This is how you build from within..

[Yobogoya!]

Instead of bringing in proven coordinators who might have their own concepts they want to run, you promote:

 - Ken Dorsey (fired after 1.5 seasons, fired against the next year by his next team)

 - Joe Brady (biggest thing going for him is he wasn't Ken Dorsey. 2nd biggest thing is he'll build the offense McD wants)

 - Bobby Babich (another puppet hire- who may or may not even perform his own duties right now)

 

Then you big contracts to:

 - T. Bernard (who alternates between injured and a liability)

 - M. Milano (same as Bernard, only he'll count 12mil dead cap next year to not play for us)

 - D. Knox (who you replaced on the depth chart right after signing, and is now a 8 digit/yr blocker TE)

 - G. Rousseau (who is earning a top-10 edge def contract but has never been mistaken for a top-10 player)

 - T. Johnson (was great during his first extension- now is mercifully out of the lineup, being outplayed by his backup)

 - C. Benford (deserved a raise as CB1, but extended after several injuries and is now a major question mark less than 1 season after signing for top-15 $)

 - K. Shakir (solid player, earned a contract but is making 13mil aav to be a role player and can't be the focal point of our passing attack)

 - E. Oliver (who might be a force if he could stay on the field and find some semblance of consistency)

 

And most of these guys have been good players, some have flashed to greatness- but there's an awful lot of money tied up in those names that you'd have to feel better about if it was going to a proven, ELITE difference maker (of which we have only Josh Allen and James Cook...)

 

I remember after the 2023 season it seemed like we were poised for a rebuild year- we were OVER the cap heading into the off-season, injuries had piled up, we had fired our OC mid-season and McDermott hadn't chosen a DC yet. Diggs was erratic and eventually bullied our front office into moving on from him, requiring us to absorb a MASSIVE $30mil cap hit for the year. Had no choice but to roster a (seemingly) washed Von Miller for the year due to the big cap hit. 

 

We ended up over-achieving last year, and made the AFCC game despite injuries and lack of top shelf talent and I think that's caused us to double and even triple down on the "process" instead of going full reset, dumping bad contracts, finding proven coordinators and trying to poise ourselves to better compete before Josh Allen turns 30 (not gonna happen now).

 

People were looking for a big move at the deadline this year, but the fact is we've spent too much money right up tot he cap AGAIN this year and the majority of our home-grown contracts aren't paying the dividends we need.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Impressive.

 

Everything you just said outside the last 2 paragraphs is wrong. 

Edited 2 hours ago by TheyCallMeAndy

[uticaclub]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Impressive.

 

Everything you just said is wrong. 

What?

[Johnnycage46]

3 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Instead of bringing in proven coordinators who might have their own concepts they want to run, you promote:

 - Ken Dorsey (fired after 1.5 seasons, fired against the next year by his next team)

 - Joe Brady (biggest thing going for him is he wasn't Ken Dorsey. 2nd biggest thing is he'll build the offense McD wants)

 - Bobby Babich (another puppet hire- who may or may not even perform his own duties right now)

 

Then you big contracts to:

 - T. Bernard (who alternates between injured and a liability)

 - M. Milano (same as Bernard, only he'll count 12mil dead cap next year to not play for us)

 - D. Knox (who you replaced on the depth chart right after signing, and is now a 8 digit/yr blocker TE)

 - G. Rousseau (who is earning a top-10 edge def contract but has never been mistaken for a top-10 player)

 - T. Johnson (was great during his first extension- now is mercifully out of the lineup, being outplayed by his backup)

 - C. Benford (deserved a raise as CB1, but extended after several injuries and is now a major question mark less than 1 season after signing for top-15 $)

 - K. Shakir (solid player, earned a contract but is making 13mil aav to be a role player and can't be the focal point of our passing attack)

 - E. Oliver (who might be a force if he could stay on the field and find some semblance of consistency)

 

And most of these guys have been good players, some have flashed to greatness- but there's an awful lot of money tied up in those names that you'd have to feel better about if it was going to a proven, ELITE difference maker (of which we have only Josh Allen and James Cook...)

