According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch (rumored for Texans game too)

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I'm always late to these threads, so my apologies if it's been posted (I'm also not gonna check 6 pages of replys 😅) 

 

 

Eh, who is "BillsReport" and how reliable are their unnamed sources? Not saying this didn't occur, but I'm not going to put much stock in this report until there's further corroboration.

[Buffalo716]

41 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

FWIW, I agree with @Buffalo716 that Beane's track record is very good drafting in the middle/late rounds.  The overall league'hit rate' there is like 15-20%, lower in the 6th and 7th.  Beane consistently finds guys who can ball - both guys who can start, like Milano, Benford, Shakir - and guys who can make the roster as backups/ST.  A lot of the guys we don't keep, wind up on other teams.
 

 

For the season, Kincaid's snaps are 63%, 57%, and this season 43% of the snaps.  The lower % of snaps are due to leaving a game due to injury, and then working his way back in after missing games due to injury.
 

 

Seriously?  Yikes.

I think Brandon Beane is a top 10 GM.. but also being honest I don't think we have the highest end roster in the NFL 

 

Again I definitely think it's in the top 10 

 

Brandon Beane does have a track record of drafting NFL football players.. he hasn't drafted a lot of all pros or pro bowlers 

 

But he does draft NFL talent... I'm pretty sure I read a stat couple months ago in the off season that said beane has drafted 64 players 

 

50 are still on NFL rosters 

 

He drafts some good players..a few great but we haven't had a lot of studs drafted but hopefully Bishop is another one 

 

His pro personnel moves have left a lot to be desired coupled with a couple of early busts

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Right? Kind of the exact opposite of early round strategy vs. later round strategy. Early, go for the "sure things" and later go for the "upside" guys. And to Beane's credit, he has some history with the mid-round guys definitely working out...less so with the early round guys (Allen of course).

 

If we want to look at just Beane's 1st rounds, we have

Guys who worked out (they are good to great) - let's call that 5

Allen 

Edmunds

Oliver

(traded for Diggs)

Rousseau

Kincaid

Guys who can't pay

Elam

Coleman (apparently - though it's technically early)

 

Skipping over the Diggs trade and giving Hairston a verdict of "too soon", that gives Beane 5/7 good, 2/7 bad or 71% "hit" rate which is better than average.

They aren't all studs, of course, but what GM drafts "all studs" in the first round?

[Royale with Cheese]

23 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Thanks.  I think I understood the gist of the message, I just couldn't parse "was not take over well"

 

If he didn't think it was a big deal to miss a meeting, wouldn't you think he'd be angry about being benched, not dancing around on the sidelines?

 

It to me sounds like victim mentality.  That drives everyone nuts.

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It to me sounds like victim mentality.  That drives everyone nuts.

 

Could be.  I can't find any info on who's behind the "@Billsreport" account though.  So no info on credibility/reliability.

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Could be.  I can't find any info on who's behind the "@Billsreport" account though.  So no info on credibility/reliability.

 

I was just about to say this. Cover 1 at least has some credibility. No one's corroborating the "Billsreport" story. Never heard of them. They've got 1k followers.

 

Feels like Twitter clickbait, thus far. People know tweets like that will do numbers with Keon hate at an all time high and if they "report" it and it happens to coincidentally be true - it makes them look legit.

[billsfan714]

Why do people think sources should be named?   It's not how news works.  Watergate anyone?   We found out Mark Felt was the source about 30 years later.  Happens all the time...according to a white house official...according to a pentagon official, etc..Reporters protect their sources all the time.  

Edited 1 hour ago by billsfan714

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think Brandon Beane is a top 10 GM.. but also being honest I don't think we have the highest end roster in the NFL 

 

Again I definitely think it's in the top 10 

 

Brandon Beane does have a track record of drafting NFL football players.. he hasn't drafted a lot of all pros or pro bowlers 

 

But he does draft NFL talent... I'm pretty sure I read a stat couple months ago in the off season that said beane has drafted 64 players 

 

50 are still on NFL rosters 

 

He drafts some good players..a few great but we haven't had a lot of studs drafted but hopefully Bishop is another one 

 

His pro personnel moves have left a lot to be desired coupled with a couple of early busts

 

I don't know if I'm right, but I think one factor is that McDermott, coming in as a head coach, deliberately did not want a "stars and guys" type D.  He wanted a "buy in, do your job" type D.  This stems directly from him taking over Jim Johnson's D in 2009 and getting fired in 2010.  The D went from 4th to 19th/21st and one of the "lessons learned" he took from it was "make sure guys buy in to your system".
 

That seems to me how McDermott's D is designed to work - everyone know their job and do their job.  The problem is, if we pile up too many injuries and have too many guys hobbled or replaced by guys who can't quite get 'er done, there aren't any "freakazoids" on D who can take the game over and change it with a play.

 

I thought it was pretty clear when McDermott came here as head coach, that he valued guys who he thought would buy in to his system above "freakazoids".  IT's why he stuck with Star Lotulelei and some other DL players as long as he did.  I think he reluctantly changed after 2021, which is why Beane "swung for the fences" signing Von Miller in FA - he hadn't managed to draft a DE "freakazoid" at the end of the first/top of the 2nd, so he decided he'd buy one.

We all know how that worked out.

 

 

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Why do people think sources should be named?   It's not how news works.  Watergate anyone?   We found out Mark Felt was the source about 30 years later.  Happens all the time...according to a white house official...according to a pentagon official, etc..Reporters protect their sources all the time.  

More of an issue of followers farming.

 

like if you posed as a PSU insider bought a bunch of followers from Asia, and then said you have sources saying KDB is strongly considering jumping to Penn State you’d get a ton more followers 

2 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

It is not impossible Beane is out at season's end. Mark my words. There are plenty of things to hold him accountable for and he's the easier replacement rather than McDermott.

It’s borderline impossible 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't know if I'm right, but I think one factor is that McDermott, coming in as a head coach, deliberately did not want a "stars and guys" type D.  He wanted a "buy in, do your job" type D.  This stems directly from him taking over Jim Johnson's D in 2009 and getting fired in 2010.  The D went from 4th to 19th/21st and one of the "lessons learned" he took from it was "make sure guys buy in to your system".
 

That seems to me how McDermott's D is designed to work - everyone know their job and do their job.  The problem is, if we pile up too many injuries and have too many guys hobbled or replaced by guys who can't quite get 'er done, there aren't any "freakazoids" on D who can take the game over and change it with a play.

 

I thought it was pretty clear when McDermott came here as head coach, that he valued guys who he thought would buy in to his system above "freakazoids".  IT's why he stuck with Star Lotulelei and some other DL players as long as he did.  I think he reluctantly changed after 2021, which is why Beane "swung for the fences" signing Von Miller in FA - he hadn't managed to draft a DE "freakazoid" at the end of the first/top of the 2nd, so he decided he'd buy one.

We all know how that worked out.

 

 

 

I really thought Gregg could develop into that freak 

 

Don't get me wrong he is a very solid football player... He is very stout 

 

It's just when you see 20-year-old kid 6 ft 7 270 lb with those athletic traits 

 

Man the sky was the limit and it seems like he's rounded into a top 10 end.. but he still isn't an elite pass rusher

[billsfan714]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

More of an issue of followers farming.

 

like if you posed as a PSU insider bought a bunch of followers from Asia, and then said you have sources saying KDB is strongly considering jumping to Penn State you’d get a ton more followers 

I get that especially with the internet.  But there is faction on here that are ready to not believe anything about the Bills unless its all sunshine and rainbows.  Look at the beginning of the thread.   

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Why do people think sources should be named?   It's not how news works.  Watergate anyone?   We found out Mark Felt was the source about 30 years later.  Happens all the time...according to a white house official...according to a pentagon official, etc..Reporters protect their sources all the time.  

Cuz without names it could just be conjecture. As sadly today's news reporting isnt always reporting but claiming something true based another reporters opinion.

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Why do people think sources should be named?   It's not how news works.  Watergate anyone?   We found out Mark Felt was the source about 30 years later.  Happens all the time...according to a white house official...according to a pentagon official...Reporters protect their sources all the time.  

 

Hi.  I think you might be conflating two issues: the journalistic standard of the media or individual account publishing the info, vs whether or not their source is anonymous.  As far as @Billsreport, the issue for me is who is running the account and how accountable is he for reliability and accuracy?  It's not just an issue of sources.  It's an issue of transparency and standards.

 

If John Wawrow of AP is reporting something, it had two independent verified sources (whether or not he names them)

If Matt Parrino of Syracuse.com and SHOUT! is reporting something, I know he has sources (whether or not he names them) but he'll also amplify stuff other guys tweet out (that may or may not be accurate) without additional sources or verification.  So it's a bit lower reliability.
 

There are other guys who are pretty much willing to just make stuff up.

Then we have posters here who know someone, and sometimes get good info from sources they want to protect.  But we're rightly cautious of them until some of the info they give is proven correct.

 

So even accepting that it's reasonable to protect sources, the affiliation of the account and its standard of journalism matter.

Since you brought up Watergate, Woodward and Bernstein worked for the Washington Post, which had a clear standard of multiple sources.  Felt wasn't "the source", they had 6 or 7 sources they were protecting.   One of the roles Felt filled for them was to confirm and serve as a second independent source to confirm information.
 

16 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Cuz without names it could just be conjecture. As sadly today's news reporting isnt always reporting but claiming something true based another reporters opinion.

 

Or too often these days, just reiterating some random tweet

Edited 1 hour ago by Beck Water

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Hi.  I think you might be conflating two issues: the journalistic standard of the media or individual account publishing the info, vs whether or not their source is anonymous.  As far as @Billsreport, the issue for me is who is running the account and how accountable is he for reliability and accuracy?  It's not just an issue of sources.  It's an issue of transparency and standards.

 

If John Wawrow of AP is reporting something, it had two independent verified sources (whether or not he names them)

If Matt Parrino of Syracuse.com and SHOUT! is reporting something, I know he has sources (whether or not he names them) but he'll also amplify stuff other guys tweet out (that may or may not be accurate) without additional sources or verification.  So it's a bit lower reliability.
 

There are other guys who are pretty much willing to just make stuff up.

Then we have posters here who know someone, and sometimes get good info from sources they want to protect.  But we're rightly cautious of them until some of the info they give is proven correct.

 

So even accepting that it's reasonable to protect sources, the affiliation of the account and its standard of journalism matter.

Since you brought up Watergate, Woodward and Bernstein worked for the Washington Post, which had a clear standard of multiple sources.  Felt wasn't "the source", they had 6 or 7 sources they were protecting.   One of the roles Felt filled for them was to confirm and serve as a second independent source to confirm information.
 

 

Or too often these days, just reiterating some random tweet

Sources say....

[Steptide]

57 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Eh, who is "BillsReport" and how reliable are their unnamed sources? Not saying this didn't occur, but I'm not going to put much stock in this report until there's further corroboration.

Ya I debated even sharing it honestly, but their page seems legit. As far as a news source, not sure how credible it is, but at the end of the day, most of what we talk about here is speculation anyway 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

9 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Ya I debated even sharing it honestly, but their page seems legit. As far as a news source, not sure how credible it is, but at the end of the day, most of what we talk about here is speculation anyway 

You're correct and some on are here acting like so and so being active/inactive is vital to national security and it's mindboggling. This site is for fun, info and discussion. Nothing more , nothing less. If it looks like a reasonable source then go with your info!

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Sources say....

 

Rumor has it...(Adele)
 

58 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Ya I debated even sharing it honestly, but their page seems legit. As far as a news source, not sure how credible it is, but at the end of the day, most of what we talk about here is speculation anyway 

 

Fair

Edited 9 minutes ago by Beck Water

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Rumor has it...(Adele)
 

 

Fair

This is not related but I literally just almost had a heart attack 

 

I just found a ticket from Seneca Creek casino from before the season 

 

All futures 

Ravens win AFC North 

Bills to win AFC East 

Chargers to win AFC West 

Indy to win AFC South 

Green Bay to win NFC North

Philly to win NFC East 

San Francisco to win NFC West 

Tampa Bay to win NFC South 

 

+86000 odds lol

 

Damn wasn't that far off and I think technically possible to hit big still

 

 

Edited 4 minutes ago by Buffalo716