The Moulds situation

[Fake-Fat Sunny]

No, we pretty much went into a shell with a 21-0 lead, not counting tiny little gadget plays like Roscoe's 2 yard pass. It wasn't completely stupid to get out of the "game plan" and run a little more. Clearly, the game plan was to isolate Evans and get the ball downfield deep. It produced the quickest 21 points passing in years. The first time ever a Bills player has scored three TDs in a quarter. It was by far the best game plan this season. Because it worked. It was only when they went away from that strategy with a 21-0 lead that they bogged down. And 21 points on the road should have won that game easily. While Evans may not YET be as good a player as Moulds was in his prime, Moulds is nowhere near the player Evans is right now. It's not even close. Evans gets open short and long, catches everything, scores more TDs than Moulds ever did in his career, rarely if ever drops a ball (I recall one since he got here), tries his ass off, blocks (though not as good as Moulds yet but he's getting there), and catches with his hands better than Moulds ever has.

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I aggree that it appeared to be the gameplan to isolate Evans and go deep to him as Miami has been routinely burned by Moulds in the past and dt'ed him. You are also right that this obvioulsly worked as 3 TD passes went to Evans in short order.

 

However, your key point and my thought as to why we lost was that we went into a shell when we were up 21-0. I think the conclusions you seem to draw after this are where my thinking departs from yours.

 

1. Even if Evans is a better player than Moulds right now (certainly a debatable point if only due to Moulds experience and Evans being a second year guy and how they are covered due to their reps) it does not mean at all that Moulds sucks completely.

 

2. The great failing of the Bills Sunday was that the passing game lacked balance overall. Aggod passng attack would have followed up the great use of Evans scoring his TDs with use of Moulds when the MI coverage shifted to help out on Evans.

 

Instead, the Bills shifted to the run game to take advantage of MI helping out in pass coverage, but really failed to effectively capitalize on the running attack )i was OK but not good enough). It might have worked better if they completed 2 or 3 passes to Moulds to force MI to cover both sides of the field for passes giving WM more room. However, they shifted to take Evans out of the game, stopprf WM well enough and we took Moulds out of the game.

 

It was going into the shell and our lack of balance (our starting TE was gone due to injury) that allowed MI to come back because we they were reeling we did not kill them.

[JDG]

This entire situation...to me at least...sounds like a Head Coach who just is no good at properly communicating his Game Plan to a Vet Player...The Vet Player then gets pissed off because he thinks he's being cast aside, and the HC gets pissed off because he feels the Vet is being disruptive...

 

Again, it may be just me, but this situation reaks of a guy who is simply not ready to be a HC, and does not know how to handle situations based on personality, ego, etc...And I know I'm definitely not an NFL HC, but I have been Managing people for over 20 Years, and I certainly understand how difficult it can be to try to keep 50 plus people happy in their Jobs...

 

Exactly. Managing personalities is a key component of the HC's job, and he's not getting it done. Moulds has been here for 10 years, and has hardly been a malcontent during that time. Even now, on the verge of getting suspended, he is giving a sensible "no comment" to the media.

 

And yet, Mike Mularkey is apparently wanting to give Moulds the same treatment that has previously been reserved for Keyshawn Johnson and Terrell Owens? It doesn't make sense...... and I think Mularkey has to shoulder his share of the blame.

 

JDG

[bills_fan]

And to further compliacte things...the AP picked up on it and reported that the final decision rests with Ralph.

 

Now Ralph is in a tough spot, do you back your neophyte moron coach or your star receiver. Either way he sends a message to either the vet players who may cvome to Buffalo as free agents or possible coaches around the league that is not good. Moulds didn't do anything like TO, so EM, a respected vet and team leader, could be suspended for ticky-tack BS. Or, Ralph won't back a coach who wants to suspend a disruptive player. Ralph is truly between a rock and a hard place here.

 

Thanks MM for not having a clue how to deal with players and putting Ralph in this situation. Thanks TD (you jackass) for giving us another coach without a friggin clue, and forcing Ralph to step in and resolve things.

