gsx95red Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I know how much some of you hate Florio, but he is reporting Bills are going to resign him at $6 million per year! I can't beleive Clements is not worth $8 million per year to Marv but Kelsay is worth $6M and didn't even start 2006 as the starter (Denney). This post brings truth to the other poster that had "inside informatino" and said a deal was coming, I give props out to that. http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I know how much some of you hate Florio, but he is reporting Bills are going to resign him at $6 million per year! I can't beleive Clements is not worth $8 million per year to Marv but Kelsay is worth $6M and didn't even start 2006 as the starter (Denney). This post brings truth to the other poster that had "inside informatino" and said a deal was coming, I give props out to that. http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm How do you know Clements is only worth 8 mil a year? that sounds low Also, you don't have the full details of this salary yet. Whats the bonus being awarded? Clements would have been looking at $15-25 mil bonus easily if he was only making 8 mil a season I am still not going to blame Marv for losing Clements until he is signed with another team, only because you don't know what he's gonna get, and what is being offered. Marv said he has been offering a very competitive offer, but Clements agent should be fired if he doesn't let Clements test the market first, before signing ANYTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Also this report is from Pro Football Weakly so though they are sometimes correct (though this often seems to occur our of coincidence when they are right) waiting for either some official pronouncement or a more reliable source on an issue like the contract amount is probably a good idea, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I like Kelsay and I was hoping we'd re-sign him but 6 per is an overpayment and I'd be really shocked if those are the actual numbers. he has gotten better every year, but he's not the same player that schobel is and shouldn't be paid like him. If they give him 6 per that's a bit of an insult to AS. I'm sure AS is above that sort of concern but still...I don't think his level of production warrants 6 per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Also, we'll have to see how the deal is structured, because we're not familiar with what cash-to-the-cap contracts look like. Obviously, if it's a three year deal that goes $6M, $6M, $6M, that's pretty straightforward. But it could be $6M, $6M, $1M, $1M, $1M, so that he gets a 'signing bonus' of $12 million over the first two years, and PFT's source reported that. Stay tuned. Also, it's worth noting that he plays a key position for our defense, and there aren't any comprable replacements with Smith and Allen off the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBoston Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Also, we'll have to see how the deal is structured, because we're not familiar with what cash-to-the-cap contracts look like. Obviously, if it's a three year deal that goes $6M, $6M, $6M, that's pretty straightforward. But it could be $6M, $6M, $1M, $1M, $1M, so that he gets a 'signing bonus' of $12 million over the first two years, and PFT's source reported that. Stay tuned. Also, it's worth noting that he plays a key position for our defense, and there aren't any comprable replacements with Smith and Allen off the market. Confirmed on buffalobills.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsx95red Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 How do you know Clements is only worth 8 mil a year? that sounds low Also, you don't have the full details of this salary yet. Whats the bonus being awarded? Clements would have been looking at $15-25 mil bonus easily if he was only making 8 mil a season I am still not going to blame Marv for losing Clements until he is signed with another team, only because you don't know what he's gonna get, and what is being offered. Marv said he has been offering a very competitive offer, but Clements agent should be fired if he doesn't let Clements test the market first, before signing ANYTHING I would be surprised if Clements gets more than Champ Bailey ($9 million per year) so $8 million seems reasonable. That is slightly more than McCallister and co. who signed a couple years back, and more than the going rate the last couple years for corners at $6-$7 million per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 One thing that needs to be taken into account: Florio and PFT and other places get their information second hand, and from people that like to leak things. The Bills have gone on record as they they will, and have a history of, building incentives into a contract. An agent for Kelsay would almost assuredly insert said incentives into his dollar figures for the contract. So even if this story is true, and the numbers listed are true, the actual money is probably far less than that, not to mention that the last couple years even in the cash to the cap philosophy, will be lopsided. It's probably a lot closer to 4 mil than 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 it better not be at 6 million per. What does that say to schobel, who is light years better than kelsay, but is only making a shade over 4 mil per. (5 yrs, 23 mil i believe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Wow! Lots of $$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPeaTear Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 i really hope its incentive-laced, especially