Josh Allen doing Josh Allen things, and why we need it

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

No coach is going to tell his QB to two hand toss a pass to someone which lead to his first interception. I am sick of fans blaming coaching for players making dumb mistakes. That was Josh trying to do his Mahomes impression to make a play out of nothing which as we saw wasn't wise. 

So you'd rather give up 2 points vs 3 points? Or are you assuming the defense couldn't defend a short field assuming KC would get one on the free kick after the safety?

im assuming they would have at least gotten into field goal range off a free kick so that would be 5 points and who knows they could also have broke something for a TD with different play calling from a free kick. 
 

so yes, ill take giving up 3 points instead of a safety plus then we got the ball back in good field position. 

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 He more often than not does make a play out of nothing though. If he didn’t do that then it was a safety anyways as he was already being grasped. 

And that is why you need to play within a system and try to be mistake free, so many games can be turned on one or two plays. Thankfully our defense held ground and only gave up 3 after that turnover. 

[Scott7975]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

You would give up a FG (3 points) over a safety (2 points). Weird but ok lol.

 

We were very fortunate to hold them there especially with this defense. I don't have the numbers but I would assume the TD% of a team beginning inside their opponents 10 yard line is astronomically high. In short, we got really fortunate. 

yes 3 over 2 and a free kick back to them. 

[Warriorspikes51]

truly a special player 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And that is why you need to play within a system and try to be mistake free, so many games can be turned on one or two plays. Thankfully our defense held ground and only gave up 3 after that turnover. 

Nobody is mistake free. Not a single QB. Did you watch Mahomie and Lamar play yesterday ? Way worse than Josh. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Scott7975

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

Nobody is mistake free. Not a single QB. Did you watch Mahomie and Lamar play yesterday ? Way worse than Josh. 

 

this place wouldn't be satisfied if Allen went 29/30 for 450 and 5TD's because he took an intentional grounding penalty or didn't celebrate the exact way they wanted him to on his 2nd TD 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

7 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

Last night the real Josh came out from all the low-positive, gloomy vibes of this season. The game became about him slinging it and creating and guess what: we scored 44 points. Yeah, he had two picks that turned into 3 points for TB. So what?

 

Few points:

 

1) The offense we tried to play for most of the season, featuring Brady's play designs for 5 yard patterns, was boring and awful. Turning Josh into a glorified game manager is moronic and frankly depressing. Today we let Josh and to a lesser extent Cook get going, instead focusing on how to unlock Coleman by force-feeding him. Today Brady also got in a rhythm finally and made some great timely play calls.

 

2) No one on this offense needs the ball unless they get open... even Kincaid should not be featured. It just distracts Brady trying to serve each player their own special plays. Feature JOSH ALLEN with a hefty side of James Cook, our best most explosive players by far. Mix in downfield passes and don't forget Shake-n-bake Shakir down there. Forget the low upside plays, like WR screens--it doesn't give us numbers when the WR who would be blocking for the RB is getting the ball. Run out of the 11 formation more, so we threaten the pass, instead of letting teams know we are running with Hawes and Gilliam on the field.

 

4) More than the score, the game and the team felt better emotionally than it has for weeks. We left it on the field and won a game-of-the-week shootout. Our defense is not capable of holding teams, but we can get some timely turnovers and win this way much easier than playing ball control as if we had a run defense. The biggest thing is we need to clamp down on D on third-and-long--it's about making big plays and getting our O back the ball. 

 

5) McDermott better get some beta blockers, cause this is who we need to be. This is what gives us our swagger, what makes us unique. We have the NFL's equivalent of Paul Bunyan, and a damn good running back. Let them rip.

 

GO BILLS!

the main problem with the offense is the 32 points the Bucs scored. 
 

The only way our D succeeds is if our O plays a slower, TOP, ball control game with no turnovers and gets out in front a little. 
 

If we play on offense like we did yesterday, every game is going to be a barn burner.

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

I'll also add that while it probably isnt 100% correlation/causation, the offense looked freed of the Coleman weight anchoring them down

 

When you have 1 of your WR’s running routes like this, it’s not great.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

yes 3 over 2 and a free kick back to them. 

So I'm going to assume you wouldn't want to kick back to them because you don't have faith in the defense to stop them from scoring? So it would in effect be a 9 point swing rather than just a 2 point on the safety and making a stop on defense. Would that be correct? With this defense, I'm not saying it's wrong. They very well may have given up a longer TD drive.

 

But, the outcome now is already known. The defense shut it down and only gave up a FG. But in the moment, all outcomes were possible. That easily could have been a pick 6. They easily could have (and probably should have) converted that into a TD. With the variance of the outcome unknown and without the benefit of using hindsight, it was an incredibly stupid and wreckless play on Josh's part. 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

the main problem with the offense is the 32 points the Bucs scored. 
 

The only way our D succeeds is if our O plays a slower, TOP, ball control game with no turnovers and gets out in front a little. 
 

If we play on offense like we did yesterday, every game is going to be a barn burner.

I'm sold on the idea they need to go with the "Josh Allen experience" every game from here to the end of the season. If they go back to slow paced milk the clock and limit drive count Brady ball game management on offense on Thursday they're going to lose something like 27-10 to the Texans. Because this defense as its playing now can't stop anyone and is still going to give up points. So instead win 37-27.

