Steely Dan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Anyone else think this. He missed too many kicks IMO to make the FO believe he still has the leg to play on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Anyone else think this. He missed too many kicks IMO to make the FO believe he still has the leg to play on the team. I think we need to seriously look into getting a new kicker for next year. Bring some guys in and let 'em kick it off. I think he missed waaaaaayyyyyy too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 he'll still be in buffalo, he's better than alot of kickers out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 he'll still be in buffalo, he's better than alot of kickers out there... Not good enough for anymore because the winds in the Ralph need a very strong leg. I don't know how deep the kicker pool is in this draft but they should be able to get the best kicker in the draft in the fourth round or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I am not a huge Lindell fan, but I think he will be back. In my opinion, while he has improved over the years, the coaches really don't put him in many low percentage situations. He is solid enough though, and I would say he is way on the bottom of the list, of the Bills needs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I am not a huge Lindell fan, but I think he will be back. In my opinion, while he has improved over the years, the coaches really don't put him in many low percentage situations. He is solid enough though, and I would say he is way on the bottom of the list, of the Bills needs... exactly, we don't really need a kicker, why waste a draft pick. maybe we can find an unsigned free agent after the draft for competition and keep the better one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Anyone else think this. He missed too many kicks IMO to make the FO believe he still has the leg to play on the team. We should bring in the Browns kicker who nailed a 56-yarder in mid-November right before our very eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Screw Lindell..... Look, I dont care how "accurate" people say he is (even though nes not) he does not have a long leg... Why is Buffalo a hard place to play? Because it gets windy and it gets cold. With those two things you need a kicker with a long leg. Ryan Lindell sucks and does not have a long leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, are you freaking idiots kidding me. Lindell solidified the kicking position after the cluster!@#$ that was Arians, Graham (who we should have given a legit shot), and Hollis. There wasn't a game that Lindell lost for us this year, and actually very few over his tenure here. But 30 of 38 is very solid considering the elements for a couple of the games that the Bills played in this past season. If you are going to complain about missing the FG against New England* where the wind freaking blew the ball completely off course, then you got some issues. Steely, it does not surprise me that you are starting a witchhunt on a freaking kicker . If the player fans are trying to run out of town is a kicker, it means that kicker really sucks, the team is doing really well, or the fans are on crack. I am gonna guess that you are on crack because I think Lindell is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax bill backer Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 he will not be a bill next year..this season he looked like the old lindell we once knew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, are you freaking idiots kidding me. Lindell solidified the kicking position after the cluster!@#$ that was Arians, Graham (who we should have given a legit shot), and Hollis. There wasn't a game that Lindell lost for us this year, and actually very few over his tenure here. But 30 of 38 is very solid considering the elements for a couple of the games that the Bills played in this past season. If you are going to complain about missing the FG against New England* where the wind freaking blew the ball completely off course, then you got some issues. Steely, it does not surprise me that you are starting a witchhunt on a freaking kicker . If the player fans are trying to run out of town is a kicker, it means that kicker really sucks, the team is doing really well, or the fans are on crack. I am gonna guess that you are on crack because I think Lindell is solid. Lindell USED to be a great kicker. I think he is on the downside of his career. As Marv Levy said "I'd rather cut a guy a year too early than a year too late." That's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovemtooelay Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Is there a better kicker out there that can be signed??? Granted I've never been a kicker or even know what it takes to be a kicker, but Lindell missed some heart breakers this year and I know kickers will miss from time to time but a little camp competition wouldn't hurt??? Like my father always says "a kicker is brought in to do one thing and the day he stops doing that well then its time for him to go" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I am not a huge Lindell fan, but I think he will be back. In my opinion, while he has improved over the years, the coaches really don't put him in many low percentage situations. He is solid enough though, and I would say he is way on the bottom of the list, of the Bills needs... I'd like to know what Lindell's cap hit would be. IIRC, he signed a new contract at the end of 2006. Even though it probably won't be a lot, tying money up in a kicker is not good. Parcells seems to find a kicker whenever he needs one. Plenty of teams get a UFDFA or street FA. I think it's funny this issue was raised on the day Norwood missed the kick in SB XXV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, are you freaking idiots kidding me. Lindell solidified the kicking position after the cluster!