Saudis tell Bush to go F himself

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Gotta start somewhere

Exactly, but you don’t start a lunar mission without a plan as to how to get the astronauts home. You may not understand it yet, but we’re on a collision course with some serious problems. The light at the other end of the tunnel isn’t daylight Tibs. It’s an oncoming train! 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly, but you don’t start a lunar mission without a plan as to how to get the astronauts home. You may not understand it yet, but we’re on a collision course with some serious problems. The light at the other end of the tunnel isn’t daylight Tibs. It’s an oncoming train! 

So glad Biden is our president 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

So glad Biden is our president 

Well I tried to have a somewhat serious discussion but we’ve ‘circled back’ to the partisan nonsense. Enjoy your day. 

[T master]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Crazy, huh? How did Trump lose then? ha ha, I mean all the advantages and the clown still got his ass beat badly! 

 

Trump sucks! 

Biden will find a way! 

 

This is probably a blessing, let's cut those Saudi ties sooner rather than later. 

 

The oil barons are out for our democracy and really, so are you guys 

 

They were cut a lot less before good ole Joe made some of his Find a way decisions that he did remember he was the one that went running back to them when he decided to end other policy's that seemed to be working that's why fuel costs were lower .

 

You need to move on Trump is gone no longer making decisions you need to focus on the ignorant things this president is doing but you refuse which just goes to show how big a fool you are living in the past .

 

If you held Old Joe's feet to the fire the way you did Trump it would be one thing but your bias sticks out in every single word or opinion you put down !! 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, T master said:

 

They were cut a lot less before good ole Joe made some of his Find a way decisions that he did remember he was the one that went running back to them when he decided to end other policy's that seemed to be working that's why fuel costs were lower .

 

You need to move on Trump is gone no longer making decisions you need to focus on the ignorant things this president is doing but you refuse which just goes to show how big a fool you are living in the past .

 

If you held Old Joe's feet to the fire the way you did Trump it would be one thing but your bias sticks out in every single word or opinion you put down !! 

I'll be happy when your crazy, anti-republic side, gets past Trump and attempted stealing of elections. Your side is really f'd up. 

 

When you guys cheat your way to power, are you going to fight and kill to keep the democratic process from working? 

 

 

[Doc]

Joke's policies have made everything worse.  The majority of people see it.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

I'll be happy when your crazy, anti-republic side, gets past Trump and attempted stealing of elections. Your side is really f'd up. 

 

When you guys cheat your way to power, are you going to fight and kill to keep the democratic process from working? 

 

 

You just need to remember that Biden's policy failures are going to hurt everyone.  Fate and karma don't discriminate between political ideologies when it comes to handing out punishment for bad decisions.  Consequences are not going to skip liberal or conservative households on your street. 

 

From statements today the administration is preparing some sort of response to the OPEC+ decision to cut 2M/bbl per day and I expect all options are on the table but one, which is to increase domestic production.  The single option where we control all the factors.  The single option that requires no coercion or support from anyone else.  The single option where you can solve your problem directly where you have the ability but not the will to solve it yourself.  But this administration is so hung up on destroying the conventional energy market that they're willing to destroy our economy to do it.      

[Doc]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You just need to remember that Biden's policy failures are going to hurt everyone.  Fate and karma don't discriminate between political ideologies when it comes to handing out punishment for bad decisions.  Consequences are not going to skip liberal or conservative households on your street. 

 

From statements today the administration is preparing some sort of response to the OPEC+ decision to cut 2M/bbl per day and I expect all options are on the table but one, which is to increase domestic production.  The single option where we control all the factors.  The single option that requires no coercion or support from anyone else.  The single option where you can solve your problem directly where you have the ability but not the will to solve it yourself.  But this administration is so hung up on destroying the conventional energy market that they're willing to destroy our economy to do it.      

 

They're prepared to go down with the global warming ship and take the country with it.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You don't care, you welcome the help of that government. They are picking your side, so you don't care. 

 

Come over and choose freedom and free government

50 years, Tibs, 50 years this guy has been in office, and you allow him to lead you by the nose.  
 

