Daboll Fired

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You do realize you don't have to pick an OC with ugly nasty warts, right?

No, they all have warts. Every single one of them. If you dont realize that, then you aren't watching enough football of other teams. 

Daboll is a top end OC. 

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You do realize you don't have to pick an OC with ugly nasty warts, right? I hope you don't choose women like you would an OC. 

 

 

Pretty much every OC has flaws and bad play calls.

 

I don't think any fan base actually likes their OC. Even the chiefs are sick of Andy lol.

 

Daboll is a proven good play caller in this league who has a great relationship with Josh. I would rather him than someone like Davis Webb who has no experience calling plays

[finn]

A team that loses to the below-average teams and beats the above-average teams, what is up with that? The pattern when they win is the team getting fired up; when they lose, I see a defense that allows big runs but plays well enough for the offense to pull it out (maybe because McDermott shoves Babich aside), and an offense that gets points and yards but fails in the clutch because of the killer combination of injuries, mediocre receivers, and a poor offensive coordinator. 

 

If this take is correct, I have hope! If the defensive pattern continues, the injuries abate (both reasonable hopes), and--the big one--McDermott realizes this team simply will not make it without a course adjustment. He did it once before. Can he do it again?  

[finn]

11 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

There's many people here blame McD for the rift between him and Daboll, keep hearing it's McD's ego.  There may be legit things you can blame McD for, but this isn't one of them.  I read multiple stories about his time in NY and this guy is a hot mess and seems to have anger management issues and can't get along with anybody.  Seems like he can't handle pressure well.  When the team is winning he's fine, but when things go bad, he loses it. 

It's not Daboll or bust, of course. For example, I'd look at Thomas Brown, passing-game coordinator of the Patriots, who (google tells me) is drawing a lot of interest. Would be great to stick it to the Pats, too. 

 

Your choice, Sean: change OC's now or after the season. One brings a chance to go all the way this year, the other gives us a higher draft pick. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

No, they all have warts. Every single one of them. If you dont realize that, then you aren't watching enough football of other teams. 

Daboll is a top end OC. 

Lmao. No he is not. He had a few great years with Allen and Diggs. Literally every other season he's been an OC he was bottom end. 

 

If you don't realize that, then you aren't watching enough football of other teams 

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Pretty much every OC has flaws and bad play calls.

 

I don't think any fan base actually likes their OC. Even the chiefs are sick of Andy lol.

 

Daboll is a proven good play caller in this league who has a great relationship with Josh. I would rather him than someone like Davis Webb who has no experience calling plays

I have always been on team "experienced play caller" I like guys that have done the job before. My thinking may have changed a bit since Thursday night. That defense that got 28 pressures and 8 sacks? Being run by a first time play caller. It definitely shows having a guy that is right for the job is more important as having a guy that's done the job before.

 

Daboll is absolutely not a good play caller. He showed that here when he would abandon the run early. He showed that in NY when he took play calling over from Kafka last year that he hasn't learned anything. 

 

He's an OC that has been terrible throughout his career except for a very small blip when he had Allen and Diggs. He's Freddie Kitchens without the folksy charm. 

[Negan]

Daboll hired is the next headline I'm looking forward to reading.

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I have always been on team "experienced play caller" I like guys that have done the job before. My thinking may have changed a bit since Thursday night. That defense that got 28 pressures and 8 sacks? Being run by a first time play caller. It definitely shows having a guy that is right for the job is more important as having a guy that's done the job before.

 

Daboll is absolutely not a good play caller. He showed that here when he would abandon the run early. He showed that in NY when he took play calling over from Kafka last year that he hasn't learned anything. 

 

He's an OC that has been terrible throughout his career except for a very small blip when he had Allen and Diggs. He's Freddie Kitchens without the folksy charm. 

That's a bit harsh IMO. 
 

You don't get a head coaching job by being a poor play caller. He certainly didn't get it from being a "calm" leader lol.

