Guest three3 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Those plays are exciting, but he makes a lot of bad mistakes in between. He takes too long to read defences, forces throws and panics. Consistency is an issue. If he had a short and medium pass arsenal he would be lights out, but alas he is deep ball only. You can't win games with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 but he does something that few others can do. someone like jeff garcia, trent edwards, david garrard cant throw balls that far, he just needs the right playbook and tall wrs - u see how he hooked up with hardy right away - he is more inaccurate than trent so the bigger his target the better i agree he makes the mistakes but i have a feeling those will be reduced when his confidence grows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 but he does something that few others can do. someone like jeff garcia, trent edwards, david garrard cant throw balls that far, he just needs the right playbook and tall wrs - u see how he hooked up with hardy right away - he is more inaccurate than trent so the bigger his target the better i agree he makes the mistakes but i have a feeling those will be reduced when his confidence grows So what? You don't win in January by hitting a bomb or two per game. You win by moving the chains, wearing out the opposing defense (while keeping yours fresh) and scoring consistently. As backups go JP is adequate but hardly ideal, and certainly not worth the money he's making. And his confidence is never going to improve in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 The only team where he might fit (Oakland) already has its quarterback and he'd be there only as a backup. I think he might, given the nature of the position, get in for a while somewhere this season, but he'd better show more if he does. To be fair we really sucked everywhere in the Arizona game and I can't point at JP as the key to that loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 if you put jp in az, jax, dallas - teams with decent or better o lines and tall good wrs - i think jp would have had a lot more success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 man, that pass was absolutely gorgeous.. that being said, jp has a lot of stuff that he needs to work on to be a successful NFL qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 The only team where he might fit (Oakland) already has its quarterback and he'd be there only as a backup. I think he might, given the nature of the position, get in for a while somewhere this season, but he'd better show more if he does. To be fair we really sucked everywhere in the Arizona game and I can't point at JP as the key to that loss. Oakland has its QB? What!? Yeah, they have a ton of dough tied up in him, but he has looked terrible and is struggling mightily in the disaster soap opera that is Raider-Nation. He inches closer to bust status with each game. Two more years will tell for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 if you put jp in az, jax, dallas - teams with decent or better o lines and tall good wrs - i think jp would have had a lot more success Doubtful he would be considered an option in Jax or Dallas considering the QB's they have. In AZ, Warner is old so it's possible, but after what he has shown in his career, do you really think that any GM in the NFL will give him a chance to screw up an already "put together" team? Not a chance. AZ will go after one of the numerous other free agent QB's after this season who have already proven that they can win when they have a good team. JP's never had a great team around him, but no GM will roll the dice with him, and I can't say that I blame them. He'll be a backup wherever he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 if you put jp in az, jax, dallas - teams with decent or better o lines and tall good wrs - i think jp would have had a lot more success He doesn't make decisions quickly enough (or he hasn't shown a consistent ability to do so) for Az. The Cards offense works because Warner gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Short accurate throws that hit receivers in stride. I avoid watching Dallas so I can't comment on them except to say that Romo got kilt vs. Az. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 not true. when boldin is involved az passes more mid to deep routes, exactly the type of playbook losman needs. and kurt warner has not gotten the ball out quickly this whole year. only he past couple games has he done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 not true. when boldin is involved az passes more mid to deep routes, exactly the type of playbook losman needs. and kurt warner has not gotten the ball out quickly this whole year. only he past couple games has he done that. You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Absolutely right, throwing deep is the key to NFL quarterbacking success! Just look at all those Super Bowls Jeff George won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Losman is Calm Like a BOMB..come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 So what? You don't win in January by hitting a bomb or two per game. You win by moving the chains, wearing out the opposing defense (while keeping yours fresh) and scoring consistently. As backups go JP is adequate but hardly ideal, and certainly not worth the money he's making. And his confidence is never going to improve in Buffalo. Calling Crayonz! Can we win with glove boy in January? Cold weather wasn't kind to him last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 not true. when boldin is involved az passes more mid to deep routes, exactly the type of playbook losman needs. and kurt warner has not gotten the ball out quickly this whole year. only he past couple games has he done that. Where 4 days away from the biggest game this franchise has played since the bledsoe debacle against the steelers 4 years ago & this is the kind of crap you post. Losman is done here, it is over, let the healing begin. Someone will bring him onto camp next year given the sorry state of the qb position in the NFL these days, but so what? He will not be a bill next year & whatever team he goes to I wish him luck. With his shortcomings playing QB, he is going to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Those plays are exciting, but he makes a lot of bad mistakes in between. He takes too long to read defences, forces throws and panics. Consistency is an issue. If he had a short and medium pass arsenal he would be lights out, but alas he is deep ball only. You can't win games with that. All that is so...but that toss of his to Evans was as sweet as they ever come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots There is a place where JP can find a coaching staff & a playbook suited to deep passing-It's called Arena Football. JP Durable? 