Now, you’re so simple as to post a link that literally shouts “JOE BIDEN CAN SEND A MESSAGE NOW!” and it goes right over your head.  
 

You buy into some cockamamie story about the some random hero democrat writing legislation to expose Republicans just before the midterms.
 

I really can’t believe how extreme people like you are. 
 

 

  

[sherpa]

Ya know, just as a guy who follows the energy markets.....

The OPEC cut by the Saudis is a production limit cut announcement.

They. OPEC, weren't producing at the limit anyway, so  other than the headline stuff, it isn't that big of a deal.

 

Short term, markets react.

Long term, with Europe heading into a tough winter, it isn't needed.

 

 

 

[T master]

8 hours ago, Tiberius said:

I'll be happy when your crazy, anti-republic side, gets past Trump and attempted stealing of elections. Your side is really f'd up. 

 

When you guys cheat your way to power, are you going to fight and kill to keep the democratic process from working? 

 

 

 

I haven't a clue WTH you are talking about i've never been anti republic & am sick of hereing about voter BS . But as far as stealing a election that's not going to happen because Joe is going to make it easy hell even the people that did back him don't want him to run again .

 

So i'm thinking who ever they decide to back will be a show in th epeopel are tired of stupid i even read a article about a person that use to think Trump was a moron but since Joe as been in office & seeing what he has done has changed this persons outlook & they said they would now back Trump .

 

They still don't like his ego but they have seen how much better his policy's were than what they are now and would rather have that than what is being put out there from this administration so there will be no stealing needed Joe will hand it over on a silver platter !!

 

But we all know you will still be leading the charge because your vision is biased & common sense doesn't come into play when your making a decision just like Joe ...

[Niagara Bill]

23 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You don't care, you welcome the help of that government. They are picking your side, so you don't care. 

 

Come over and choose freedom and free government

Let's see...AOC is freedom?

Nancy is freedom?

Joe is freedom?

Seriously Tibs.....

Is freedom giving a country over to illegal immigrants, 

Is freedom tax and giveaways 

Is freedom allowing your enemies control your energy sources

Is freedom having your government pass more laws in a month to control you than most countries pass in a decade

Is freedom  allowing career criminals back onto the streets to terrorize working citizen's 

I certainly have chosen freedom,  and pre 1990s so did the US. Then Clinton, Obama were the ones who limited freedom. The latest version of dems is worse.

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Let's see...AOC is freedom?

Nancy is freedom?

Joe is freedom?

Seriously Tibs.....

Is freedom giving a country over to illegal immigrants, 

Is freedom tax and giveaways 

Is freedom allowing your enemies control your energy sources

Is freedom having your government pass more laws in a month to control you than most countries pass in a decade

Is freedom  allowing career criminals back onto the streets to terrorize working citizen's 

I certainly have chosen freedom,  and pre 1990s so did the US. Then Clinton, Obama were the ones who limited freedom. The latest version of dems is worse.

 

Nancy ?? Yes sir. You are drunk on Fox news if you don't think so 

[Niagara Bill]

23 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Nancy ?? Yes sir. You are drunk on Fox news if you don't think so 

Cali has freedoms?

And I wouldn't watch Fox news if it was the only channel. In fact, in Canada you have to pay a premium to watch it...that would be a waste. 

But freedom is not giving my money to illegals for housing, food, education, medical and protectionwhen they do not even pay taxes. 

Freedom for illegals in her mind is more important than mine or yours.

She is the ultimate NIMBY. 

I didn't see Obama open his Martha's house for a busload.

Protection for drug users, injection sites, no penalty, is nothing more than taking away freedoms from other tax payers and enhancing cartels business plans. It has forced military style policing. 

Have you read crime stats at all. 

And tax paying citizens foot the bill. 

The balloon is over inflated.

And by the way, I think trump was the second biggest mistake the US citizens ever made in Presidential elections. Obama was the worst and regardless of some minor break in during the greatest election victory in 100 years Nixon was an incredible Pres. So as you see, I do not pick sides, just issues.

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, Niagara Bill said:

Cali has freedoms?

And I wouldn't watch Fox news if it was the only channel. In fact, in Canada you have to pay a premium to watch it...that would be a waste. 

