I don’t know where i stand with Joe Brady

[Mr. Wonderful]

The WR's he has to work with are trash.  Still those one yard passes to Shakir and and Johnson for minimal gains are stupid and surely going to lead to a pick six at some point.

[Artful Dodger]

Allen makes him look a lot better than he is.  The only time that the Bills are consistently effective at moving the ball is when the Bills fall way behind, which at this point is nearly every game, and Allen develops a sense of urgency and decides that if the Bills are to win, he has to take over the game.  The Bills get a lot of yards and points off of Allen's ability to improvise.  

[Big Blitz]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

The WR's he has to work with are trash.  Still those one yard passes to Shakir and and Johnson for minimal gains are stupid and surely going to lead to a pick six at some point.

 

Im seeing them all over the league.  
 

I don’t think they’re as bad as we make them out to be.  

[Rat-boy]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

How much NFL do you watch

 

It seems most posters on this board don’t watch a down.

[Bruffalo]

I don't see anything to make me think he would be very successful if he didn't have a talent like Allen running the offense. 

 

He's okay, but his game planning is so vanilla and I rarely see the Bills change it up much until we are down big and we've decided it's time for Allen to go hulk mode on them.

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

How much NFL do you watch

We all know it’s hard to watch your own team do that, let alone other teams…, 

[WickedGame]

I don’t like his play calling, but that doesn’t mean it’s not working.
 

True, there are individual plays that don’t work — and often look incompetent — but then you get to the end of the game and look at the scoreboard and we’ve put up another 30-point game. 
 

And yes, there are patterns that are frustrating, too: The screens that leave you holding your breath; the over-reliance on mesh concepts; the inability to scheme open receivers. But again…infuriating as it may be in the moment, the scoreboard speaks louder than the stat sheet.
 

And perhaps most importantly, while I have lots of anxiety about our offense, I also have more faith in the offense to overcome its weaknesses than I do the defense. That’s more bc of 17 than Brady, but regardless I never feel hopeless when we’re within a score and Josh has the ball. 
 

Now the defense on the other hand…I’m not so sure. Improving, for sure. But would I trust them against McVay and Stafford in the Super Bowl? Nope. 

[Tanoros]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I mean they’re the top rushing team in the league and in the top 15 passing offense.  He’s doing that with the worst receiver room in the league.  So that’s all super impressive.  But at the same time- they are a bit too unimaginative in terms of self-scouting and changing their tendencies.  That third down screen to Johnson broke me.  

That third down screen would have worked if Palmer held his block. Palmer got beat, I bet Gabe holds the block in that spot. If Johnson gets the first, no one questions the play call. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I'll add that when you have to live the way the Bills do.......needing to run to set up the pass......it doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

 

That's where the nitpicking by fans originates.  

 

They need to fully lean in to being more committed to running the ball early in games.   

 

At some point I hope that realization sets in.

 

When things go bad, trying to get WR's involved early is often an issue.  

 

When your WR room is trash it's hard to string together the combination of pass-pro, route running, accuracy/placement AND catching the ball against a fresh defense.

 

They run the ball so well(including having the greatest run game force multiplier ever in Allen) that they don't need to play the game like most teams do.   

 

Yep I have been saying it all season, since the "sign or not sign" Cook debates. This offense isn't the offense I would have built had I been the General Manager trying to maximise Josh Allen.... but with the offense that they have chosen to build they have to execute / call it this way. And with so few explosive pass plays imagine what they would look like without a back who can pop explosive runs?

 

Beane simply has to find a way to upgrade the top end of the receiver room in the spring. 

[mikemac2001]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I mean they’re the top rushing team in the league and in the top 15 passing offense.  He’s doing that with the worst receiver room in the league.  So that’s all super impressive.  But at the same time- they are a bit too unimaginative in terms of self-scouting and changing their tendencies.  That third down screen to Johnson broke me.  

That screen was so dumb don’t take the ball out of Josh’s hand during key moments 

 

[Sojourner]

[BillMafia716ix]

He’s a young coordinator still learning on the job. He has flaws for sure but I want to see what he does when he actually has WR’s that can get open down field. We have the worst WR core in the league 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Artful Dodger said:

Allen makes him look a lot better than he is.  The only time that the Bills are consistently effective at moving the ball is when the Bills fall way behind, which at this point is nearly every game, and Allen develops a sense of urgency and decides that if the Bills are to win, he has to take over the game.  The Bills get a lot of yards and points off of Allen's ability to improvise.  

The Bills need to forget about the WRs and give the ball to the RBs and the TE from the start of the game...If they can move the chains and give us the early lead, we win these games comfortably.   

[iccrewman112]

8 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I mean they’re the top rushing team in the league and in the top 15 passing offense.  He’s doing that with the worst receiver room in the league.  

I will say there are plenty of other comparable WR rooms, Raiders, Titans, Panthers, New England, Browns, Giants, Cardinals.

 

most of those teams stink, but they also don’t have solid QB play.

 

all that being said, I am disappointed in the creativity on offense on most plays, but am impressed by the teams ability to identify what it does well and then execute it better than their opponent can stop it.

 

In a simulator I’m curious what an Andy Reid or Ben Johnson would do with this offense and how it would be different.

Edited 3 hours ago by iccrewman112

[ganesh]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He is doing a lot with a little but also somehow still not quite enough?

Is it forcing the scheme on the player or adapting the scheme to the players strength. It appears the former and hence not seeing the results.  

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

I will say there are plenty of other comparable WR rooms, Raiders, Titans, Panthers, New England, Browns, Giants, Cardinals.

 

most of those teams stink, but they also don’t have solid QB play.

 

all that being said, I am disappointed in the creativity on offense on most plays, but am impressed by the teams ability to identify what it does well and then execute it better than their opponent can stop it.

 

In a simulator I’m curious what an Andy Reid or Ben Johnson would do with this offense and how it would be different.

 

I think since trading Myers the Raiders are probably the worst. And Tennessee once Ridley went down are right there with them. Cleveland is hard to categorise. I think they suck aside from Jeudy and his production is down this year, but they have started three or four different Quarterbacks (none of them good). So maybe that is currently the bottom three. I think the rest of those teams have either a better version of the solid but unspectacular group we have (Pats) or one young player who very clearly would be the number 1 on all those teams (Harrison, Nabers, McMillan). 

 

So maybe right now I'd put the Bills WR group 29th. Maybe.

 

I asked co-pilot to rank NFL teams based by WR production in 2025 and (I haven't verified) but it has us 28th with 1,593 yards. 

[KHAN]

He's better than the massive harsh criticism that he gets.

 

Several games this year when things went poorly in the first half, he had absolutely no answers when all we needed was 1 or 2 scoring drives in the second half. In several games similar to this, we score 5 straight touchdowns after struggling mightily.

 

The WR room sucks, and that's on Beane. But even with that KC.Baltimore  and Cincy have been picking late for several years now, and look where they are with great QB's. We're 10-4. 

 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

I will say there are plenty of other comparable WR rooms, Raiders, Titans, Panthers, New England, Browns, Giants, Cardinals

Raiders had Meyers until they traded him. He would be WR1 here.

 

Panthers had Ridley until he went down with injury. He would be WR1 here.

 

New England has Diggs. He would be WR1 here.

 

Browns have Jeudy. He would be WR1 here.

 

Giants had Nabers. He would be WR1 here.

 

Cardinals have Marvin Harrison. He would be WR1 here.

“Comparable” doesn’t tell the whole story.