1st season-missed the 1st 4 games with a broken leg. 2nd season missed one game outright because he was too banged up, didn't play the final two after that one either because he was injured as the coach said, or the coach was too afraid to put him back in. 4th season-the knee injury. He's missed time in 3 of 4 seasons, he's no Bret Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 but he does something that few others can do. someone like jeff garcia, trent edwards, david garrard cant throw balls that far, he just needs the right playbook and tall wrs - u see how he hooked up with hardy right away - he is more inaccurate than trent so the bigger his target the better i agree he makes the mistakes but i have a feeling those will be reduced when his confidence grows The problem is that NFL playbooks can't be like those you see in Tecmo Super Bowl. You can't just have 4 passing plays - all of them slight variations of a Hail Mary pass - and expect to win. Defenses adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Where 4 days away from the biggest game this franchise has played since the bledsoe debacle against the steelers 4 years ago & this is the kind of crap you post. Losman is done here, it is over, let the healing begin. Someone will bring him onto camp next year given the sorry state of the qb position in the NFL these days, but so what? He will not be a bill next year & whatever team he goes to I wish him luck. With his shortcomings playing QB, he is going to need it. If that is the case (and I agree with you!), then move Hamdan to the #2 QB spot to back up Edwards. I'd like to see him in action if the need arises... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots Those plays are low percentage plays in the NFL and have more chances of missing the receivers (as we have seen between Losman and Evans) than connecting. The NFL is all about moving the chains with a good running game and an offense that makes the least amount of mistakes (fumbles, sacks etc). The long balls require the play to develop and will invariably cause the mistakes to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers He'll make the same mistakes that he made here, but won't have anyone else left to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots That's about all JP has demonstrated he can do in the passing game, unfortunately. If our receivers could get behind the coverage on a consistent basis AND the OL could pass protect, things might be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasCal1 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 arm strength is not the most important part of a qb. brains win. joe montana didn't exactly have a rocket arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots it was 62 yards in the air.....lots of high scholl qbs can do that...dont get carried away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots Hasn't this excuse of it being the coaches run it's coarse yet? Come on already, wake up , Losman is in his 5th year, it has nothing to do with the coaches. The lengths Losman fans will go to to make him out to be a player amazes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 if you put jp in az, jax, dallas - teams with decent or better o lines and tall good wrs - i think jp would have had a lot more success So would any QB. Some people never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots The bomb is great, but it only works when it gets set up with a successful short passing game along with an effective run game. In other words, the playbook the Bills have right now is perfect for setting up an occasional bomb, but to build an entire passing game around the bomb I don't think will work. You might make the highlight reel every other week, but the L's will mount up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNW_Bills_Fan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The bomb is great, but it only works when it gets set up with a successful short passing game along with an effective run game. In other words, the playbook the Bills have right now is perfect for setting up an occasional bomb, but to build an entire passing game around the bomb I don't think will work. You might make the highlight reel every other week, but the L's will mount up. and have mounted up over the years. JP will only be a starter on this team if TE gets hurt. Then next year he will be on another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 and have mounted up over the years. JP will only be a starter on this team if TE gets hurt. Then next year he will be on another team. If TE gets hurt and JP leads the team deep in the playoffs or a SB win. He's back and TE is riding the pine. No saying it's gonna happen, but it could. There's 11 games left. None of us knows what is gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I 90 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 A Jeff Blake-like career for Losman wouldn't be so bad, I guess. He'll have to do it elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 it was 62 yards in the air.....lots of high scholl qbs can do that...dont get carried away yeah, i can throw a ball 62 yards in the air too, but i can't hit a receiver streaking down the sideline perfectly in stride. gotta give him props, that was a gorgeous pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 actually Matt Ryans throw was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 yeah, i can throw a ball 62 yards in the air too, but i can't hit a receiver streaking down the sideline perfectly in stride. gotta give him props, that was a gorgeous pass. Exactly. And, seriously, there MIGHT be a handful of high school players that can throw the ball 62 yards in the air like that. And that's a big maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots The fun n gun is played at Hawaii. June Jones was a fanboy of bombs away every play. I don't think he knows what a RB is to this very day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanGuzman Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 it was 62 yards in the air.....lots of high scholl qbs can do that...dont get carried away The CFL has an annual QB challenge in which QBs compete in events like longest throw, accuracy and agility drills. Anyway there are a lot of guys with big arms in the CFL Michael Bishop won it last time with a throw of 65 yards keep in mind that he didn't have to hit a target, had no rush and simply had to have the ball land in bounds (I think the width was 10 yards) its kinda of like a long drive contest actually. Anyway point is J.P threw a 63 yard strike on the money w/ a pass rush - - it was one of the most impressive display of arm strength I have ever seen in a game. Does that mean J.P should automatically start somewhere hell no, it just means the guy has a f-ing rocket launcher for an arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 chances are we will see losman play again this year, it's the nature of the position and sport. but i think we have overlooked the deep bomb to evans. that has to be the longest td pass thrown this year as far as how far the ball was thrown it was longer than the romo mnf pass to owens, i'm almost positive of that what if jp gets the right coaching staff and a playbook suited to deep passing with tall wide receivers - he is going to be real good in that type of situation. and he is durable except when being cheap shotted by the patriots May I ask.. What good did it do? We lost the game. That is a BIG what if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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