Psaunders Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 From what I can gather based on some quick research about other NFL stadiums about two hundred acres are needed for the stadium and adjacent parking. As it has been some time since I've been to downtown Niagara Falls I was wondering is there likely to be a parcel of land available that meets this size requirement? Hate to say it but last time I was in the downtown area it would have probably helped to run a bulldozer form one end to the other anyway. I am trying to put together information for another post but it makes no sense to pursue it if land in the city of Niagara Falls would not be available. Building a stadium in NIagra Falls does not make sense, there is nothing there to draw us to build one there. If we were to build a new stadium it should be done on our waterfront of BUffalo. there is nothing on it and if we can build a stadium there it would bring life back to it. I say if we build a new one go to the waterfront and keep our practice facilties in OP. Either go to the city of BUffalo or dont move at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Point # 2 is spot on Rockpile... Denver has tried to throw its hat in the ring for a Super Bowl at Invesco... aside from the fact that it's not an indoor/outdoor stadium, the city couldn't handle the convention infrastructure requirements Common, didn't they host a recent Democratic National Convention? Don't they have the most advanced airport in the nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Denver, the city that just hosted the Democratic convention, doesn't have the infrastructure to host the Superbowl? I don't think so. That's what I thought too. If a city can pull off a 3 ring circus like the DNC then they could certainly handle the SB! They've also got a terrific airport. That's part of the infrastructure fercryingoutloud! I think the main thing holding Denver back is all of the environmental wackos. Well, the environmental wackos and the survivalists. Well, the environmental wackos, the survivalists and the beggars. Well, the environmental wackos, the survivalists, the beggars and retards. <edit> I almost forgot the white supremicist movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Look, I'm just repeating what was printed in the news a couple years ago. wonder why the dnc didn't make the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Chipper Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 You would need major road work not just in thye bstreets surrounding Niagara Falls but another Grand Island bridge would be needed. If you were to travel from Niagara Falls to Buffalo via Grand Island traffic is slow now during rush hour. I could not imagine 70,000 people leaving a game at 4pm and trying to go through the island. Forget it- never happen. Downtown Buffalo is a much better idea. Why not use some of the steel from the casino that was started and not finished downtown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Common, didn't they host a recent Democratic National Convention? Don't they have the most advanced airport in the nation? Good God, you are in rare form today ain't ya? That's what I thought too. If a city can pull off a 3 ring circus like the DNC then they could certainly handle the SB! They've also got a terrific airport. That's part of the infrastructure fercryingoutloud! Wow, not even taking any warm-up tosses are ya, just bringin the heat!! I wish I had taken the DNC into consideration before I posted this. wonder why the dnc didn't make the papers Maybe I'll just delete my original post... as Robert DiVencenzo said: "what a stupid I am." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300yrds Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 How much did the state pony up for the new stadium in the bronx that new yankee stadium is paid for by steinbrener. the only thing paid for by the state is water, electric, gas, and roads. things that are considered public works. the structure itself is all yankee funded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Maybe I'll just delete my original post... as Robert DiVencenzo said: "what a stupid I am." Robert (whoevertheheckheis) must have known you well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Buffalo should build a floating stadium on Lake Erie. Of course, knowing buffalo, they'd forget to anchor it and it would take out the Peace Bridge and the grand island bridges before going over the falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOfTheRockpile Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 that new yankee stadium is paid for by steinbrener. the only thing paid for by the state is water, electric, gas, and roads. things that are considered public works. the structure itself is all yankee funded. Not entirely true. The fact is, NOBODY knows where each cent went. That project has been a clusterf--k from the start. But the state has paid HUNDREDS of millions of dollars for roads, infrastructure, land acquisition, building parking ramps, etc. The Yankees completely ripped off the taxpayers of the city, county and state of New York. Of that there is no dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOfTheRockpile Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 That's what I thought too. If a city can pull off a 3 ring circus like the DNC then they could certainly handle the SB! They've also got a terrific airport. That's part of the infrastructure fercryingoutloud! I think the main thing holding Denver back is all of the environmental wackos. Well, the environmental wackos and the survivalists. Well, the environmental wackos, the survivalists and the beggars. Well, the environmental wackos, the survivalists, the beggars and retards. <edit> I almost forgot the white supremicist movement. As I wrote in a post earlier in this thread, Denver WILL NEVER have a Super Bowl because their mean temperature at the time of the Super Bowl is NOT above 50 degrees and they do not have an indoor stadium to counteract that fact. Whatever their convention situation happens to be is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Buffalo should build a floating stadium on Lake Erie. Of course, knowing buffalo, they'd forget to anchor it and it would take out the Peace Bridge and the grand island bridges before going over the falls. i see a possible parking problem there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 As I wrote in a post earlier in this thread, Denver WILL NEVER have a Super Bowl because their mean temperature at the time of the Super Bowl is NOT above 50 degrees and they do not have an indoor stadium to counteract that fact. Whatever their convention situation happens to be is