 

Peak Bills offence in the McDermott era will always be 2021 playoffs when Daboll was calling plays.

Running the ball can be so overrated at times. Just score points.
 

Does anyone actually care that the Bills didn't run the ball a lot when they had the perfect game against New England in the playoffs, and then 36 points in the 13 seconds game ?

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's a bit harsh IMO. 
 

You don't get a head coaching job by being a poor play caller. He certainly didn't get it from being a "calm" leader lol.

 

Peak Bills offence in the McDermott era will always be 2021 playoffs when Daboll was calling plays.

Running the ball can be so overrated at times. Just score points.
 

Does anyone actually care that the Bills didn't run the ball a lot when they had the perfect game against New England in the playoffs, and then 36 points in the 13 seconds game ?

 

 

Is it overrated when your biggest offensive threat this year has been your superstar running back? 

 

You really think Daboll got hired as the Giants HC because he was a great play caller? Please. That was Schoen trying to bring in a coach he knows. Recreate the Bills method. And there are plenty of guys that have won a HC job being not the best play caller or someone who has ever called plays. Look at Mike McDaniel. 

 

If you want to see how great an offensive mind Brian Daboll is, look at his time with the Giants in the window he called the plays. Look at his years in the league with any other team he's been on. I cannot wait til he's hired someplace else and people see him fail there too. Daboll's success is a product of Josh Allen. 

[Einstein]

46 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Literally every other season he's been an OC he was bottom end.

 

Pretty disingenuous of you to hold against him years where he had Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and Matt Cassel at QB.

 

Because those were LITERALLY his QB’s as an OC outside of Buffalo. 

 

The VERY FIRST time he was given a good QB (Allen), he produced a top offense.

[QB Bills]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Is it overrated when your biggest offensive threat this year has been your superstar running back? 

 

You really think Daboll got hired as the Giants HC because he was a great play caller? Please. That was Schoen trying to bring in a coach he knows. Recreate the Bills method. And there are plenty of guys that have won a HC job being not the best play caller or someone who has ever called plays. Look at Mike McDaniel. 

 

If you want to see how great an offensive mind Brian Daboll is, look at his time with the Giants in the window he called the plays. Look at his years in the league with any other team he's been on. I cannot wait til he's hired someplace else and people see him fail there too. Daboll's success is a product of Josh Allen. 

You're not wrong. But it also might not be wrong that he'd be an upgrade on Brady. 

 

Unfortunately beggars can't be choosers at this point.

[Pecker]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Pretty disingenuous of you to hold against him years where he had Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and Matt Cassel at QB.

 

Because those were LITERALLY his QB’s as an OC outside of Buffalo. 

 

The VERY FIRST time he was given a good QB (Allen), he produced a top offense.

Was Daboll given a great qb? Or did he have to turn Allen into a great qb? Allen wasn’t some sure fire stud right out of college 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I haven't forgotten. 

This isn't an issue of people thinking "Daboll is perfect". This is "Daboll has his warts, but his warts are WAY less harmful than Brady's warts".

So the bar is set at whoever has fewer warts?  Gross.

[tigerthelion]

I know that most of us want an upgrade on Brady but I don't see Daboll as being that guy.  

[RochesterLifer]

27 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Pretty disingenuous of you to hold against him years where he had Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and Matt Cassel at QB.

 

Because those were LITERALLY his QB’s as an OC outside of Buffalo. 

 

The VERY FIRST time he was given a good QB (Allen), he produced a top offense.

I'm guessing you are purposely ignoring his Daniel Jones failure? That was a franchise-changing flop on his part. 🤔 Why would you not mention that?

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:

I'm guessing you are purposely ignoring his Daniel Jones failure?

 

Im guessing you can’t read too well. 

 

The person I quoted was talking about his time as an OC (not a head coach), and I responded with the QB’s he had as an OC. 

 

And no, I DONT think Daniel Jones is a good QB. He did not draft Daniel and is not responsible for Daniel’s bad play as a result of him being a ho-hum talent.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Einstein

[BillsFan130]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Is it overrated when your biggest offensive threat this year has been your superstar running back? 