@#$ that was Arians, Graham (who we should have given a legit shot), and Hollis. There wasn't a game that Lindell lost for us this year, and actually very few over his tenure here. But 30 of 38 is very solid considering the elements for a couple of the games that the Bills played in this past season. If you are going to complain about missing the FG against New England* where the wind freaking blew the ball completely off course, then you got some issues. Steely, it does not surprise me that you are starting a witchhunt on a freaking kicker . If the player fans are trying to run out of town is a kicker, it means that kicker really sucks, the team is doing really well, or the fans are on crack. I am gonna guess that you are on crack because I think Lindell is solid. Funny you mention those guys. They all went on to play very well for other teams. I think it is just the nature of kicking, guys go hot and cold... remember, Chuck Knox cut Gary Anderson, who was terrible in pre-season, who went on to become maybe the best kicker of the 80's and 90's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Anyone else think this. He missed too many kicks IMO to make the FO believe he still has the leg to play on the team. ??? He was 30 for 38 including the miss in the Hurricane bowl at the end of the season. If you had said in the post that his length of Kicks is questionable I could have bought off on the idea - maybe - but the guy has been deadly inside of 40 yards. I have no problem bringing other kickers in to compete for the job but I think it is highly unlikely that he goes anywhere else next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, are you freaking idiots kidding me. Lindell solidified the kicking position after the cluster!@#$ that was Arians, Graham (who we should have given a legit shot), and Hollis. There wasn't a game that Lindell lost for us this year, and actually very few over his tenure here. But 30 of 38 is very solid considering the elements for a couple of the games that the Bills played in this past season. If you are going to complain about missing the FG against New England* where the wind freaking blew the ball completely off course, then you got some issues. Steely, it does not surprise me that you are starting a witchhunt on a freaking kicker . If the player fans are trying to run out of town is a kicker, it means that kicker really sucks, the team is doing really well, or the fans are on crack. I am gonna guess that you are on crack because I think Lindell is solid. Thank you. I was not a Lindell fan originally, but he's been very solid @ 85% over his last five years in Buffalo. And he didn't miss a kick on the road last year. There are a lot of problems on this team but K is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'd like to know what Lindell's cap hit would be. IIRC, he signed a new contract at the end of 2006. Even though it probably won't be a lot, tying money up in a kicker is not good. Parcells seems to find a kicker whenever he needs one. Plenty of teams get a UFDFA or street FA. I think it's funny this issue was raised on the day Norwood missed the kick in SB XXV. With cash to the cap I believe cutting him wouldn't cost a thing against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbillsfan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think he has proved himself very well over the years. Let the Bills bring in someone like they've done in the past to take the load off him in the preseason & keep RL for the regular season. I expect him to miss a few, just like all kickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 We should bring in the Browns kicker who nailed a 56-yarder in mid-November right before our very eyes. You had to bring this up ... couldn't leave the scab on the wound .. pick .. pick ... pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Lindell USED to be a great kicker. I think he is on the downside of his career. As Marv Levy said "I'd rather cut a guy a year too early than a year too late." That's all I'm saying. I hear what you are sayng but the difficulty is finding a good one to replace him. A monster leg would help in the Ralph but guys that have this and accuracy are rare indeed. If I had to weight accuracy and leg strength (assuming that 40+ yarders are the measure of strength and inside the 40 relates to accuracy) I would put 30 points on strength and 70 on accuracy. My thought is that Lindell is close to this probably 25 75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 He's in the top quarter of the league for kickers IMO, granted he missed a couple clutch kicks this season. He also made tons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 I hear what you are sayng but the difficulty is finding a good one to replace him. A monster leg would help in the Ralph but guys that have this and accuracy are rare indeed. If I had to weight accuracy and leg strength (assuming that 40+ yarders are the measure of strength and inside the 40 relates to accuracy) I would put 30 points on strength and 70 on accuracy. My thought is that Lindell is close to this probably 25 75. They will have to replace him sometime, so keeping him even though there may be a better kicker available is a weak argument IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, are you freaking idiots kidding me. Lindell solidified the kicking position after the cluster!@#$ that was Arians, Graham (who we should have given a legit shot), and Hollis. There wasn't a game that Lindell lost for us this year, and actually very few over his tenure here. But 30 of 38 is very solid considering the elements for a couple of the games that the Bills played in this past season. If you are going to complain about missing the FG against New England* where the wind freaking blew the ball completely off course, then you got some issues. Steely, it does not surprise me that you are starting a witchhunt on a freaking kicker . If the player fans are trying to run out of town is a kicker, it means that kicker really sucks, the team is doing really well, or the fans are on crack. I am gonna guess that you are on crack because I think Lindell is solid. I hate this response. He is a decent kicker, but I want more. I want the guy who steals a game that we didn't deserve against Cleveland. I want a guy to not miss 2 chip shots in a 10-3 loss to SF. I want a guy who doesn't miss and not give us a td advantage on the road agaisnt Indy when they won the Super Bowl. I want a guy to miss a 30 yarder against Pit before Willie Parker breaks off a long run. Lindell isn't the biggest problem on this team. But he isn't a part of the solution. He can't kick accurately past 40 