11/20/2025 Bills @ Texans post game thread

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Its insane. It’s driving 30 miles an hour in a Bugatti. I don’t get it. 

You can't drive a Bugatti when you don't have an engine 

 

Our offense was puttering with stef diggs... So they went ball control 

 

Like if Josh threw 60 times today he would have left on a stretcher I don't know how anybody thinks they should open this up to a Bugatti 

 

Josh will literally be flatlined.. has to be in offense that can run the ball and work off that this season 

 

There's no just going out and throwing it 45 times

 

The offensive system and the players on offense and defense are more of the issue... McDermott is trotting out no names at defense every week and over the hill slow veterans 

 

It's not his fault beane paid $80 million dollars to a defensive end who can't get a sack.. 45 million to a middle linebacker who is the size of a safety 15 years ago

 

The cap and how it's managed is 100% the reason the Buffalo Bills are not on top

Edited 41 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[billsfan714]

2 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

So when we see what a good defense does to a good offense we think…our offense needs to be better. We can’t imagine how good our current offense would be with a defense like Houston’s, we can only imagine our offense being better. 

Amen to all of that.  There isn't one all-pro on that defense.  I dont think there's anybody on D who is even 2nd team AFC.   Nobody near that even.  The SB years had Bruce, Biscuit, etc.   This D has got a bunch of meh guys.  Its not in the ball park of a  superbowl contending  team.   Everybody loves to talk offense, but this defense is sub mid.  Just no studs at all on that side of the ball.  No difference makers.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, iwishitwerecolder said:

Just sucks. Allen’s time is running out. You can see it can you? Dude used to consistently break the sacks he couldn’t tonight. He won’t have the same MVP juice we are used to in a few years. Cam Newton 2.0, without the Super Bowl appearance of course.

 

And that’s why they need to change course. Josh will be fine and has the potential for a really good second half of his career. But he’s in a transition period and he’s becoming a different player. What worked before ain’t working anymore. The team needs a reset and it starts at the top. The “we can all

be mediocre cuz Josh will bail us out” concept is no more. McDermott is the definition of mediocre. And that’s fine. He will land on his feet and build the Giants into a playoff contender who can’t win the big game and waste Dart’s career. But we have to move on. 

[Brand J]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Wrong 

 

We're supposed be 'complementary'

 

Your perception is due to Allen's greatness and McDermott's awfulness

If complementary means that both sides are league average then you’re correct. Every team has one side of the ball stronger than the other. When you have a generational MVP at QB it’s not difficult to figure out which side of the ball is supposed to carry the Bills. All this whining about the defense and a bad first half when the offense put up 12 whole points, was sacked 8 times, and had 3 turnovers. But it’s not on the offense no matter how well the defense played in the second half. The offense’s performance all game was due to the pressure they were under thanks to a bad defensive first half. I understand.

[CincyBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

So when we see what a good defense does to a good offense we think…our offense needs to be better. We can’t imagine how good our current offense would be with a defense like Houston’s, we can only imagine our offense being better. 

Yup, true complimentary football has the O winning some shoot outs when the D struggles and the D dominating a game when the O struggles.  Twice this season Allen and the O have exploded to win shootout games against good teams.  Not once has the D won a game by dominating an opponent from start to finish. 

[SCBills]

Do we … not want it?

 

What is the point in saying this if that’s not what he’s implying?

 

 

[Shortchaz]

14 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Houston’s team is carried by their defense. Buffalo’s team is (supposed to be) carried by their offense and generational QB. Different expectations for each team. But hey! Today I learned that if the defense has a bad half of football, the offense isn’t to blame for lack of scoring throughout the game because the defense just put too much pressure on them - no matter how well they play the second half. 

Their elite defense gave up 12 points to our elite quarterback. Our pipsqueak defense gave up 23 to a backup quarterback. 
 

The elite defense seems preferable in the nfl. 

Edited 34 minutes ago by Shortchaz

[MrEpsYtown]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can't drive a Bugatti when you don't have an engine 

 

Our offense was puttering with stef diggs... So they went ball control 

 

Like if Josh threw 60 times today he would have left on a stretcher I don't know how anybody thinks they should open this up to a Bugatti 

 

Josh will literally be flatlined.. has to be in offense that can run the ball and work off that this season 

 

There's no just going out and throwing it 45 times

 

The offensive system and the players on offense and defense are more of the issue... McDermott is trotting out no names at defense every week and over the hill slow veterans 

 

It's not his fault beane paid $80 million dollars to a defensive end who can't get a sack.. 45 million to a middle linebacker who is the size of a safety 15 years ago

Yeah you defintely make good points. The fact that they never tried to build this into an offensive machine is a great tragedy of wasted opportunity. When you have Josh, you should not be ball control. It’s just a failure of epic proportions and I place it at the feet of McDermott and Beane. I don’t understand blaming Josh or Brady. This is what this brain trust built and this is what they wanted, and it’s dumb. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

Yeah you defintely make good points. The fact that they never tried to build this into an offensive machine is a great tragedy of wasted opportunity. When you have Josh, you should not be ball control. It’s just a failure of epic proportions and I place it at the feet of McDermott and Beane. I don’t understand blaming Josh or Brady. This is what this brain trust built and this is what they wanted, and it’s dumb. 

 

It's why need daboll. He understood Josh 

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Do we … not want it?

 

What is the point in saying this if that’s not what he’s implying?

 

 

Team unprepared, sloppy and uninspired falls at the feet of the HC. Bottom line. 