 

You really think Daboll got hired as the Giants HC because he was a great play caller? Please. That was Schoen trying to bring in a coach he knows. Recreate the Bills method. And there are plenty of guys that have won a HC job being not the best play caller or someone who has ever called plays. Look at Mike McDaniel. 

 

If you want to see how great an offensive mind Brian Daboll is, look at his time with the Giants in the window he called the plays. Look at his years in the league with any other team he's been on. I cannot wait til he's hired someplace else and people see him fail there too. Daboll's success is a product of Josh Allen. 

Yes it is overrated cause that's how we built the offence lol. Look at the passing game struggles we have now because we revolved our offence around a RB.

 

It's overrated to have "balance". Just Score points... Andy Reid one of the best play callers in nfl history has historically been "bad" at abandoning the run.

 

Yes I do. He was literally coming off back to back playoff games where he took Spags and Belichick to school. What other coach can ever say that? Unless you're not going to give him any credit for that.

 

Mike McDaniel is the one exception lol... What other offensive coaches get hired when they weren't a good play caller beforehand? Serious question . 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFan130

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, finn said:

It's not Daboll or bust, of course. For example, I'd look at Thomas Brown, passing-game coordinator of the Patriots, who (google tells me) is drawing a lot of interest. Would be great to stick it to the Pats, too. 

 

Your choice, Sean: change OC's now or after the season. One brings a chance to go all the way this year, the other gives us a higher draft pick. 

 

OK, but you're not getting Brown in mid season.  Even after the season, would be a debate whether Pats need to give permission as that may be considered a lateral move.  But certainly at YE, there are many more options and have all off season to implement things.

 

The last time it was easy to fire Dorsey mid season as had a good backup coach on staff with a decent amount of play calling experience, don't think we have anyone like that currently.  So even if you find someone presently not employed, other than a guy like Daboll who has a fair amount of familiarity with the Bills offense, doubtful anyone would improve things much.  It would be more step backwards, may as well tell Allen to call his own plays.  And Daboll is a mess who will be interesting a YE what jobs he's even offered after everything that happened in NY.

[Dr.Sack]

7 hours ago, Sojourner said:

Cratered fast? The Giants are similar to the Bills in a sense. Massive resources allocated to a defense that struggles to get the job done and puts the offense in a hole. 
 

On top of that they had a game changing WR lost for the season, injuries to their OL, a RB who was a problem lost to a broken foot and a QB who looks to show real potential seemingly unwilling to protect himself once he’s already picked up the yards needed to move the chains. 
 

Not advocating to bring Dab back but I think he got the wrong end of the deal there. Especially when the guy making the moves and deals is still there in Beane Jr. 

the fact he still got a pass after letting Saquon walk to a division rival after the guy was more than willing to stay in a seemingly inept and stagnant team says enough. 

I understand the sentiment and Dab should shoulder some of the blame but putting all of it on him is a bit unjust. 

He wore out his welcome and Giants ownership didn’t want him to destroy Dart running QB designed runs after Skat went down to save his job. Then there’s the whole Schoen having to listen to the radio headset and childish tamper tantrums. 

[finn]

4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

OK, but you're not getting Brown in mid season.  Even after the season, would be a debate whether Pats need to give permission as that may be considered a lateral move.  But certainly at YE, there are many more options and have all off season to implement things.

 

The last time it was easy to fire Dorsey mid season as had a good backup coach on staff with a decent amount of play calling experience, don't think we have anyone like that currently.  So even if you find someone presently not employed, other than a guy like Daboll who has a fair amount of familiarity with the Bills offense, doubtful anyone would improve things much.  It would be more step backwards, may as well tell Allen to call his own plays.  And Daboll is a mess who will be interesting a YE what jobs he's even offered after everything that happened in NY.

Kromer was OC of the Bears and did very well before Cutler melted down.