Edited 8 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills

[CirclnWagons]

I did like seeing Josh go out and embrace the chaos and play the way he does best. It just seems we basically depend on that and wonder why we continue going home early. It’s fun and it’s exciting but it’s not sustainable  and the last few years have proven it 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm sold on the idea they need to go with the "Josh Allen experience" every game from here to the end of the season. If they go back to slow paced milk the clock and limit drive count Brady ball game management on offense on Thursday they're going to lose something like 27-10 to the Texans. Because this defense as its playing now can't stop anyone and is still going to give up points. So instead win 37-27.

i hear you. To me, it depends on the opponent. The slower pace is how we beat the ravens in the playoffs last year. Keep Lamar and Henry off the field, get a few turnovers, and hang onto win.  
 

I think it’s our best shot in the playoffs. Unfortunately, it’s wasting Josh— but it does protect our leaky defense.

[mjt328]

As I've been saying all season, this offense needs balance.

 

The main reason an aggressive pass game worked yesterday, was because it broke all the tendencies we've been putting on film over the first 9 games.  The Bucs were crowding the line of scrimmage to stop the run and quick screens.  So when we did play-action on 1st Down, guys were open downfield.  

 

There are going to be games we need to be run-heavy.  And there are going to be games where the downfield stuff won't be there.  If we suddenly just switch to a crazy and aggressive no matter what style down the stretch, it's going to backfire on us in 3-4 games when the opposing coordinators catch-up again.  

 

Don't throw the 13 personnel, Shakir screens, etc. into the trash.  Just keep them on hold for when defenses switch it up.

 

[Jerome007]

7 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

Forget the low upside plays, like WR screens--it doesn't give us numbers when the WR who would be blocking for the RB is getting the ball.

You saw that Ty Johnson TD? It was exactly that.

The proportion had gotten crazy, turning JA into a game manager. But it can't always be like yesterday either! 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

So I'm going to assume you wouldn't want to kick back to them because you don't have faith in the defense to stop them from scoring? So it would in effect be a 9 point swing rather than just a 2 point on the safety and making a stop on defense. Would that be correct? With this defense, I'm not saying it's wrong. They very well may have given up a longer TD drive.

 

But, the outcome now is already known. The defense shut it down and only gave up a FG. But in the moment, all outcomes were possible. That easily could have been a pick 6. They easily could have (and probably should have) converted that into a TD. With the variance of the outcome unknown and without the benefit of using hindsight, it was an incredibly stupid and wreckless play on Josh's part. 

 

 

 

It also could've been a completion. 

 

I think both of his INTs yesterday were good risks to take. The first one he makes a risky throw to avoid a safety. The second one he tried forcing a throw on 4th down - an INT is preferable to an incompletion on that play. 

[Jerome007]

59 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Did you not watch Josh early in his career? His first INT was classic Allen in his first few years. Just pushing too hard to make something outta nothing. Those are the plays they have tried to coach out of him. And rightfully so. No need to take a big risk on your first possession that deep in your own territory.

Hey, nobody can or should defend that bonehead play ha ha. But it was two plays in, and in those two plays there was a rusher coming unblocked straight at Josh, while JA is inside his endzone!  It was a safety in the making, it became a bad INT. And thanks to the D, 3 points instead of 7. Bu unless Josh missed some blocking assignments, it was not all on him. Crazy to see these unblocked rushers to start the game! 

[Scott7975]

35 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

So I'm going to assume you wouldn't want to kick back to them because you don't have faith in the defense to stop them from scoring? So it would in effect be a 9 point swing rather than just a 2 point on the safety and making a stop on defense. Would that be correct? With this defense, I'm not saying it's wrong. They very well may have given up a longer TD drive.

 

But, the outcome now is already known. The defense shut it down and only gave up a FG. But in the moment, all outcomes were possible. That easily could have been a pick 6. They easily could have (and probably should have) converted that into a TD. With the variance of the outcome unknown and without the benefit of using hindsight, it was an incredibly stupid and wreckless play on Josh's part. 

 

 

 

Yes. The result was also better field position for us.

You can call it incredibly stupid and wreckless play but thats because of the result. Had he tossed it better, which he has done a bunch of times now this year, and gotten out of the safety then what? You dont get these miraculous plays without trying to do "incredibly stupid and wreckless."

Josh is not Tom Brady. He is never going to be. Dinking and Dunking down the field all game every game is not what makes Josh special. What makes Josh special is the plays that you call "incredibly stupid and wreckless." You just don't call them that when they work. 

 

 

[PayDaBill$]

I’d rather have Josh being Josh and live with the occasional 👀sugar rush Josh👀 than watch him be neutered and reduced to some game manager.

 

If that’s what we wants Mitch is fully capable. SMH!

Let Josh take a few shots down field, use quick hitters and get the RB’s out catching passes it’ll set Cook up in the running game.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by PayDaBill$

[Low Positive]

It depends on what defenses do. If they drop back into the 2-deep shells, then run it at them. If they pack the box, like the Bucs did yesterday, throw it downfield. 

[CincyBillsFan]

54 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Nobody is mistake free. Not a single QB. Did you watch Mahomie and Lamar play yesterday ? Way worse than Josh. 

And Hurts and Goff didn't exactly light it up in their game either.  Of course Collnsworth kept talking about the WIND in Philly.  Oh wait, was it windy in Orchard Park yesterday? And Darnold was channeling good old Nathan Peterman with 4 INT's.