[Brand J]

Just now, Shortchaz said:

Their elite defense gave up 12 points to our elite quarterback. Our pipsqueak defense gave up 23 to a backup quarterback. 

Thanks to 8 sacks, the inability to control the ball, and 3 turnovers. I’m not excusing the first half defense, just providing perspective. While our defense couldn’t stop their offense in the first half, our offense wasn’t good enough to put up points against their defense the entire game.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Brand J said:

If complementary means that both sides are league average then you’re correct. Every team has one side of the ball stronger than the other. When you have a generational MVP at QB it’s not difficult to figure out which side of the ball is supposed to carry the Bills. All this whining about the defense and a bad first half when the offense put up 12 whole points, was sacked 8 times, and had 3 turnovers. But it’s not on the offense no matter how well the defense played in the second half. The offense’s performance all game was due to the pressure they were under thanks to a bad defensive first half. I understand.

The offense has Allen and Cook. That's really about it

 

Meanwhile the defense has the full attention of the HC plus all the draft and FA resources...and you guys just whine about what the QB couldn't do when we lose, I mean ffs we literally drafted 5 straight defensive picks...zero first round wideouts ever...seriously, what were you expecting to happen against a defense like this?

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Brand J said:

If complementary means that both sides are league average then you’re correct. Every team has one side of the ball stronger than the other. When you have a generational MVP at QB it’s not difficult to figure out which side of the ball is supposed to carry the Bills. All this whining about the defense and a bad first half when the offense put up 12 whole points, was sacked 8 times, and had 3 turnovers. But it’s not on the offense no matter how well the defense played in the second half. The offense’s performance all game was due to the pressure they were under thanks to a bad defensive first half. I understand.

I would agree with you IF the Bills brain trust structured their offense & coaching to best utilize their generational MVP QB.  But they haven't.  Instead they have built an offensive roster & strategy that diminishes the role of their MVP QB.  It's insane and football malpractice.  I can't think of any other Super Bowl contending team that would choose to go in this direction with Allen at QB.  

 

 

[Einstein]

 

[Brand J]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

The offense has Allen and Cook. That's really about it

 

Meanwhile the defense has the full attention of the HC plus all the draft and FA resources...and you guys just whine about what the QB couldn't do when we lose, I mean ffs we literally drafted 5 straight defensive picks...zero first round wideouts ever...seriously, what were you expecting to happen against a defense like this?

You won’t get any arguments from me that Beane has failed to find difference makers. I was screaming for Troy Franklin when we took the JAG Dewayne Carter. He’s also missed too many times on free agency and a few guys have bad contracts we need to shed. 

[billsfan714]

Bosa, AJE and Rousseau combined for zero sacks.   Anderson and Hunter had 4.5 sacks.  Difference between flashes and production.

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Team unprepared, sloppy and uninspired falls at the feet of the HC. Bottom line. 

I mean at the end of the day Tom Brady would chew out players and so would Peyton Manning 

 

You follow your leader which is your quarterback 

 

I'm not blaming Josh... We've all seen this team doesn't rise every week compared to what it's sometimes does against a big time opponent 

 

Sean McDermott has been the same guy for 9 years.. he is consistent 

 

Josh gives us way more ebbs and flows.. I understand the grind of a 17 game regular season with postseason and even Tom Brady didn't wake up 17 times 

 

If Josh is saying they wanted it more he also means it includes him.. not that he's the problem 

 

When Josh has the troops riled up... You usually see a different team 

 

This was a short week on the road a great defense.. maybe the bills don't care if they have to play the Patriots in the postseason because they think they're going to wake up for that and they're not worried enough one game take all

 

I'm just spitballing... Because we have to hope

Edited 25 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:

Bosa, AJE and Rousseau combined for zero sacks.   Anderson and Hunter had 4.5 sacks.  Difference between flashes and production.

I didn't see a whole lot of pressures either.  As I think you pointed out earlier, there isn't one difference maker on this defense.  In fact the only guy who might be getting their is Bishop.

 

And after Allen & Cook there isn't a difference maker among the skill players on offense.  And while I think Kincaid could be a difference maker he's missed to many games and when he's healthy the McD/Brady offense doesn't even have him on the field for half the snaps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean at the end of the day Tom Brady would chew out players and so would Peyton Manning 

 

You follow your leader which is your quarterback 

 

I'm not blaming Josh... We've all seen this team doesn't rise every week compared to what it's sometimes does against a big time opponent 

 

Sean McDermott has been the same guy for 9 years.. he is consistent 

 

Josh gives us way more ebbs and flows.. I understand the grind of a 17 game regular season with postseason and even Tom Brady didn't wake up 17 times 

 

If Josh is saying they wanted it more he also means it includes him.. not that he's the problem 

 

When Josh has the troops riled up... You usually see a different team 

 

This was a short week on the road a great defense.. maybe the bills don't care if they have to play the Patriots in the postseason because they think they're going to wake up for that and they're not worried enough one game take all

 

I'm just spitballing... Because we have to hope

Ridiculous 

 

It's not the QBs job to have the team prepared to play

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Bosa, AJE and Rousseau combined for zero sacks.   Anderson and Hunter had 4.5 sacks.  Difference between flashes and production.

Bosa needs to take a game or two off and get healthy. 
 

It’s comical we haven’t done that yet as his wrist has him rushing with one hand. 
 

But we can’t rest him because we decided to pay Rousseau 20M to be tall

and look like he’s good at football.