[KOKBILLS]

I wholeheartedly agree with you my friend. mularkey has been handling this liek a woman. he is the whiny woman who cant take criticism. even in the press conferences he's so damn smug and high on himself when he hasnt accomplished didly squat. I hate how TD or MM try to find idiotic ways to praise our team even in the face of a horrible loss. TD was commending eric king and jabari greer and all these guys and players (basically feeding his ego so he could feel good about the minial draft class he had in 2004/2005) I say minial because he didnt address the issues with dier need like the lines on both sides.

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It is a bit laughable though you have to admit...Well TD...If the Scouting Department has done a good Job of filling Needs, if the Coaches are always well prepared and put together good Game Plans, if despite the way it looks the Bills are definitely making progress, and if we are always well prepared for an opponent, how exactly do you explain the fact that we are 4-8????

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand the Spin Game that GM's feel they need to Play...But you have to admit it is a little funny sometimes...

[splinter21]

Bring up his multiple children off the field with multiple women???,,,, if he was a women you would be calling him alot of other names that don't include the word selfless, team player ect ect...........What he does off the field speaks alot more of his inner manhood then anything he has done on the field.....He is a pig ,,,, period!!!! He's a real character alright , boy what a man he is!!

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thats his private life and its none of our business. who are you gloria alred? ellen degeneres?? he is not all so bad ok? to say he is a cancer is way out of line in fact comparing him to TO is way out of line. and as for your remarks for him hypothetically being a woman. i am quite sure there are players in the wnba that have multiple kids with different guys. if i was a fan of the wnba i wouldnt care cause as long as the team was winning id be happy and as long as they were a team player i would be happy.but i am not a fan of the wnba because it doesnt interest me. EM is a team player. he has proven that by taking paycut after paycut. the real guy you should be dogging out is mike williams a lazy sack of **** who is paid even more than moulds and does nothing for our team. TD should be dogged out for being a coniving weasley deceptive little **** who claims we are on the cusp of something that in reality is way out of our grasp. but no lets dog out our best player who gives us the best chance to win. not productive?? he leads the team in receptions morons. do the math. im sick and tired of people being so quick to judge and so quick to just turn on a player like that. I agree with you i dont aprove of his off field stuff with multiple women but to tell you the truth you're being ridiculous becuase even the married players mess around. heck if you feel so passionate about sexual escapades in sports, why dont you go to the vikings board and do some research and do your dissertation on sex and sports.

[Guest BackInDaDay]

and forcing Ralph to step in and resolve things.

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This is a big thing. This is why Ralph made TD the GM and Club President, so he could play tennis.

 

Just when he thought he was out... they puuuuuull him back in.

[Kelly the Dog]

Keep telling yourself this and don't pay attention to the D coordinators that still rotate coverage to Moulds.

 

The fact that you're trying to compliment Evans' blocking ability shows how irrational you are on this subject.  Evans is a HORRIBLE blocker.  The guy either doesn't try very hard or he gets called for holding, one or the other.

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Glad you pay attention. I just looked back on all the stats. The Bills have run 674 plays this year. Lee Evans has two holding calls. Eric Moulds has two.

[Mile High]

I don't think that EM will be suspended. I think that Ralph has alot of love and respect for the guy. He is a role model and used to be a great football player. I really do feel that when they meet today, (EM and Ralph) EM is going to lay it on the line about the management and the coaching..... And Ralph will listen due to his respect for Moulds. This imo is the end of the Donahoe era. Mark me words.

[thisiskeith12]

Like I have said, as long as TD goes, MM goes with him. Even if Modrak becomes the new GM.

 

I really like Polian's son to be a candidate for GM.

[plenzmd1]

And to further compliacte things...the AP picked up on it and reported that the final decision rests with Ralph. 

 

Now Ralph is in a tough spot, do you back your neophyte moron coach or your star receiver.  Either way he sends a message to either the vet players who may cvome to Buffalo as free agents or possible coaches around the league that is not good.  Moulds didn't do anything like TO, so EM, a respected vet and team leader, could be suspended for ticky-tack BS.  Or, Ralph won't back a coach who wants to suspend a disruptive player.  Ralph is truly between a rock and a hard place here.

