Cosell's Comments on the Bills

[KCNC]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

Pretty much how much of this board sees it...

[Jimmy Harris 69]

Cosell’s comments underscore the need better scouts, for smarter decision makers at OBD, or both. 

[QLBillsFan]

CC loves this .. it allows him to feed into his narratives and generic thoughts. What are the Bills a weak roster with Superman! Cosell will lean a bit to the audience as he likes to please even when he’s on GR. Certainly some  truth to his comments but a bit too simple. Benford ( now apparently injured) Bosa are high end guys Cook Kincaid and OL. We shall see but in no way is this too surprising. 

[MikePJ76]

He says this exact thing every Friday afternoon on one bills drive.  
 

what’s the big deal?

[corta765]

He is pretty spot on and he is one of the better analysts. I would say the Bills talent wise are in the top half of the league, but if you said top 10 not sure I would agree with you. The best talent besides Josh is Cook & the Offensive line. Shakir is a great WR3 as a slot and when he has more help he is very dynamic. Maybe next year with better outside help you will finally see the potential of a 1000 yard + type guy which he has. TE wise Kincaid is pretty skilled and Knox & Hawes do some very good things. In a vacuum without looking at the Bills WR corp the offense is superb ... with the WR corp you see the holes and it is pretty good to great at times because of Josh & the line.

 

The defense is a whole other animal. Oliver & Benford are probably the only two "elite" players they have and I use that word very loosely here. The DT youth in Walker & Sanders could become prominent down the road and Bishop & Hariston look like possibly good starting players in future years. But after that it is a whole lot of JAG's and guys who McBeane believe their overall contributions of being 1/11th supersedes the talent side. It is telling that the best Bills LB this year has been Shaq Thompson by a mile and he was a street FA. Joey Bosa has been the best DE and has been very solid but again he was a FA lottery gamble where if healthy for the money paid he could be solid & thankfully has been. Groot has been fine I guess but again for what he is paid you can do better. When half the defense could be replaced in the offseason that is not the most glowing endorsement of the talent there. Injuries have absolutely limited the ceiling of the defense this year, but fact remains they are more opportunistic at best then they are a good talented unit. So Cosell is unfortunately very accurate there.

 

With all that said and the state of the AFC they absolutely can make a run and with how the offense has been this last month as long as they still relatively mistake free (within reason) they can win a lot of games 28-20 or 30-23 where the defense does enough and the offense drives the train as it has. I wish the defense could do more given where the investment has went draft/fa wise but it is what it is. If the Bills fall short in the postseason mark my words you will be more angry at Beane not getting a good WR in then the defense underperforming at this point.

Edited 1 hour ago by corta765

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

 

Cosell comes on One Bills Live with Chris Brown and Steve Tasker every week.  This doesn't sound different from what he's been saying all year.

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

In two games vs them Allen is 33 for 64, been sacked 9 times, has 19 bad throws, more INT's than TD's. It's the best defense in the NFL. They clearly give our offensive line problems. They shut down the screen game as well as anybody in football. They're good enough on offense to get to 20 vs us. Can we? It's a 50/50 game, but they're likely the most difficult playoff match up we would face at this point. 

 

They remind me of those early 2000's Ravens defenses when they shut down teams like NE and Indy. 

 

The key was to get up on them early. They usually had Manning's number often but then he put up 7 TDs against them. It's not easy, but get up by 14 and it's a wrap. 

[BobD]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

I just heard the same thing. A couple of thoughts, 1.) Colin is never a Bill's Fan, he is basically a west coast guy and always leaves out Bills when he talks about best teams. He has just recently jumped on the Josh Allen wagon in the last 2 years. 2.) I agree with you on Cossell. He knows his stuff and I like him a lot. I do believe he is correct about the Bills not having any special players on both offense and defense, but I might argue that James Cook is a special player. 3.) I would agree that the Bills have missed the boat on giving Josh some special receivers to throw to, that has been painstakingly obvious this year. But it is not like they haven't tried. Coleman is not working out and you can argue that they could have had James Worthy, but he is not a true # 1 either. They will have to make a trade this offseason to get someone in here as well as draft some receivers. 4.) Colin made the comment that the Bills front office has failed at drafting good WR and he said each year "there are 20 receivers that come into the NFL and make an impact." That is pure BS, no way there are 20 WR that come into the NFL in their first year and make an impact. It is clearly like 3-5 that actually come in and hit the ground running. Buffalo drafts too low to get lucky there, that's why I expect a trade this offseason. 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

They remind me of those early 2000's Ravens defenses when they shut down teams like NE and Indy. 

 

The key was to get up on them early. They usually had Manning's number often but then he put up 7 TDs against them. It's not easy, but get up by 14 and it's a wrap. 