But freedom is not giving my money to illegals for housing, food, education, medical and protectionwhen they do not even pay taxes. 

Freedom for illegals in her mind is more important than mine or yours.

She is the ultimate NIMBY. 

I didn't see Obama open his Martha's house for a busload.

Protection for drug users, injection sites, no penalty, is nothing more than taking away freedoms from other tax payers and enhancing cartels business plans. It has forced military style policing. 

Have you read crime stats at all. 

And tax paying citizens foot the bill. 

The balloon is over inflated.

And by the way, I think trump was the second biggest mistake the US citizens ever made in Presidential elections. Obama was the worst and regardless of some minor break in during the greatest election victory in 100 years Nixon was an incredible Pres. So as you see, I do not pick sides, just issues.

 

Nancy is a good one! California is a capitalist dream and mess, victim of their own amazing success. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

30 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nancy is a good one! California is a capitalist dream and mess, victim of their own amazing success. 

 

 

Well living here I can confirm it’s a mess alright. 

[Niagara Bill]

35 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nancy is a good one! California is a capitalist dream and mess, victim of their own amazing success. 

 

 

Capitalist dream if you sell drugs or are a slum lord.

A beautiful state, rich in culture and abundance of land but what did she add, drugs, injection sites, illegal rights, poor education. 

You don't have to drive too far from Stanford Cardinal land to see the other side of what she has helped create in a state so lush and wealthy.

[Albwan]

JOE BIDEN SUCKS

[JDHillFan]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/07/opinions/biden-mbs-oil-opec-fist-bump-andelman/index.html 

 

So much for cozying up to the Saudis – President Joe Biden’s much-hyped fist bump with Mohammed bin Salman during a trip to the Middle East back in July has turned into something of a slap across the face from the crown prince.

[SoCal Deek]

This is an unforced error on a grand scale. Middle and lower income people do not have the disposable income to keep dumping money into their gas tanks and grocery carts on a weekly basis. Not sure what the Biden Administration was thinking here, or if they care, but they were clearly caught flat footed by all of this. Transitory, my arse! There’s going to be some serious damage before we get to the new green utopia (which we never will) that these people’s religion are pining away for. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 10/7/2022 at 9:14 AM, Tiberius said:

Gotta start somewhere

In your scenario, Biden started in the mid-1970s.  
 

Soon though. So so soon.  

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

In your scenario, Biden started in the mid-1970s.  
 

Soon though. So so soon.  

What is your opinion of the Conservative politicians that still have it illegal and want to keep it that way? 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

I’M SO OLD I CAN REMEMBER WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS GOING TO RESTORE AMERICA’S RESPECT AND STANDING ON THE WORLD STAGE: 

 

The Saudis Are F***ing With Joe Biden Again and It Is Going to Cost You More Money.

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2022/10/08/the-saudis-are-fing-with-joe-biden-again-and-it-is-going-to-cost-you-more-money-n1635475

 

 

 

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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

What is your opinion of the Conservative politicians that still have it illegal and want to keep it that way? 

As always, I’m happy to answer any question posed by non-toxic posters. 
 

I don’t understand the question here.  What are you referencing? 
 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

As always, I’m happy to answer any question posed by non-toxic posters. 
 

I don’t understand the question here.  What are you referencing? 
 

 

 

 

Red states and pot still being illegal. Good, bad, or don't care? 

 

Biden bad, though 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Red states and pot still being illegal. Good, bad, or don't care? 

 

Biden bad, though 

You're throwing out questions on issues decided at the state level in a thread about Biden appealing for oil sanctuary status from the Saudi government?  At least have the self-respect to fully form the question. 

 

Pot, generally, I don't care so much about on a personal level.  On the societal level, I think the mixed messaging (legalize! decriminalized! medicinal!) has created confusion and conflict for far too many years.  The average kid growing up over the past couple decades has been hearing how great it is, how impactful it can be, how it's going to be legal soon, and yet there remained issues that created problems pretty much across the board.  