 

Thanks MM for not having a clue how to deal with players and putting Ralph in this situation.  Thanks TD (you jackass) for giving us another coach without a friggin clue, and forcing Ralph to step in and resolve things.

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Made even worse as by all accounts from the so called "insiders" Ralph really likes MM, and I would assume really likes EM as well, after having been here for 10 yrs.Like someone said in an earlier thread, this will tell us which way the wind be blowing at OBD

[splinter21]

It is a bit laughable though you have to admit...Well TD...If the Scouting Department has done a good Job of filling Needs, if the Coaches are always well prepared and put together good Game Plans, if despite the way it looks the Bills are definitely making progress, and if we are always well prepared for an opponent, how exactly do you explain the fact that we are 4-8????

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand the Spin Game that GM's feel they need to Play...But you have to admit it is a little funny sometimes...

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yeah im glad you can find some humor in such dark times. very commendable. i too have become numb

[Kelly the Dog]

The only reason why Evans was open was because Moulds was double teamed.  Lets see how he does as the #1 taking the double teams.

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So why was the safety the closest man to Evans on at least one of the bombs and three guys were on Evans on his third TD. Yeah, right.

[splinter21]

Like I have said, as long as TD goes, MM goes with him. Even if Modrak becomes the new GM.

 

I really like Polian's son to be a candidate for GM.

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I think the chimpanzee from the buffalo zoo would do better than TD

[Kelly the Dog]

I missed that.  Where was that reported? Was it said in the context of planning an O line, or was it a muse from the Mouse?

 

He plays too tall for OG.  Doesn't drop his hips enough to get the kind of leverage necessary to drive a 6'1" 330lb interior D lineman.  Anyone who's ever coached the position can see that.  Now if McNally remarked that he thought Williams could be coached into that spot, and then was pressed into actually doing it, he found out in a hurry that he was wrong. 

 

Just cause these guys collect checks, doesn't make them the end-all, be-all.

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McNally said it a couple times I think. And then said that it was already into the season and the coaches didn't want to make the change just then and disrupt everything. Which is, of course, what they are doing now. But I have always thought that the move to OG was simply to get peters on the field because they like him and think of his as one of their future OTs more than a total demotion of MW. And if he wouldn't have been hurt, he wouldn't have been benched.

[dave mcbride]

So why was the safety the closest man to Evans on at least one of the bombs and three guys were on Evans on his third TD. Yeah, right.

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dog, until the kc game, evans was having a horrible season production-wise. he's still on pace for a sub-50 catch and sub-800 yard season. i do agree with you, however, that he's a real talent -- unbelievable speed plus really soft hands. he'll be a great one. he's not there yet, though, and notwithstanding the miami game, the double coverage has generally rolled towards moulds most of the season. he also has yet to show that he can park himself in the middle and assert his will against headhunting safeties, which is what moulds, TO, keyshawn johnson, hines ward, etc. do on a consistent basis.

[Rubes]

Damn, this is a painful thread to read. Really bringing out the emotions in everyone.

 

You know, I'm disappointed that EM was apparently not put into the game plan. I'm disappointed that he whined to the point of disruption. I'm disappointed that MM took steps that potentially alienated a senior veteran of the team. I'm disappointed in the players, I'm disappointed in the coaches, and I'm disappointed in the season. There really isn't anybody or anything I'm not disappointed with.

 

I will say this: It sounds to me like MM is trying to take the high road and to put together a team which, like the Pats, does not focus on individuals but rather the team. When individuals do things that are against the team concept (whether it be Adams or Moulds for, apparently, being upset with the scheme that they are asked to work within) I would expect the coach to have some nads to stand up to them. I don't know what actually happened or how things were really handled, but it's unfortunate that things turned out this way. I really don't know who is to blame for that.

 

However, I'm pretty sure that the frustration of this season contributed in large part to the way this eventually played out.