I don't disagree, but easier said than done. It will be a really good game if it happens. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

The statements are true but I think the context is lacking personally.  Offense seems down league-wide and I think the bills are in as good or better of a position than they’ve ever been compared to their playoff counterparts 

seems like parity really beat up all the top teams and the bills have done a pretty good job maintaining compared to the others. 
 

 

Edited 43 minutes ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[dorquemada]

Reminds me a little bit of when David Lee Roth had released his first solo album and some interviewer said “what do you say to critics that prefer Elvis Costello’s new album to yours” to which The Man replied “They like Elvis Costello because they look like Elvis Costello” which I thought was a very solid ice burn on the entire notion of critics

[Mister Defense]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

 

 

Cosell is one of the most respected football gurus around, lives football. Truly passionate about it.  I also value his opinion, think he should be brought on board to help Beane and McD choose the exact kind of players they need now in the draft and fee agency.  I think he would love to do that, really use his immense knowledge and skills to help guide an NFL team.

 

But he is not always right. He had said James Cook was not an starting caliber, every down workhorse back several times on One Bills Live, after the draft and after he had played for a year or so.  Because I respect his opinion so much, I bought in wholeheartedly.   I think Cook is second in the league in carries this year and a true workhorse back who runs with both speed and great power. 

 

I hope Cosell is just as wrong this time. I think he is.

 

 

[TH3]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

Meh…

A little tired of the rely on JA too much talk….what top team doesn’t rely almost entirely on it’s qb…Bills just happen to have the most dynamic one in the game…What do they mean anyway? He passes the ball and occasionally runs…and not for nothing but most qb’s could have done that 40 yarder…don’t think what he does is “not sustainable”

No mention of best running game in league and fwiw….Bills wr group has rarely had its top guys all healthy and we are missing the two best d line men…hopefully Oliver gets back….

[bills_fan]

He's not wrong on the WRs, we all know this.  Our WR room hasnt had a true 1 since Diggs.  But those guys do not exactly grow on trees.  Were Samuel and Palmer waste of money so far...yes.  Coleman seems like a waste of a pick.  And the FO has to answer for that.  But they also get credit for the TE room, RB room and OL.

 

As to defense, the secondary is coming together.  The LB w Thompson have been a strength.  And we have literally had only a handful of games with Oliver and Bosa in the lineup together.  We do not have a true game wrecker on D, and likely wont given where we draft.  Packers had to send a whole lot of draft capital for Parsons.  

 

Look...we know Beane knows we need to upgrade the D and WR room.  Thats why he was calling about Waddle, Quinnen and others at the deadline.  But we need a dance partner.  We gotta work with what we can get this season and try to improve the WR room in round 1 next year.  And WR do take some time to develop, even the very very good ones.  

[Marcus Aurelius]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

We have a top 2 QB / RB / TE room and OL though 

"Nothing to sneeze at" as your grand pappy used to say ...

[Dukestreetking]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

damn , Greggy (inside joke) is cheating on me? 

Ok, we're (or maybe just me) dying to know the inside joke.

 

I mean, if you and @Fr. Jerkand GC have something going on, it's ok boys, it's 20-freaking-25; all good.

 

(and, for no reason whatsoever, I somehow feel @HOUSE is in on the joke).

 

Jesus, I gotta spend much less attention to this board. 

 

///all sarc

[RichRiderBills]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

 

 

Cosell has sung this tune before he is secretly a Bill's hater even though he comes on one Bill's live all the time . I thought a lot of his analysis last year was marginal.

 

A few years ago, I really got tired of his takes. I don't really even listen to his sections anymore. And it's not just because he's saying things I don't want to hear. It just drips with marginal insights. 

 

Take for example this Josh's still Superman garbage. We've got the second best running back in the NFL. We run the ball a ton and have a ton of support in the run game. 

 

I think when you look at the Bills team. You can't overlook that there is a lot of talent on the offensive line. It's a top five unit even though we really crapped out a couple games this year. Next, do you have an elite level running back. You have an elite level quarterback and I think honestly you have a solid wide receiver slot in Shakir. And another solid tight end when healthy in Kincaid. That's about as good as most of the quality offenses in the league even though we are lacking the elite big sized wide receiver. I get it. We don't have a true number, one wide receiver. That's not the same as saying the team doesn't have talent and Cosell has never been able to get over that. 

 

 

[Fr. Jerk]

3 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said:

I mean, if you and @Fr. Jerkand GC have something going on, it's ok boys, it's 20-freaking-25; all good.

 

 

Dont ask, dont tell, ya dig?

[Fr. Jerk]

5 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I get it. We don't have a true number, one wide receiver. 

 

Is Keon a no 2?