irrelevant. Why you feel the need to argue with me when I'm berating Bullpen is beyond me. Do you think I'm stupid? Do you not think I know that the Mile High City has been known to get 'interesting' weather from time to time? I don't care how mean and nasty their temperatures are, Bullpen is still full of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 i see a possible parking problem there.... they float, they all float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 From what I can gather based on some quick research about other NFL stadiums about two hundred acres are needed for the stadium and adjacent parking. As it has been some time since I've been to downtown Niagara Falls I was wondering is there likely to be a parcel of land available that meets this size requirement? Hate to say it but last time I was in the downtown area it would have probably helped to run a bulldozer form one end to the other anyway. I am trying to put together information for another post but it makes no sense to pursue it if land in the city of Niagara Falls would not be available. Ive been saying it for years. Moving them there ties in all the major markets of Buffalo, Toronto and Rochester and also tourist flow. Rename them the "Niagara Bills" so they're associated with the river/area and not a city, further encouraging fans from all over to call them their own. There's tons of room in the downtown NF area for this. The only thing missing is the vision and determination to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 they float, they all float no, BeerSphere, they don't - just ask ted kennedy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET1062 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Ive been saying it for years. Moving them there ties in all the major markets of Buffalo, Toronto and Rochester and also tourist flow. Rename them the "Niagara Bills" so they're associated with the river/area and not a city, further encouraging fans from all over to call them their own. There's tons of room in the downtown NF area for this. The only thing missing is the vision and determination to make it happen. If in Downtown Niagara Falls, Canadians would not have to drive across the bridges. They could simply park in NF Can, and walk across the Rainbow bridge. Plenty of parking over there Sept - Dec (non tourist season) An alternative route to the game to avoid the Grand Island Bridges, Cross the Peace Bridge drive to NF Can and walk over. Finally, In the future it would be nice to have a metro rail to Niagara Falls, regardless of if there is a stadium there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Why you feel the need to argue with me when I'm berating Bullpen is beyond me. Do you think I'm stupid? Do you not think I know that the Mile High City has been known to get 'interesting' weather from time to time? I don't care how mean and nasty their temperatures are, Bullpen is still full of crap. Wow, you really DO know how to turn people off don't you? Don't bring me into this again. I don't think the DNC was that big a deal anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Wow, you really DO know how to turn people off don't you? Don't bring me into this again. I don't think the DNC was that big a deal anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Ive been saying it for years. Moving them there ties in all the major markets of Buffalo, Toronto and Rochester and also tourist flow. Rename them the "Niagara Bills" so they're associated with the river/area and not a city, further encouraging fans from all over to call them their own. There's tons of room in the downtown NF area for this. The only thing missing is the vision and determination to make it happen. ridiculous---the brand is the BUFFALO BILLS--we have the best name in sports...the NIAGARA BILLs--phooey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Easy...knock down ECC South and build a new stadium across the street from the current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Easy...knock down ECC South and build a new stadium across the street from the current one. Worked for the Iggles and Phils.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Worked for the Iggles and Phils.... Where did all this we need a new stadium shiot start anyway? I would prefer a DE and TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 ridiculous---the brand is the BUFFALO BILLS--we have the best name in sports...the NIAGARA BILLs--phooey Well, they don't play in Buffalo now, and we don't call them the Orchard Park Bills. The Jets and Giants play in New Jersey, yet retain their New York handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Where did all this we need a new stadium shiot start anyway? I would prefer a DE and TE A DE, a TE, a C and later a new stadium...90,000, open-air nut house! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I know this is completely off topic, but thanks for the book reference. When my wife and I come home to WNY to visit my mom, we often go to Niagara on the Lake and some of the vineyards around there (there is a cool English pub that we always eat at- great food, can't remember the name). It is like night and day compared to the U.S. side and we always wonder- why? I think the area, like a lot of WNY, has a ton of potential that just hasn't been tapped- the area just seems to have taken a severe pounding over the heavy industrial "boom" years. The one US-CAN border area that I have been to that seems to reverse this trend where the US is the more "industrial" side is Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan vs. Ontario... Well just in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Reopen the 'Turtle'! I used to love the Turtle restaurant; onion soup was absolutely wonderful. You have to look at it historically. The American side was industrial... That is what we did with it. The only thing that saved it from being a total cesspool and from total unscrupulous industrial/commercial exploitation was designating the State Park... I think it was one of the first in the country?? J You are right about the park being old. It is New York's oldest state park established in 1885. Canadian side had advantages in beginning for development. Aid provided by Canadian government, Niagara Falls being one of the more southern points in Canada hence attractive to Canadian groups and of course the dollar - lunnie ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Canadian side had advantages in beginning for development. Aid provided by Canadian government, Niagara Falls being one of the more southern points in Canada hence attractive to Canadian groups and of course the dollar - lunnie ratio. Ya... I guess it is kinda like