[Ray]

Have your best offensive player used as a decoy? Great game planning!

[JDG]

So why was the safety the closest man to Evans on at least one of the bombs and three guys were on Evans on his third TD. Yeah, right.

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I don't have the luxury of being able to review game film, but two very simple _possible_ explanations:

 

1) Most NFL teams line up two safeties in most formations. In this case, they could have called Double-Moulds, Cover-1, where one safety double-covers Moulds and the other safety plays in a deep zone.

 

2) They could have been playing a basic zone defense, such as a Cover-2 or a Cover-3, so the corner released Evans to the deep zone, which was the responsibility of one of the safeties - this is often what QB's look for in deciding whether to throw the bomb, or check down to an outlet receiver underneath. So, Losman sees the corner release Evans to the safety in the deep zone and heaves it deep. Meanwhile, Moulds could be double-covered if it was, say a Cover-2, man-Moulds, where one corner sticks with Moulds wherever he goes, while the rest of the defense plays a zone.

 

JDG

[splinter21]

I don't have the luxury of being able to review game film, but two very simple _possible_ explanations:

 

1) Most NFL teams line up two safeties in most formations.  In this case, they could have called Double-Moulds, Cover-1, where one safety double-covers Moulds and the other safety plays in a deep zone.

 

2) They could have been playing a basic zone defense, such as a Cover-2 or a Cover-3,  so the corner released Evans to the deep zone, which was the responsibility of one of the safeties - this is often what QB's look for in deciding whether to throw the bomb, or check down to an outlet receiver underneath.    So, Losman sees the corner release Evans to the safety in the deep zone and heaves it deep.  Meanwhile, Moulds could be double-covered if it was, say a Cover-2, man-Moulds, where one corner sticks with Moulds wherever he goes, while the rest of the defense plays a zone.

 

JDG

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very insightful post thanks

[Fan in San Diego]

TD, MM and and the whole crew should be benched and fired ! Not Moulds !

[rockpile]

who has the short memories? j.d. hill and rashad were long gone by the time piccone joined the bills in '77, and butler and lewis joined the squad a couple of years after later. o'j.'s last decent season with the bills was '76, which is a year before piccone arrived. and the point is that he was a marginal nfl player, not a difference maker, yet he holds a place in the heart of many bills fans. he couldn't break into the starting lineup, yet so many people have extremely fond memories of his playmaking skills. he averaged 13.5 receptions and 1 td per season and played on special teams. 'nuff said.

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OJ, Hill and Rashad - my bad. (teach me to try and do non-work stats at work!)

 

Butler 79-82, Chandler 71-79, and Lewis 79 were teammates, though.

 

I cannot really argue, Lou Piccone's a favorite of mine and I believe that stats do not tell all the story of a player's importance to a team.

 

[JDG]

I will say this: It sounds to me like MM is trying to take the high road and to put together a team which, like the Pats, does not focus on individuals but rather the team.

 

If Mularkey is taking the high ground, why is Mularkey talking to the media with comments like "He took himself out of the game", while it is *Moulds* who is making the tactful "no comment" to the media?

 

JDG

[BigAL]

So why was the safety the closest man to Evans on at least one of the bombs and three guys were on Evans on his third TD. Yeah, right.

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I deleted my Tivo recording yesterday, so I can't go back and check, but that certainly is not my recollection. i remember the announcers mentioning several times that Moulds was taking the double coverage.

[Rubes]

If Mularkey is taking the high ground, why is Mularkey talking to the media with comments like "He took himself out of the game", while it is *Moulds* who is making the tactful "no comment" to the media?

 

JDG

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I really don't see any big problem with that comment. Mostly, he has said it is a problem between the two of them. Someone asked him why Moulds wasn't in the game, and that's why. Doesn't exactly sound like pot-stirring to me.

[JDG]

very insightful post thanks

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Thanks for the compliment, though I should clarify that I watched this game on TV just like most of the rest of you.... and so I have no way of determining if Eric Moulds was actually double-covered on that play. Heck, I don't even know if Eric Moulds was on the field for that play!