 

It is interesting, though, that you chose marijuana to bolster the street cred of Joe Biden.  Biden's lack of leadership on this issue---reveals incompetence at a minimum, a trend toward overt hostility and racial targeting in the worst case scenario.   It's only a couple short years ago where he was against legalization and was called to the carpet by Corey Booker in a presidential debate.   He's been responsible, in whole or part, for the destruction of neighborhoods and likely tens (hundreds?) of thousands of individuals as a result.  

 

Pot should be legalized, though not necessarily on the blue state model.  NY has found a way to even screw this thing up.

 

Biden and the energy crisis is 50 years in the making, and we both know it. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You're throwing out questions on issues decided at the state level in a thread about Biden appealing for oil sanctuary status from the Saudi government?  At least have the self-respect to fully form the question. 

 

Pot, generally, I don't care so much about on a personal level.  On the societal level, I think the mixed messaging (legalize! decriminalized! medicinal!) has created confusion and conflict for far too many years.  The average kid growing up over the past couple decades has been hearing how great it is, how impactful it can be, how it's going to be legal soon, and yet there remained issues that created problems pretty much across the board.  

 

It is interesting, though, that you chose marijuana to bolster the street cred of Joe Biden.  Biden's lack of leadership on this issue---reveals incompetence at a minimum, a trend toward overt hostility and racial targeting in the worst case scenario.   It's only a couple short years ago where he was against legalization and was called to the carpet by Corey Booker in a presidential debate.   He's been responsible, in whole or part, for the destruction of neighborhoods and likely tens (hundreds?) of thousands of individuals as a result.  

 

Pot should be legalized, though not necessarily on the blue state model.  NY has found a way to even screw this thing up.

 

Biden and the energy crisis is 50 years in the making, and we both know it. 

 

 

So Biden is better than the red state politicians who still make pot illegal, correct? 

 

Biden is correct on this issue, you agree? 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So Biden is better than the red state politicians who still make pot illegal, correct? 

 

Biden is correct on this issue, you agree? 

 

 

I assume you're speaking about the marijuana pardon when you suggest he is "correct on this issue"?

 

No, I don't think he's 'correct' on this issue.  He did what he always seems to do--leverage the lives of human beings and their relative happiness in purely political terms.  It's no surprise the announcement comes as the mid-terms approached.  He's been in office nearly 2 years, and if he truly believed in the righteousness of his actions, he let victims of over-officious government twist in the wind until it made sense for him, not for them.    That he was largely influential in the policies that had these people needing a presidential pardon to being with makes his actions all the more offensive.  

 

Questions remain as to whether or not he went far enough here, likely due in part to the strategic timing of this pardon. 

 

As for politicians being 'better or worse', it's hard to imagine a politician worse than Biden all things considered.  He's been directly and consistently  involved in legislation and policy that hurts people on a massive scale.   I'd compare this action to a store owner sworn to the fight against big tobacco thinking he's doing the right by only selling the kids cigarettes with filters, or steering them to e-cigs. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I assume you're speaking about the marijuana pardon when you suggest he is "correct on this issue"?

 

No, I don't think he's 'correct' on this issue.  He did what he always seems to do--leverage the lives of human beings and their relative happiness in purely political terms.  It's no surprise the announcement comes as the mid-terms approached.  He's been in office nearly 2 years, and if he truly believed in the righteousness of his actions, he let victims of over-officious government twist in the wind until it made sense for him, not for them.    That he was largely influential in the policies that had these people needing a presidential pardon to being with makes his actions all the more offensive.  

 

Questions remain as to whether or not he went far enough here, likely due in part to the strategic timing of this pardon. 

 

As for politicians being 'better or worse', it's hard to imagine a politician worse than Biden all things considered.  He's been directly and consistently  involved in legislation and policy that hurts people on a massive scale.   I'd compare this action to a store owner sworn to the fight against big tobacco thinking he's doing the right by only selling the kids cigarettes with filters, or steering them to e-cigs. 

 

 

He did good. About time leaders led on this issue. Those red states still arresting, prosecuting and giving criminal records for possessing this is horrible. Evolve already. 

 

That you blame a politician for being a politician is funny. OMG, you mean he might want to win votes with an issue? Ya don't say? 

 

You must of really hated Trump scapegoating immigrants to get votes. Oh wait, no you wouldn't, that's ok. What could go wrong with spreading hate like that? 