if we dont retain nate. This is a DE/DT heavy draft coming up and i would rather keep nate than kelsay. but hey Marv's the GM and i'm not, so he must no more than i do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 ive made plenty of threads and posts in the past calling fo the re-signing of Kelsay. i like him. i think he has improved every year, and hasnt hit his peak yet. im not so sure about $6mil/year, but i think that number has been completely made up by the "bloggers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Confirmed on buffalobills.com Kelsay re-signs with the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Wow! Lots of $$$$ Peter King will be making fun of this signing calling Marv a old person.....sigh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Peter King will be making fun of this signing calling Marv a old person.....sigh..... Yep, right after her wrote this (already quoted on this board): "My upset special for a no-name guy who will get the richest: Buffalo defensive end Chris Kelsay." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ.../26/indy/1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 $6M per year makes absolutely no sense given the Schobel contract and Kelsay's performance to date. I will believe it when I read it on bb.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Also, we'll have to see how the deal is structured, because we're not familiar with what cash-to-the-cap contracts look like. Obviously, if it's a three year deal that goes $6M, $6M, $6M, that's pretty straightforward. But it could be $6M, $6M, $1M, $1M, $1M, so that he gets a 'signing bonus' of $12 million over the first two years, and PFT's source reported that. Stay tuned. Also, it's worth noting that he plays a key position for our defense, and there aren't any comprable replacements with Smith and Allen off the market. I don't understand - how would a contract structured like that not guarantee a holdout after two seasons? And what does this say about how the team views kelsay vs. Denney and Hargrove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 $6M per year makes absolutely no sense given the Schobel contract and Kelsay's performance to date. I will believe it when I read it on bb.com. But it DOES make sense. Kelsay can play, and he timed it right. There is nothing at all stopping Marv from renegotiating with Schobel, who deserves it. He took a lesser salary and extended his contract. We are sitting with a billion dollars in cap space. We are about to lose London and Nate. Good God, how about extensions for the few good players that are left, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I know how much some of you hate Florio, but he is reporting Bills are going to resign him at $6 million per year! I can't beleive Clements is not worth $8 million per year to Marv but Kelsay is worth $6M and didn't even start 2006 as the starter (Denney). This post brings truth to the other poster that had "inside informatino" and said a deal was coming, I give props out to that. http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm WASTE OF MONEY...... what a joke.....did anyone actually watch this team play last year??? I hope its just a silly rumor. Deals like that help little danny snyders and the like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 hey guys... NO NUMBERS HAVE BEEN RELEASED YET! but then again, you chumps are dying for any reason to fly of the handle and call every move made by the bills a bad one... so go nuts i guess, youre only embarrassing yourselves. Marv doesnt read the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 glad we got him re-signed (as opposed to resigned ) but $6M a year seems way too much. I doubt the number is that high. Maybe including bonuses (even then $6M per year is too high for Kelsay) I'm thinking a $6M signing bonus with escalating salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 This move is fine. I was hoping the Bills would draft a DE with passrush upside high in the draft, but certainly re-signing Kelsay doesn't constitute a bad move. We just need to add another difference maker along the d-line, whether it be McCargo developing into one or us drafting one this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Great job Marv! Now we have a 1-2 punch at DE again with Kelsay and Denney. AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 6 mill a year? Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 First off, of the three Free Agents, it seemed Kelsay was the one most willing to take less than market value to remain. It seemed toward the end of the year he didn't want to leave and had established himself in the Buffalo area. I'll believe the 6M per when someone reputable gets the numbers. Otherwise, I'll just be happy we retained him for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 But it DOES make sense. Kelsay can play, and he timed it right. There is nothing at all stopping Marv from renegotiating with Schobel, who deserves it. He took a lesser salary and extended his contract. We are sitting with a billion dollars in cap space. We are about to lose London and Nate. Good God, how about extensions for the few good players that are left, ya know? Oh, I'm glad they re-signed Kelsay -- whom I believe will continue to improve. I just find it improbable that he will be paid more than the All-Pro playing on the other side -- renegotiation possibilities aside. Is that what the market is really paying? Damn, I wish I was a couple of inches taller and 100 pounds heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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