 

The above is simply, based on Buff News reports that Moulds is still often double-covered by opposing defenses (how accurate that report is is anybody's guess - but I'm taking it at face value), and so I simply speculated how Moulds could have been double-covered on the touchdown play *while* seeing safety Travares Tillman fall down to give Evans the easy touchdown.

 

JDG

[Dawgg]

Let me also add that I was told that this is not a popular decision in the locker room at all.

 

Unlike the TO situation, where many players wanted him out, his EM's teammates want him on the field.

 

who I will not name.

 

1. Moulds was not in the game plan period.  This was established days before the game.

 

2. Moulds asked the coaches what the deal was.  Coach said this gave them best chance to win.

 

3. Moulds suggested that if he is merely a decoy, he should be benched.

 

4. Coach got angry and benched him.

 

5. Moulds has since been suspended.

 

Perhaps this is no new information, but wanted to pass this along.

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[East Brady]

thats his private life and its none of our business. who are you gloria alred? ellen degeneres?? he is not all so bad ok? to say he is a cancer is way out of line in fact comparing him to TO is way out of line. and as for your remarks for him hypothetically being a woman. i am quite sure there are players in the wnba that have multiple kids with different guys. if i was a fan of the wnba i wouldnt care cause as long as the team was winning id be happy and as long as they were a team player i would be happy.but i am not a fan of the wnba because it doesnt interest me. EM is a team player. he has proven that by taking paycut after paycut. the real guy you should be dogging out is mike williams a lazy sack of **** who is paid even more than moulds and does nothing for our team. TD should be dogged out for being a coniving weasley deceptive little **** who claims we are on the cusp of something that in reality is way out of our grasp. but no lets dog out our best player who gives us the best chance to win. not productive?? he leads the team in receptions morons. do the math. im sick and tired of people being so quick to judge and so quick to just turn on a player like that. I agree with you i dont aprove of his off field stuff with multiple women but to tell you the truth you're being ridiculous becuase even the married players mess around. heck if you feel so passionate about sexual escapades in sports, why dont you go to the vikings board and do some research and do your dissertation on sex and sports.

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How would they be playing basketball if they where busy having kids???

And as far as the TO comment I didn't say he was TO,,,,but the realty is TO did most of his damage behind closed doors in the locker room,, the same place that moulds has done his

damage ....as with TO we have only heard the tip of the iceberg....Moulds is the one who brought up the TO comparison not mularkey......there's a big difference between taking a paycut and restructuring a contract.....I could be wrong but paycut after paycut isn't something I would assciate with EM,,,,,If he so great why would his agent let him take a paycut????? I guess I just don't have an oversized poster of moulds hanging in the den!!!!

[Kelly the Dog]

I deleted my Tivo recording yesterday, so I can't go back and check, but that certainly is not my recollection.  i remember the announcers mentioning several times that Moulds was taking the double coverage.

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On the first one, Losman looked the deep safety off and then went right to Evans. On the second one, I believe that Travares Tillman was the closest guy to Evans and just missed getting there. On the third one, Losman gunned the ball into triple coverage. The point is, whether Moulds was double covered or not, the game plan worked because the team scored, so Moulds should not be complaining. If anything, plays like that will take guys away from Moulds in the future and allow him to get more single coverage.

[LabattBlue]

Nobody knows for sure what is going on inside the locker room except for those in the organization, but I'm wondering whether MM is reacting to a select group of vets who are attempting to undermine his authority aka "inmates running the asylum". The combination of another losing season can wear on vets who are nearing the end of their careers and maybe MM did not nip it in the bud. Now it has reached the boiling point and is spilling over.

 

 

MM certainly isn't helping himself by making it as media circus, but that is what happens with a HC who does not have the experience dealing with situations like this.

