According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch

[BillsFan130]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Looks like we are going to see him tomorrow so hopefully he steps up.

I think Moore will take Samuel's spot and Codrington takes Hardmans for returner 

i hope I'm right lol as would prefer not to see Keon 

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Something’s gotta drive home their point.  Keon’s hometown is 3 hours from Houston, so not getting to even be at the game might especially sting for him. 

Exactly what I was thinking. 

[Sierra Foothills]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I hear you. As a team leader I agree 99.99% of the time, so I get it. You "praise in public, punish in private" as the old leadership saying goes. And that is exactly what McD and some players have been doing for over a year. But it's possible for a team member to slack their way out of that.

 

This Bills team in general are not the types to pop off out of turn. The fact Dion said anything should show exactly where Keon stands, not be an indictment on Dion's leadership.

 

Go Bills!

 

25 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Dawkins is a pro bowl veteran and the best player on possibly the best offensive line in the league. A couple Offside penalties do not negate that, or the respect he commands within the locker room.

 

He’s also like the most positive guy out there, so if he’s saying you need to get your act together, then probably Coleman should listen.

 

I understand what you guys are saying.

 

The last thing I'll add is that maybe I'm biased a bit due to Dion's media ascendancy. I know he's a good guy but I feel like he's a bit drunk on celebrity and now feels like he has to speak when he sees a microphone. Between his creation of the Offensive Lineman award and receiving the keys to the city I wonder if he's become a bit too loose around the media.

 

[milfandcookies]

9 minutes ago, dcinmuncie said:

Jumping Offside in an adrenaline filled football game is different than missing and being late for team meetings 

 

Especially when you’re a second year player who has been nothing but a disappointment compared to a respected 9 year vet who doesn’t miss team meetings (and not dancing on the sidelines on a game where he’s benched for missing team meetings )

Dawkins does his fair share of dancing and theatrics 

[SectionC3]

Just now, milfandcookies said:

Dawkins does his fair share of dancing and theatrics 

He’s also A level LT who has his act together.  He can dance if he wants to. 

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

He can dance if he wants to. 

 

And he can leave Ke-on behind...

 

 

[SectionC3]

Just now, Simon said:

 

And he can leave Ke-on behind...

 

 

No safeties tomorrow, though.    at least not for them.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

And he can leave Ke-on behind...

 

 

Perfection...

[Bob in STL]

31 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Imagine being young and new on the job making a mistake, and the fat, sloppy veteran who just made multiple mistakes calls you out to everyone on TV

 

regardless of whether Dawkins comments were warranted or appropriate, they are ineffective and not helpful

 

Imagine being "young and new on the job" and earning a reputation as lazy, and putting yourself in the Coaches dog house 3 times in less than 2 seasons?  

 

Calling Dawkins fat and sloppy says something about how you think, and it is not how men that play professional football think.  

 

That "fat, sloppy veteran" did the young and new guy a big favor.  Coleman should listen to this helpful message.   

 

Dawkins has been with the Bills a long time, he is a pro bowler and a core veteran on this team.   His comments were warranted and appropriate.  If Coleman finds them "ineffective and not helpful" then his football career with this team might be a short one.   

 

[RkFast]

23 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Dawkins does his fair share of dancing and theatrics 

 

Dawkins is also a borderline All Pro and defacto team captain.

[dcinmuncie]

25 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Dawkins does his fair share of dancing and theatrics 

You missed the part where I said not dancing on the sidelines WHILE BENCHED

 

 

[Fleezoid]

13 hours ago, DaVinci said:

  I'm ready coach !

 

I see you've been doing some backyard birding. Great discovery. 

[milfandcookies]

11 minutes ago, dcinmuncie said:

You missed the part where I said not dancing on the sidelines WHILE BENCHED

 

 

I didn’t miss it. He’s supposed to slit his wrists or something? He danced like the chubby team captain also does when the TEAM wins. 

[Andy1]

I don't get all the rush to dump Keon. The young guy has talent, he’s on the team and he’s immature. He was given a starting role and didn’t appreciate it. Now with the emergence of Gabe and Shavers, he is going to have to earn it. He has the rest of this season to show the coaches and team what and who he is. I hope he figures it out. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Andy1

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

That to me was Beane's great failure with the Coleman pick. Not that Coleman has not been (to date) the player that the Bills hoped for when they drafted him -- but that given that the position was one of such great need (in a draft that was reportedly the deepest at WR we had seen in some time) that they didn't double-down by taking a shot at another WR later in the draft. It's funny that Bean HAS done this at other positions in the past, including (as you mentioned) Elam/Benford. He also did this in the latest draft at both the CB as well as the DL positions. Sadly, he had ample opportunities to do so last year with multiple mid-round picks to navigate, and hindsight shows us that he could have used that late 3rd round pick (ironically acquired in the move-down that allowed the Chiefs to acquire Worthy) to take Franklin instead of Carter.

 

What is even more irritating is that in their move-downs, they wound up with the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round, which allowed them overnight to re-think their strategy (and probably afforded them some additional trade options as that 33rd pick is a treasured commodity). I also can't buy that they were THAT enamored with Coleman -- otherwise they wouldn't have traded down TWICE and risked losing out on him. I know Beane was frantic about acquiring additional draft picks, especially since the team didn't originally have a 3rd due to the R. Douglas trade. But trade-downs like that when your biggest need is glaringly obvious means that you don't have a great conviction about a specific guy at that position -- which is why it made even MORE sense to hedge the bet by taking another WR on day 2 (or beginning of day 3).