yards. Shouldn't NFL kickers be able to do that? I want better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Lindell had a bad season, but kickers do that some time. I'd take my chances with Lindell over Door #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 They will have to replace him sometime, so keeping him even though there may be a better kicker available is a weak argument IMO. If a kicker is available in the mid rounds then the Bills should go for it. This year there are so many other priorities to address. We need depth at WR, c, g, LB, QB .. I put all of these far ahead of a kicker at the moment. To your point though, we are within a two to three year window where we need to get serious about replacing Lindell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjosebillsfan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Nugent is a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I hate this response. He is a decent kicker, but I want more. I want the guy who steals a game that we didn't deserve against Cleveland. I want a guy to not miss 2 chip shots in a 10-3 loss to SF. I want a guy who doesn't miss and not give us a td advantage on the road agaisnt Indy when they won the Super Bowl. I want a guy to miss a 30 yarder against Pit before Willie Parker breaks off a long run. Lindell isn't the biggest problem on this team. But he isn't a part of the solution. He can't kick accurately past 40 yards. Shouldn't NFL kickers be able to do that? I want better. and i want a defensive front 7 that can get to the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 kicker is one of the least of our problems. i don't see why lindell wouldn't be here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 ..guys go hot and cold... remember, Chuck Knox cut Gary Anderson, who was terrible in pre-season, who went on to become maybe the best kicker of the 80's and 90's... He was also a pretty high draft pick, IIRC. Even Steve Christie was cut after a 'cold' season, then rebounded well to play for a few more years. Training camp competition is best for all positions, but he's good enough to stay considering all the other needs, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 He will be back, he is still better than half of the kickers in the NFL. He really only struggled in a few games, other than that he had a pretty good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 He's in the top quarter of the league for kickers IMO, granted he missed a couple clutch kicks this season. He also made tons. then why is he ranked 26 out of 39 in FG%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 With cash to the cap I believe cutting him wouldn't cost a thing against the cap. That goes down as the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted here. No matter what, cutting him would be a hit to the cap. It may be significant or not. C2C means nothing as far as the NFL is concerned relating to the salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 We can always draft Graham "Onions" Gano out of FSU. He's the best kicker in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 We can always draft Graham "Onions" Gano out of FSU. He's the best kicker in the draft. then when moorman eventually retires, gano can do punting & kicking like he did @ fsu too :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Nugent is a free agent. I love Ted, but hunting season & football season coincide & we all know how Ted loves his hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Not good enough for anymore because the winds in the Ralph need a very strong leg. I don't know how deep the kicker pool is in this draft but they should be able to get the best kicker in the draft in the fourth round or later. How well do drafted kickers work out? Never draft a kicker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coseybedaman Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Lindell is a very good kicker. He had a streak of 42 or so in a row under 40 yards. There are a lot of teams that would LOVE to have a consistant kicker like Lindell. Everyone complains about the Monday night kick that he missed. If we ever threw the ball further than 2 yards down field that would have been a chip shot field goal. Not to mention a couple of others that were missed were in very bad conditions which made his average a little worse than usual, but the kicker position is certainly not where our problem lies. Lindell is certainly never a kicker that has made me nervous. He is very sound and solid in my opinion. Now the offensive play calling this year was a disaster as far as I am concerned. Why bother paying Lee Evans and having quarterbacks with strong arms if we dump to the running backs every damn play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzaloha Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 We should bring in the Browns kicker who nailed a 56-yarder in mid-November right before our very eyes. Yeah, we can ask the Browns to cut him just so we can sign him. Moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yeah, we can ask the Browns to cut him just so we can sign him. Moron or we can trade jason peters for phil dawson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn Down For Watkins Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Wow, are you freaking idiots kidding me. Lindell solidified the kicking position after the cluster!@#$ that was Arians, Graham (who we should have given a legit shot), and Hollis. There wasn't a game that Lindell lost for us this year, and actually very few over his tenure here. But 30 of 38 is very solid considering the elements for a couple of the games that the Bills played in this past season. If you are going to complain about missing the FG against New England* where the wind freaking blew the ball completely off course, then you got some issues. Steely, it does not surprise me that you are starting a witchhunt on a freaking kicker . If the player fans are trying to run out of town is a kicker, it means that kicker really sucks, the team is doing really well, or the fans are on crack. I am gonna guess that you are on crack because I think Lindell is solid. Cough... Monday Nighter... Cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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