[Kelly the Dog]

dog, until the kc game, evans was having a horrible season production-wise. he's still on pace for a sub-50 catch and sub-800 yard season. i do agree with you, however, that he's a real talent -- unbelievable speed plus really soft hands.  he'll be a great one. he's not there yet, though, and notwithstanding the miami game, the double coverage has generally rolled towards moulds most of the season. he also has yet to show that he can park himself in the middle and assert his will against headhunting safeties, which is what moulds, TO, keyshawn johnson, hines ward, etc. do on a consistent basis.

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Oh, you mean until the KC game when we were playing a quarterback that could throw the ball more than 25 yards down the field and take advantage of fast guys?

[BigAL]

On the first one, Losman looked the deep safety off and then went right to Evans. On the second one, I believe that Travares Tillman was the closest guy to Evans and just missed getting there. On the third one, Losman gunned the ball into triple coverage. The point is, whether Moulds was double covered or not, the game plan worked because the team scored, so Moulds should not be complaining. If anything, plays like that will take guys away from Moulds in the future and allow him to get more single coverage.

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I have heard Moulds say that he wasn't complaining about the initial game plan. I've heard him say that after the first qtr that we did not adjust to a game plan that would pound the ball and take time off the clock. If that's the case then he was obviously right, and I think Mularkey is being defensive for looking like the idiot that he was during the game.

[Guest BackInDaDay]

McNally said it a couple times I think. And then said that it was already into the season and the coaches didn't want to make the change just then and disrupt everything. Which is, of course, what they are doing now. But I have always thought that the move to OG was simply to get peters on the field because they like him and think of his as one of their future OTs more than a total demotion of MW. And if he wouldn't have been hurt, he wouldn't have been benched.

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He was hurt when they moved him inside. It was one of the reasons given for moving him inside.

 

Look, years ago we had a 'meet the pros' day down at our Pop Warner complex. The young kids get to be coached by some ex-NFLers.

 

One of the retired players who participated had been an O linemean for the Redskins. I didn't recognize his (or any of the other's, either) name, but the guy was huge. Tall and heavy. He was teaching kid's a proper football stance, which to him was bending at his big waist - like touching toes. A few of the young kids got into proper stances and he 'corrected' them.

 

This is what worked for him, but it wasn't right. Makes you wonder what kind of coaching this guy got, and how much better he may have been with good fundamentals.

 

My point is, don't over-estimate the coaching in the NFL. It's a copy-cat league for a reason, and the media hypes these guys as geniuses. It ain't rocket surgery.

 

As far as the Williams experiment goes, that was as much a reflection of the dissapointment in Bennie's play as an endorsement of Jason's talent. Still, big Mike was setup to fail.

[PastaJoe]

Looking to next year, I wonder what the impact of seeing how veterans like Moulds and Adams are being treated will have on the ability to convince free agent veterans to come to Buffalo under the current regime. I'm talking about quality veteran starters, not guys like Bennie Anderson.

[KOKBILLS]

MM certainly isn't helping himself by making it as media circus, but that is what happens with a HC who does not have the experience dealing with situations like this.

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I think you just decribed this whole situation in a nutshell...

 

Welcome to One Bills Drive...Official NFL Training Headquarters for inexperienced Head Coaches...

[splinter21]

How would they be playing basketball if they where busy having kids???

And as far as the TO comment I didn't say he was TO,,,,but the realty is TO did most of his damage behind closed doors in the locker room,, the same place that moulds has done his

damage ....as with TO we have only heard the tip of the iceberg....Moulds is the one who brought up the TO comparison not mularkey......there's a big difference between taking a paycut and restructuring a contract.....I could be wrong but paycut after paycut isn't something I would assciate with EM,,,,,If he so great why would his agent let him take a paycut????? I guess I just don't have an oversized poster of moulds hanging in the den!!!!

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very insightful question i guess i didnt think that through:). but what i mean is i bet there are a lot of women basketball players that mess around as well. but being a fan i am aware that this is commonplace in professional sports. so you cant just make his little adventures your reason for wanting him to be let go. because frankly the majority of players in the nfl do the same thing as him. and i dont have a poster of him in my den. i just dont jump the gun and react like a powder keg. mularkey was wrong in the way he handled this situation. he claimed to have handled the situation internally but clearly broughgt media attention to it. personally i think his career is in more jeopardy than moulds. plus what took you so long to respond lol.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Damn, this is a painful thread to read. Really bringing out the emotions in everyone.