 

Here's a pic of Walmart shooting victims after Trump was screaming about an invasion 

 

 

 

 

Spare me your fake outrage 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He did good. About time leaders led on this issue. Those red states still arresting, prosecuting and giving criminal records for possessing this is horrible. Evolve already. 

 

That you blame a politician for being a politician is funny. OMG, you mean he might want to win votes with an issue? Ya don't say? 

Biden's pardon didn't solve the issues you've just outlined on the federal level, Tibs.  In that regard, he didn't evolve at all, and recognized folks like you wouldn't know the difference.   It's a trend with you.  As for the obvious political ploy here, you asked a question and I answered it.   You are so worried about all this but sit around with your thumb up your keister until Biden tells you it;s time to rejoice.  This is the opposite of evolving, Tibs.  

 

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

You must of really hated Trump scapegoating immigrants to get votes. Oh wait, no you wouldn't, that's ok. What could go wrong with spreading hate like that? 

 

Here's a pic of Walmart shooting victims after Trump was screaming about an invasion 

 

 

 

 

Spare me your fake outrage 

This is like watching Biden just wander about the stage, not even sure what he's supposed to be talking about, who he is supposed to be angry at, and not 100% sure where he is.  I wonder if you have a Dr. Jill Tiberius in your life to help you navigate each step.  If you do, you should text her, tell her she's failing you miserably, and get your money back. 

[SoCal Deek]

40 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Biden's pardon didn't solve the issues you've just outlined on the federal level, Tibs.  In that regard, he didn't evolve at all, and recognized folks like you wouldn't know the difference.   It's a trend with you.  As for the obvious political ploy here, you asked a question and I answered it.   You are so worried about all this but sit around with your thumb up your keister until Biden tells you it;s time to rejoice.  This is the opposite of evolving, Tibs.  

 

This is like watching Biden just wander about the stage, not even sure what he's supposed to be talking about, who he is supposed to be angry at, and not 100% sure where he is.  I wonder if you have a Dr. Jill Tiberius in your life to help you navigate each step.  If you do, you should text her, tell her she's failing you miserably, and get your money back. 

Talk about having missed the mark…in a thread dedicated to Uncle Joe being disrespected by OPEC, Tibs has managed to work in a debate about legalizing pot. (I wonder why….no I actually don’t) Sheeesy! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Talk about having missed the mark…in a thread dedicated to Uncle Joe being disrespected by OPEC, Tibs has managed to work in a debate about legalizing pot. (I wonder why….no I actually don’t) Sheeesy! 

OPEC understands that Uncle Joe is no more making Presidential decisions than I am.  As such they aren't so much disrespecting him as they are ignoring him and sending the message they prefer to deal directly with whomever it is that the DNC appointed as President rather than the guy elected by the voters.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

OPEC understands that Uncle Joe is no more making Presidential decisions than I am.  As such they aren't so much disrespecting him as they are ignoring him and sending the message they prefer to deal directly with whomever it is that the DNC appointed as President rather than the guy elected by the voters.

That may be true but from Joe’s hot mic comment he thinks he’s in charge and he thinks he’s been disrespected, whether OPEC intended it or not. As usual the Dems thought they could enact all of this ‘hope and change’ and that the rest of the nation/world would just sit and watch. They’ve yet to understand the concept that there’s always a reaction to every new policy. They always seemed shocked. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Talk about having missed the mark…in a thread dedicated to Uncle Joe being disrespected by OPEC, Tibs has managed to work in a debate about legalizing pot. (I wonder why….no I actually don’t) Sheeesy! 

I know, and I went along with him down the rabbit hole.  I generally think if you can find some common ground, we can have dialogue like a couple adults and dealing with both issues.  I had no idea what he was talking about initially when he brought up something about republicans wanting to make something about Saudi Arabia illegal.  Next thing I knew, Tibsy was on to pardons and the wondrous evolution of Biden from oppressor to savior, the victimization of pot smokers and the societal value of opium dens.   At one point I think I was staring at a tree outside my window thinking "Wow man, trees are like broccoli for giants, man.".