According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I disagree, you cant miss how he does in the early rounds. 

Especially because the second round is where the best pure football players are

[Julio Hopkins]

42 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

Quit your day job and become an NFL GM then.  

 

By the way, you can thank Doug Whaley for passing on Mahomes.  Beane WAS NOT GM until May of 2017, shortly after that draft.  Beane had NOTHING to do with that.

 

It wasn't Doug Whaley in charge of that draft, it was Sean McDermott.  Pegula wanted to draft Mahomes but didn't want to meddle in the process and overrule McDermott.   

[SoonerBillsFan]

34 minutes ago, stuvian said:

I haven't heard the clip. I understand the investment in the WR position and can understand that Coleman has a higher ceiling than McConkey. But part of scouting is personality assessment. It's especially concerning given that we've whiffed on defense picks too

Based on what?  Mcconkey came out same height and weight as Diggs while being faster and damn good in the SEC.  Sorry NO Coleman does not have a higher ceiling 

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Especially because the second round is where the best pure football players are

You can find some damn good talent there, but with 1st round contracts guaranteed, you gotta hit more than not.  And quit trading down with the team you are most trying to beat!  Esp.  when their GM drafts better than you!

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Based on what?  Mcconkey came out same height and weight as Diggs while being faster and damn good in the SEC.  Sorry NO Coleman does not have a higher ceiling 

You can find some damn good talent there, but with 1st round contracts guaranteed, you gotta hit more than not.  And quit trading down with the team you are most trying to beat!  Esp.  when their GM drafts better than you!

First round contracts give you a fifth year option 

 

But realistically there's not 32 first round picks.. the top 10-15 is filled with blue chip football players with blue chip athleticism and traits with football IQ

 

 then there's the first round picks that people are reaching on for athleticism hoping their football talent and IQ will catch up 

 

But between 30 and 70 is where pure football players are.. metrics are not always the most important.. this is where guys who played great ball at Big conferences with production and football IQ are and always have been... What I call pure football players

 

And beane has struggled there

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Told you. Davis plays the same role just he actually gets separation and can get deep.

 

 

Just want to point out that this is NOT what people on this board were saying about Davis after about his third year.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Just want to point out that this is NOT what people on this board were saying about Davis after about his third year.

 

That's because the Bills tried to force him to be a #2 WR instead of a #4 WR

[WotAGuy]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

First round contracts give you a fifth year option 

 

But realistically there's not 32 first round picks.. the top 10-15 is filled with blue chip football players with blue chip athleticism and traits with football IQ

 

 then there's the first round picks that people are reaching on for athleticism hoping their football talent and IQ will catch up 

 

But between 30 and 70 is where pure football players are.. metrics are not always the most important.. this is where guys who played great ball at Big conferences with production and football IQ are and always have been... What I call pure football players

 

And beane has struggled there

True and that seems to be why Beane has a meh record in the first two rounds. He seems to draft for needs and potential as opposed to performance. In later rounds, he settles more on performance. 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

23 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

There are some whiffs that are just too obvious, and they hit me like when our OC gets too cute and try’s a stupid gimmick play when the obvious play is the right choice. 
 

The one that still drives me up a wall was when they passed on DK for that RT (I believe…but it was someone worthless). 
 

If you want to go down that rabbit hole, with DK, no need to trade for Diggs. No trade, we keep our #1 that could’ve been J.Jefferson. 
 

Obviously just a “what if” fever dream but imagine what JA could’ve done with DK /JJ and it’s not like it would’ve taken Madden like trades. This was what was right in front of us.

Yes, very frustrating. I remember when we picked Elam: I preferred Woolen, even in the first because I believed in his talent and mentality. Granted, we could have had him later (we did take Cook in the second that year) but it’s that kind of thing too often that has left us with a superstar QB and a slightly above average / average talent roster.

[boyst]

This was potentially the get right game for Coleman as TB struggles to defend the wide out passes on the boundaries.

[WotAGuy]

Just now, boyst said:

This was potentially the get right game for Coleman as TB struggles to defend the wide out passes on the boundaries.

Do the Bills throw those????

[Starr Almighty]

I was hoping for a healthy cut

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

First round contracts give you a fifth year option 

 

But realistically there's not 32 first round picks.. the top 10-15 is filled with blue chip football players with blue chip athleticism and traits with football IQ

 

 then there's the first round picks that people are reaching on for athleticism hoping their football talent and IQ will catch up 

 

But between 30 and 70 is where pure football players are.. metrics are not always the most important.. this is where guys who played great ball at Big conferences with production and football IQ are and always have been... What I call pure football players

 

And beane has struggled there

Good stuff.  I just think to all the missed opportunities.  Humphries vs Boogie still burns my butt.  He could have traded further up to get the CB he wanted and instead forced the Elam pick vs. BPA.

 

Mcconkey was right there... right there!  ARGH!!!

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

4 minutes ago, boyst said:

This was potentially the get right game for Coleman as TB struggles to defend the wide out passes on the boundaries.

If they are benching him it’s because he’s not doing what he’s supposed to be. Whether he’s not trying or being a dooshnozzle when he’s being coached/taught criticized. This is the pros. If you don’t wanna then someone else will. You can be sure of that.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Good stuff.  I just think to all the missed opportunities.  Humphries vs Boogie still burns my butt.  He could have traded further up to get the CB he wanted and instead forced the Elam pick vs. BPA.

 

Mcconkey was right there... right there!  ARGH!!!

 

 

 

I'm not a part of the bills organization so I can't tell you what's going on in the war room right before it's about to happen 

 

But I wonder what the scout consensus at one Bills drive versus beanes train of thought is 

 

Is Brandon Bean taking Coleman because that's his guy... But he's willing to listen to his scouts in the sixth round and take Christian Benford because the pressure isn't as high

 

Beane is not a trained on the road full-time scout.. he was a front office guy with some scouting training... I wonder if there's scouts screaming for guys that he doesn't pull the trigger for when he can 

 

Because he has his plan

 

Bills have always had a pretty solid scouting department.. overthinking them is how you draft bums

 

 

 

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[Marcus Aurelius]

44 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Hilarious AND a fantastic reminder of how great Gladys Knight is.  What a legend.

Best version of this classic IMHO ...

[GoBills808]

32 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I disagree, you cant miss how he does in the early rounds. 

I'm not saying he's perfect or even excellent tbh

 

I think his drafts are generally solid if unspectacular

[Ya Digg?]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That's because the Bills tried to force him to be a #2 WR instead of a #4 WR

This is revisionist history-nobody thought they were “forcing” him there, everyone thought he was a legit 2

[Warriorspikes51]

I’d guess about 90% of this board was adament that we didn’t want to draft Coleman

 

Shame that the fans appear wiser than the GM

 

especially because of all the talk about speed and then passing on Worthy for one of the slowest WR’s drafted 

Edited 1 hour ago by Warriorspikes51

[uticaclub]

54 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He was never even a full time road scout at any level

 

 

Hope he likes southeast Nebraska 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm not saying he's perfect or even excellent tbh

 

I think his drafts are generally solid if unspectacular

I don't think I would ever disagree with that 

 

He picks a lot of good football players..but you can't miss on your first pick in a draft and get Josh a wide receiver who's now in the doghouse 

 

Josh makes a lot of football players look good so to getting to the dog house Take some non-effort 

 

I would trade beans sixth round successes for second round successes because you're just getting better athletes typically in a more premium spot