 

You know, I'm disappointed that EM was apparently not put into the game plan. I'm disappointed that he whined to the point of disruption. I'm disappointed that MM took steps that potentially alienated a senior veteran of the team. I'm disappointed in the players, I'm disappointed in the coaches, and I'm disappointed in the season. There really isn't anybody or anything I'm not disappointed with.

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I'll say that all told, I'm not disappointed in the least in Losman. Things can get a lot better fast with him if they give this kid a game plan and protection. Too bad that is probably going to require a new regime.

[Kelly the Dog]

I have heard Moulds say that he wasn't complaining about the initial game plan.  I've heard him say that after the first qtr that we did not adjust to a game plan that would pound the ball and take time off the clock.  If that's the case then he was obviously right, and I think Mularkey is being defensive for looking like the idiot that he was during the game.

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I am one who doesn't trust anyone's version of these events because we never get the real story. I find it VERY difficult to believe that Moulds' main beef was that we weren't running more with a 21-0 lead, especially because we were running a lot more, and he wouldnt be getting the ball then either. I also find it impossible to believe that a coach would have a beef with a former star player for no reason, or that he would exclude him from the game plan for no good reason aftrer Eric had his best game the week before, or who listened to Moulds complain earlier in the year and took Moulds' advice by benching Losman and going with Holcomb.

[Johnny Coli]

Let me also add that I was told that this is not a popular decision in the locker room at all.

 

Unlike the TO situation, where many players wanted him out, his EM's teammates want him on the field.

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Nice of your "source" to go out on a limb, and possibly expose himself. You should tell him to be more carefull. You don't want to lose his lockerroom insight.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

i have very mixed emotions in this case. moulds WAS a very good player and a definite mainstay of this team, but to me was way overhyped in terms of his production. I always will remember games like the playoff game in miami where he lit them up but fumbled on a drive that was headed to the endzone. However, EM staying with a team like buffalo thru the DF, RJ, TC, DB, AVP, BJH eras says something about his loyalty. MM (who i think is the worst HC in football) has been here just over a season and done nothing for this team, and same goes for TD only TD has done less than nothing for a longer period of time. Someone who over the past few years i have not been terribly fond of (EM) needs to be shown some goddamn respect by the organization (who i think is fast becoming a laughing stock around the league) because, even though he was never great he was damn good and could have left just to win a ring, but he didn't because he wanted to win in Buffalo, and now he's being treated a rookie UDFA who is going to be cut. Just imagine how bad our offense would have been in the flutie years with out EM being the playmaker he was.

 

It broke my heart to watch thurmal and andre get treated the way they did towards the end of their careers and though eric is not on the same level as those guys in terms of talent and winning he's still Mr. Bill for this current generation of players...I think it was WM on draft day that said the only name on the bills that he knew was Eric Moulds. WM may not know a whole lot about anything but he knew that. So while i was writing this i realized that EM may indeed need to be cut this offseason, for many reasons ie lack of production, age, etc, but he should NEVER be ousted by an absolute joke of a head coach who is the puppet for an even bigger joke of a GM because he is a "distraction" the man has been through 7 Qbs and 4 hc's and gave his heart and soul to the team, and now a piece of sh-- GM and HC are going to make him out to be the bad guy???? F**k off TD leave EM alone and get ready to blow another top 5 draft pick.

[Bill from NYC]

I also find it impossible to believe that a coach would have a beef with a former star player for no reason, or that he would exclude him from the game plan for no good reason aftrer Eric had his best game the week before, or who listened to Moulds complain earlier in the year and took Moulds' advice by benching Losman and going with Holcomb.

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Thank you for making perfect sense. What would be the gain for MM?

MM has not been doing a good job as of late, but to pin the entire mess on his shoulders is simply dumb.