this is his third season.

 

While the Losman bashers certainly trotted out his interrupted seasons as seasons none the less, the JP worshippers did the same thing in reverse.

 

I'm waiting until TE has 31 NFL starts under his belt before I can compare his development to JP's. As I said, nothing beats real game playing experience in terms of flattening the learning curve. I don't need to wait until he's been in the league the same five years that JP was to do that. Heck, he may NOT be in the league those same five years for all we know.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Guest dog14787]

Sorry, but YOU are the one that's knee deep in BS. According to NFL.com game logs...

 

- Brady's record was 15-9 in his first 24 games, not 9-15; and he went 20-12 in his first 32 games as well

- Peyton Manning's record was 16-16 in his first 32 games, including 13-3 in his second season; anyone see Trent putting together a 13-3 season this year?

- Eli Manning went 1-6 his rookie year, but came back in year 2 (2005) to go 11-5 as a starter; last time I checked, that adds up to 12-11, so your 11-13 stat is another complete fabrication. Even if it weren't, were talking about a complete quantam leap in winning percentage from season one to season two, have you seen anything remotely similar from Edwards?

- Through his first 23 starts, Montana's 49ers went 15-8 (1980-1981...oh yeah, and they won the Superbowl in '81), which is almost 180 degrees opposite of what you said, where are getting some of this crappola?

 

As much as I'd like for what you're saying to be true, it's a lot more applicable to look at the REAL numbers as opposed to a bunch of stuff you made up to make Trent look good.

 

My Big mistakes and I take credit for them, I think Peyton was the only one correct at 9-15 and Eli went 12-12. I was reviewing game logs and didn't realize they were not actual starts, my apology to everyone.( I was at the same site just wasn't looking at the starts column)

 

Thanks for correcting me, I never want to give false info

[The Senator]

Absolutely. Can't cut it any other way. This is his third season. For lots of reasons. NFL pension qualification for one. But from a practical stanpoint he's been here for three seasons of OTAs, training camps, pre-season, and will presumably be there for this season's regular season games. It's his third year. Period. People point to number of starts within those three years and, while I think real game experience is second to nothing in terms of gaining experience on the field, the fact remains this is his third season.

 

While the Losman bashers certainly trotted out his interrupted seasons as seasons none the less, the JP worshippers did the same thing in reverse.

 

I'm waiting until TE has 31 NFL starts under his belt before I can compare his development to JP's. As I said, nothing beats real game playing experience in terms of flattening the learning curve. I don't need to wait until he's been in the league the same five years that JP was to do that. Heck, he may NOT be in the league those same five years for all we know.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Fair enough, K-9 - but just remember that the most rabid Losman-bashers relentlessly proffered the arguments, "Well, he still gains experience standing on the sidelines holding a clipboard," or "So you're saying that OTAs, training camps, classroom time, practices, and just being on an NFL team don't count?"

 

Just sayin'.

 

Same yardstick for Edwards that was used for Losman, please.

[Stenbar]

Absolutely. Can't cut it any other way. This is his third season. For lots of reasons. NFL pension qualification for one. But from a practical stanpoint he's been here for three seasons of OTAs, training camps, pre-season, and will presumably be there for this season's regular season games. It's his third year. Period. People point to number of starts within those three years and, while I think real game experience is second to nothing in terms of gaining experience on the field, the fact remains this is his third season.

 

While the Losman bashers certainly trotted out his interrupted seasons as seasons none the less, the JP worshippers did the same thing in reverse.

 

I'm waiting until TE has 31 NFL starts under his belt before I can compare his development to JP's. As I said, nothing beats real game playing experience in terms of flattening the learning curve. I don't need to wait until he's been in the league the same five years that JP was to do that. Heck, he may NOT be in the league those same five years for all we know.

 

GO BILLS!!!

God if we have to compare his development to JPs it doesnt matter we are gonna suck big time..lol..Lets face it why are we arguing over a qb it doesnt really matter if we had Tom Brady Roger Staubach or God himself back there. Our defense cant stop anybody and if they did our moronic coaching staff would either a. call some retarded play or b.make some foolish decision to kill any chance of winning. It reminds of the movie easy money where the jockey was ahead by a mile and then realized he might win so he put his feet on the track slowing the horse down so he wouldnt win..I dont even think the Bills could handle winning..They proved that last year..Lets argue about something real that might change the course of this franchise..A new owner..

[Fan in Chicago]

God if we have to compare his development to JPs it doesnt matter we are gonna suck big time..lol..Lets face it why are we arguing over a qb it doesnt really matter if we had Tom Brady Roger Staubach or God himself back there. Our defense cant stop anybody and if they did our moronic coaching staff would either a. call some retarded play or b.make some foolish decision to kill any chance of winning. It reminds of the movie easy money where the jockey was ahead by a mile and then realized he might win so he put his feet on the track slowing the horse down so he wouldnt win..I dont even think the Bills could handle winning..They proved that last year..Lets argue about something real that might change the course of this franchise..A new owner..

 

Meh, not sure our D is the big problem. Granted last year they could not get the other team off the field fast enough but considering the frequency with which the O was putting our D back on the field I think they did respectably. They were hurt big time with Schobel's absence. I think this year we should be a lot better with AS back and the possibility of Maybin turning out to be a good situational pass rusher (for this year). Our backfield is set and stacked - no worries there especially with Whitner's move and Corner looking promising. Ellison is a weak spot and I am not sure if Nic Harris can grow to replace him. But the main question marks are one LB and one DE position each. Which is a whole lot better than the multiple doubts we have on the offensive side of ball.