 

The funny thing is that when day 1 came to a close, I felt certain that they had their sights on Franklin. The team had met with him on multiple occasions, and I even remember one reporter stating at the conclusion of the 1st round that the Bills' taking Franklin to start the 2nd round was one of the rare certainties of the draft. The only thing I will say is that, given that the team DID their due diligence on Franklin, there must have been something they didn't like about him.

 

These are really interesting points. 

Beane does have a strong history of doubling down at positions of need - Rousseau/Basham; Elam/Benford; Sanders/Walker; Hairston/Strong; Sanders/Walker. 

He also has a history of drafting multiple players at positions of need in subsequent drafts (Epenesa followed by Rousseau/Basham; DeWayne Carter followed by Sanders/Walker).

So why didn't he do similar for an obvious position of need at WR?  It's possible they wanted Franklin, but didn't have a 3rd round grade on him and thought he might slip far enough into the 4th that they'd have a chance at him

I personally think that Beane just under-values the WR position and over-prioritizes the D.  He learned his trade largely in Carolina, and that seemed to have been a theme there for Newton - leading to Newton both rushing more than one would like to make things happen, and trying to extend plays at the risk of his body.

 

5 hours ago, milfandcookies said:

How do you go back to work after a team leader ripped you in front of the cameras after a team win

 

Serious question: did you actually watch the interview with Dawkins?  Because from what you're posting, it doesn't seem like you did.

[YoloinOhio]

46 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

I didn’t miss it. He’s supposed to slit his wrists or something? He danced like the chubby team captain also does when the TEAM wins. 

I thought he was dancing pre-game, like right after he was benched 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, milfandcookies said:

No he was wrong for saying that in front of the cameras 

 

Are you Keon's mommy or something?

 

And again, did you actually watch the interview with Dion?  

Let me help you.

He was asked. 
He responded "I already spoke to him.  When I spoke to Keon before in this game, and I told him Bro Look.  Don't even worry about it.  Everybody goes through a different journey, right?  Let's just say that this is the last time [ie last time he's late] and let's just move forward.  And he said 'I'm with you".  That's all and we need, like, nobody's perfect.  In this league, we need guys to come on, and Keon knows right now he's in the hot seat and he needs to come on and show up for us.  Pats on the back are over with, and it's time for him to grow up, and he knows it.  And uh, as an older player on the team, we hold everybody accountable.  We shoot straight.  We don't sugar coat it.  And the words were said to him and he took it well.  And we'll see how it goes this week.  Like I said in the beginning of the season, I'm in Keon's corner, man.  This league is hard.  Being on time is hard.  Being great is hard.  Pushing for greatness is hard.  We got his back, but the time is now."

 

Exactly what part of that constituted "throwing Keon under the bus" or should not have been said in front of the camera?

 

You are making a big kerfluffle and going after "chubby guy" (by the way, OL are like bears, they're supposed to have excess body fat) for responding in what seems a pretty fair and measured way to a question he was asked.  He did not say anything about it being Keon's "last chance", I have no idea how people got that.  He also said some positive things about Keon.  He said he's in Keon's corner.  He said "make it the last time and let's just move forward."  He said the team needs him to come on, and show up, which he wouldn't say if Keon were incapable of either.

 

Frankly, I think you need to come on and grow up.

 

[milfandcookies]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Are you Keon's mommy or something?

 

And again, did you actually watch the interview with Dion?  

Let me help you.

He was asked. 
He responded "I already spoke to him.  When I spoke to Keon before in this game, and I told him Bro Look.  Don't even worry about it.  Everybody goes through a different journey, right?  Let's just say that this is the last time [ie last time he's late] and let's just move forward.  And he said 'I'm with you".  That's all and we need, like, nobody's perfect.  In this league, we need guys to come on, and Keon knows right now he's in the hot seat and he needs to come on and show up for us.  Pats on the back are over with, and it's time for him to grow up, and he knows it.  And uh, as an older player on the team, we hold everybody accountable.  We shoot straight.  We don't sugar coat it.  And the words were said to him and he took it well.  And we'll see how it goes this week.  Like I said in the beginning of the season, I'm in Keon's corner, man.  This league is hard.  Being on time is hard.  Being great is hard.  Pushing for greatness is hard.  We got his back, but the time is now."

 

Exactly what part of that constituted "throwing Keon under the bus" or should not have been said in front of the camera?

 

You are making a big kerfluffle and going after "chubby guy" (by the way, OL are like bears, they're supposed to have excess body fat) for responding in what seems a pretty fair and measured way to a question he was asked.  He did not say anything about it being Keon's "last chance", I have no idea how people got that.  He also said some positive things about Keon.  He said he's in Keon's corner.  He said "make it the last time and let's just move forward."  He said the team needs him to come on, and show up, which he wouldn't say if Keon were incapable of either.

 

Frankly, I think you need to come on and grow up.

 

the answer to the question is easy. “Hey I’m just one guy on this team. I don’t make roster decisions.” 
 

he can talk to Coleman privately and we are talking about a great team win this week and not this mess 

[Beck Water]

28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I thought he was dancing pre-game, like right after he was benched 

 

That is correct.  He was dancing during pre-game warm-ups. 

But this is another instance where I think too much is being made of that by talking heads who need controversy to live.   

A bunch of players were dancing.  Cam Lewis danced up to him and Keon mini-bro-hugged him like "have a good game".    If Keon had been sitting morosely on the bench or standing shoulders down in front of the sideline heater, he'd be criticized for being disconnected.

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

8 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

the answer to the question is easy. “Hey I’m just one guy on this team. I don’t make roster decisions.” 
 

he can talk to Coleman privately and we are talking about a great team win this week and not this mess 

You sound like you've had somewhat similar experiences to Keon, and perhaps one of those people who never quite gets it like others do. Tough thing being you I would bet. Excelling as part of a team isn't for everyone.

Edited 1 hour ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower