Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[MikePJ76]

maybe its just me but I didn't get the sense that anyone said coleman isn't trying.  I am not even sure where this is coming from other than him being the fan whipping boy at the moment.

[RunTheBall]

Coleman is very close to being a bust and off the team. There’s a lot of factors why, but what’s tanking him quick is his immaturity and his lack of professionalism. It’s not his fault he was drafted where he was, that he was given the job without any competition, and that he’s being used in a position that doesn’t maximize his talents. But, he’s clearly not doing the little things like showing up on time and playing balls to the wall every play. He isn’t good enough to have a diva attitude where he takes plays off, and that’s what is going to sink him.

 

Brady is a huge problem. He has not advanced his scheme that was successful last year. I love a run first approach but the pendulum has swung way too far in that direction. Brady does not scheme his players open, rarely schemes against a defenses weaknesses, and does not put his players in a position to succeed. 

 

I’m praying that Gabe friggin Davis is the answer. I can’t believe I’m saying that. But, at the X position he can have the Amari Cooper effect and keep teams from dropping that over the top safety into the box and muddling the middle of the field. I’m praying that that is enough to open up the middle for the intermediate routes Josh is good at but poor at anticipating. 

 

Josh is spooked. He’s got the happy feet, looks a step slower, is hesitant to throw, is afraid of throwing picks, he’s a second late on all his decisions (run/pass). 

 

Get Gabe friggin Davis out there, let Josh throw some bombs and some picks to him, and maybe the fire will re ignite in him because he looks frustrated, checked out, not having fun. A happy Golden Retriever is much more effective than a woe is me depressed Golden.

 

 

[mjt328]

My feeling is that Keon Coleman is not the only player giving a less than full effort this season.

 

It's astounding to me how many vets on this team are doing nothing, and look completely disinterested in how the team is playing.

[dpberr]

It's partly him (he looks like he absolutely hates to do any blocking) but I also don't think the Bills use his skills properly.  He's not a WR1.  He's more of a slot or TE.  He's not beating CB1 coverage, but he can beat other coverages.  It's not Coleman's problem that the Bills WR room is all slot and gadget receivers.

 

He'd be good at the "Travis Kelce, just run around out there" route.  

 

 

[jaybeezee]

6 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

My feeling is that Keon Coleman is not the only player giving a less than full effort this season.

 

It's astounding to me how many vets on this team are doing nothing, and look completely disinterested in how the team is playing.

Agree. Im not letting Shakir off the hook either.  He just got paid big and has practically disappeared.  Why are we paying him 15mil a year? And there are people on this board that hated the idea of picking Mcconkey because he " would take away from Shakirs snaps".

Edited 1 hour ago by jaybeezee

[Einstein]

41 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

maybe its just me but I didn't get the sense that anyone said coleman isn't trying.  I am not even sure where this is coming from other than him being the fan whipping boy at the moment.

 

The head coach said it’s “fair to ask” whether Coleman is trying on the field. That’s pretty damning. Nothing to do with being a whipping boy.

[DrDawkinstein]

36 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

maybe its just me but I didn't get the sense that anyone said coleman isn't trying.  I am not even sure where this is coming from other than him being the fan whipping boy at the moment.

 

I mean, there are plenty of posts all over the socials showing him half-assing it down the field. So it's pretty much undeniable.

 

Then McD didnt stick up for him at all, and instead said it's "fair to ask". That is about as under-the-bus as it gets with McD.

 

Josh's dead pan response of "he got one", paired with all the film of Josh not even looking his way when he was in single man coverage is about as bad as it gets out of our QB as well.

[CincyBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The 3 different documented instances of Josh's support for Coleman provided by other posters in this topic looks multiple times more convincing than your 6 paragraph hypothetical scenario of what you'd like to believe actually happened.

 

Did you actually read those sources?  My point has been that Allen did not push Bean to draft Coleman.  At most Allen approved of the decision and then welcomed Coleman to the Bills.  There is nothing in those sources indicating anything more then this.  

[mjt328]

24 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Agree. Im not letting Shakir off the hook either.  He just got paid big and has practically disappeared.  Why are we paying him 15mil a year? And there are people on this board that hated the idea of picking Mcconkey because he " would take away from Shakirs snaps".

 

To me, Shakir is a hard one to judge.  How can he do anything when he's not even running routes downfield?

 

My question is how players like Terrel Bernard and Taylor Rapp became huge liabilities.  Where has Greg Rousseau been all season?  What happened to Christian Benford and Taron Johnson?  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Did you actually read those sources?  My point has been that Allen did not push Bean to draft Coleman.  At most Allen approved of the decision and then welcomed Coleman to the Bills.  There is nothing in those sources indicating anything more then this.  

 

From what I can tell, Beane and staff narrowed it down to the few WRs they liked first and foremost, and then casually asked Allen for any input on who he may like or prefer.

[stlbills13]

Does it matter if Josh wanted/liked Coleman? He's bad

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Agree. Im not letting Shakir off the hook either.  He just got paid big and has practically disappeared.  Why are we paying him 15mil a year? And there are people on this board that hated the idea of picking Mcconkey because he " would take away from Shakirs snaps".

I think this is pretty fair to be honest. There's diminishing returns in replacing your best WR vs. addressing your weaker WRs. The issue is in retrospect, McConkey is undoubtedly an upgrade and that's better than what we've gotten from Coleman, and also, McConkey probably would have fared fine as our Z.

 

My issue with Shakir is he's never been particularly good at separating against man coverage, and doing that from the slot is the easiest role in the offense so if he struggles with that, it makes things more difficult for everyone. Great YAC dude though and has generally done a good job of finding holes in zones.

Edited 1 hour ago by DCOrange

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Did you actually read those sources?  My point has been that Allen did not push Bean to draft Coleman.  At most Allen approved of the decision and then welcomed Coleman to the Bills.  There is nothing in those sources indicating anything more then this.  

 

How do you know with certainty how much Allen was or wasn't involved?  You speak as in you were at the meetings.

[DCOrange]

This being the week everyone seems to have had their last straw with Coleman is just really odd to me. He hasn't developed as much as people wanted and I think the front office did him no favors just throwing him out there as our X with zero competition for snaps, but this was probably the best game of his career so far. If Josh had just gotten the ball to him, we probably win that game and are celebrating a breakout performance from Coleman. It's not even an exaggeration to say a normal Josh performance probably results in Coleman having over 150 yards and at least 3 TDs this past week. Instead, Josh continued to struggle with his ball placement and continued to just be out of sync, missing reads, etc., and Coleman's performance was wasted.

 

It's fair to argue that having a big game against a terrible secondary still isn't impressive, but we've been begging for someone to threaten the defense down the field all year and Coleman was able to beat Miami deep several times and Josh just couldn't make the throws for whatever reason.

[Gunsgoodtime]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How do you know with certainty how much Allen was or wasn't involved?  You speak as in you were at the meetings.

These people are the like lamestream media, take bits and pieces of video or a story, cut and edit the pieces they want to fit their agenda

[CincyBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Though he's far from the biggest problem with the Bills, let's not pretend that Josh is playing well this year.

 

I don't have to pretend that Allen is playing well because the evidence overwhelmingly confirms that he's playing well.

 

Passing:  70.3% completion rate; 2139 yards; 15 TD's & 5 INT's and a QB rating of 105.7

 

Rushing:  311 yards; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

 

Total Offensive Output:  2450 yards; 22 TD's & 7 TO's.  He's on pace here for a season with 4626 total yards; 41 TD's & 13 TO's.

 

What Allen isn't doing is playing at an MVP level.  He's not at an A+ for the season he's instead fluctuating between a B+/A-.

 

 

[Just in Atlanta]

17 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

So I saw a highlight from yesterday, Allen completed a quick out to someone for a short gain. I remember watching Coleman and wondering if it's normal for a nonplay-side WR to just jog through a route. 
 

I wish I could remember the details, it was a "team highlight" but his effort stood out. 

So what he’s a bit slow.

 

PS He was running full speed. 

[colin]

Coleman sucks and looks like he's dogging it, but we saw this from diggs, wrs want the ball and they want to be important.  The whole o right now is set up for wrs not to be important.  I'm sure keon thinks that sucks, and that he doesn't get good opportunities.  He had a couple bad attempts vs Miami, but also was thrown a couple bad balls as well, so in his mind it's a wash.  

 

I think it's clear the players don't have a lot of confidence in what the coaches are doing, at least on offense.

[CirclnWagons]

Not making excuses for Coleman or shakir but not many wr1s getting fired up for 3 yd outs these days. Brady acts like Allen doesn’t have the strongest arm in the league and tries to run the old Roethlisberger dink and dunk offense for a yard and a half at a time. You have to take a few deep shots a game if for nothing else, it keeps the defense honest. Doesn’t excuse Coleman’s poor effort though  

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How do you know with certainty how much Allen was or wasn't involved?  You speak as in you were at the meetings.

You're right I wasn't there and I don't know what was said & done.  All I can go on is common sense and what the circumstantial evidence suggests.   And some of that evidence are the "sources" everyone keeps pointing to in which none provide details that support the idea that Allen PUSHED BEAN TO DRAFT Coleman.  Everything that I've seen in those sources and in Allen's general behavior around drafting Coleman was that he was excited at the potential Coleman's style of play brought to the table and he was looking forward to playing with them.  That is a far cry from being intimately involved in the Bills declension to draft Coleman.

 

But hey believe what you want.  I'll believe that Allen welcomed Coleman in and was excited that this athletic, big bodied WR might become an important piece of the passing game.  Why some claim that Allen was heavily involved in selecting Coleman, implying that Allen nixed alternative draft scenarios like taking McConkey or aggressive moving up in the draft to grab one of the stud WR's is beyond me.  I have yet to see one credible piece of evidence to support this.