their Vegas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 --old Buffalo Bill Cowboy and Indian show on the REZ....Smoking allowed--encouraged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in the stadium. Would be a wild success Allow smoking and you lose me and thousands and thousands of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Niagara Falls is perhaps the most polluted city in ratio of population in the whole Northeast. Love Canal is but the tip of the iceberg, and the city has been denial for years. Niagara University and adjacent lands have been ruined by decades of chemical dumping. No way in hell... big mistake- too bad Jimbo doesn't know the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Well, they don't play in Buffalo now, and we don't call them the Orchard Park Bills. The Jets and Giants play in New Jersey, yet retain their New York handles. Orchard Park is a suburb of Buffalo that's not only close enough, but it's in the same state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Buffalo should build a floating stadium on Lake Erie. Of course, knowing buffalo, they'd forget to anchor it and it would take out the Peace Bridge and the grand island bridges before going over the falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Orchard Park is a suburb of Buffalo that's not only close enough, but it's in the same state So is Niagara Falls, NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Jim Kelly couldn't run a restaurant in the Main Place Mall, which - by the by - he still carries debt for (people he owes money to are STILL trying to collect). I'd have very little confidence in him running the Bills. The best we can hope for at this point is that he's become hunting buddies with someone - or met someone through his Hunter's Hope/universal newborn screeing work - with boatloads of cash. Billions. He'd likely be a figurehead/minority owner for a purchase group at that point. There is a long list of people who've failed massively at running restaurants. I wouldn't use that as a gauge of any sort. Not that I don't agree with you on your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I agree with the guy who said the Bills should overhaul the existing stadium much like Soldier Field. The problem is, it would take more than a Buffalo winter and a summer. I would sacrifice a half or full season in Toronto if I knew the Bills were in Buffalo to stay once the "new stadium" were built. As far as building a brand new stadium in Niagara Falls.... Unions would see to it that it would never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Orchard Park is a suburb of Buffalo that's not only close enough, but it's in the same state Per Google Maps, RWS in Orchard Park is 9.1 miles from Buffalo's City Hall. The Seneca Niagara Casino, in Niagara Falls, NEW YORK is 16.5 miles from Buffalo's City Hall. As has been pointed out, Niagara Falls IS in the same state as Buffalo (so I'm not sure what your point is). I pointed out that The New York Giants and Jets play in New Jersey (16.8 miles from NYC City Hall) and they are still called the NEW YORK Jets and Giants. This was in rebuttal to someone that suggested that playing games in Niagara Falls would result in the Bills being the Niagara Bills. I think you will find that the 16.5 miles from the city center, is NOT a terribly unusual situation for an NFL stadium. With that said, I don't think that a Niagara Falls stadium is likely to happen, or even the best choice, at this point in time. But, it isn't because it is too far from Buffalo, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 There is a long list of people who've failed massively at running restaurants. I wouldn't use that as a gauge of any sort. Not that I don't agree with you on your point. Correct. Also, does anyone really think that Jim Kelly would be running the Bills? IF Kelly is involved with an ownership group (and that's a pretty big "if"), it is probably as the public face of the people with the $$ to buy the team (Jim doesn't have that kind of dough. Jim will not be running the Buffalo Bills, under any circumstances, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Correct. Also, does anyone really think that Jim Kelly would be running the Bills? IF Kelly is involved with an ownership group (and that's a pretty big "if"), it is probably as the public face of the people with the $$ to buy the team (Jim doesn't have that kind of dough. Jim will not be running the Buffalo Bills, under any circumstances, IMO. I think you are exactly spot on relative to Kelly. If he was interested in a GM or some other role with the team he would have it now. I think he is focused on his Hunter's hope foundation and some business interests. As for the other comments about restaurant failure inidicating an inability to run a business - perhpas this is the case but keep in mind that restaurants are the most commonly started and failed businesses in the US. They tend to be either bust and dead or boom and bust with very few lasting into the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Per Google Maps, RWS in Orchard Park is 9.1 miles from Buffalo's City Hall. The Seneca Niagara Casino, in Niagara Falls, NEW YORK is 16.5 miles from Buffalo's City Hall. As has been pointed out, Niagara Falls IS in the same state as Buffalo (so I'm not sure what your point is). I pointed out that The New York Giants and Jets play in New Jersey (16.8 miles from NYC City Hall) and they are still called the NEW YORK Jets and Giants. This was in rebuttal to someone that suggested that playing games in Niagara Falls would result in the Bills being the Niagara Bills. I think you will find that the 16.5 miles from the city center, is NOT a terribly unusual situation for an NFL stadium. With that said, I don't think that a Niagara Falls stadium is likely to happen, or even the best choice, at this point in time. But, it isn't because it is too far from Buffalo, IMO. Building a new stadium near Niagara falls is something Jimbo and I have been preaching about for awhile now, the most important aspect of being closer to the Canadian border is the increase in revenues it would bring to the organization. More money in gives you more money to spend, better coaching and more FA's equals playoffs and playoffs brings in more money. OF COURSE JIM KELLY IS RIGHT, ITS A WIN, WIN SITUATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 we often go to Niagara on the Lake and some of the vineyards around there (there is a cool English pub that we always eat at- great food, can't remember the name). . The Olde Angel Inn? http://www.angel-inn.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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