 

I remember after the 2023 season it seemed like we were poised for a rebuild year- we were OVER the cap heading into the off-season, injuries had piled up, we had fired our OC mid-season and McDermott hadn't chosen a DC yet. Diggs was erratic and eventually bullied our front office into moving on from him, requiring us to absorb a MASSIVE $30mil cap hit for the year. Had no choice but to roster a (seemingly) washed Von Miller for the year due to the big cap hit. 

 

We ended up over-achieving last year, and made the AFCC game despite injuries and lack of top shelf talent and I think that's caused us to double and even triple down on the "process" instead of going full reset, dumping bad contracts, finding proven coordinators and trying to poise ourselves to better compete before Josh Allen turns 30 (not gonna happen now).

 

People were looking for a big move at the deadline this year, but the fact is we've spent too much money right up tot he cap AGAIN this year and the majority of our home-grown contracts aren't paying the dividends we need.

 

Well said. The whole draft, develop and resign thing is only a good idea if you resign guys that actually deserve the contract. Beane seems to have resigned all of these drafted players as a way to validate his draft picks (see, they were good draft picks, because they earned a new contract). Beane has completely destroyed this roster.

[DrDawkinstein]

Brady was technically an outsider. He just happened to be on staff to promote. But wouldve been the top name to go get at the time.

 

Point stands on Dorsey and Babich tho. They are/were both McDermott home-grown from scratch coaching assistants that McD mentored and groomed for years to get them ready to be Coordinators. Babich especially. Shows how good he is at that...

[dorquemada]

8 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 - K. Shakir (solid player, earned a contract but is making 13mil aav to be a role player and can't be the focal point of our passing attack)

 

 

 

Is there an NFL rule that Shakir isn't allowed to run a slant route?  The focal point of our passing attack would ideally be downfield from the line of scrimmage

[Yobogoya!]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Brady was technically an outsider. He just happened to be on staff to promote. But wouldve been the top name to go get at the time.

 

Point stands on Dorsey and Babich tho. They are/were both McDermott home-grown from scratch coaching assistants that McD mentored and groomed for years to get them ready to be Coordinators. Babich especially. Shows how good he is at that...

True that’s a fair call that Brady actually had some experience beforehand, but he’s executing an offense that looks like McDermott’s ideal concept so I think he’s “process” enough to consider as part of this train of thought. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Yobogoya! said:

True that’s a fair call that Brady actually had some experience beforehand, but he’s executing an offense that looks like McDermott’s ideal concept so I think he’s “process” enough to consider as part of this train of thought. 

 

At this point, yes. When he took over the reins from Dorsey he got to call more of what he wanted, and even to begin last year. But much like neutering Josh, McD has managed to neuter Brady too so he fits his conservative, complementary philosophy (aka "dont expose my defense")

 

Bunch of Eunuchs running this show.

[nuklz2594]

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Is there an NFL rule that Shakir isn't allowed to run a slant route?  The focal point of our passing attack would ideally be downfield from the line of scrimmage

No, it's a Brady / McDermott rule.  N - S, E - W, they can grasp.  Send a reciever over a Northwest route, and they're stymied. 🤔

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Ken Dorsey was a proven legit QB coach who worked with Allen for a few seasons. How was he the wrong hire? I get it didn't work out, but in no way was there obvious warning signs.

 

Joe Brady was a bit different. BIG TIME college experience, some OC experience. Again, what huge signs were there that Brady would be a bad hire? The fact he'd been fired before? That will eliminate a large amount of prospects from the pool. 
 

Bobby Babs - The saying around here was "everything he touches turns to gold." Remember? Everyone loved that hire after he had a multiple, legitimate outstanding seasons as a positional coach. Learn the ropes under McD, who is a great defensive coach. 
 

Ya'll are acting like these are 3rd rate hires from the Cleveland Browns. 
 

I would love for anyone, someone, to find a quote from McD where he says he wants to be a run first, conservative passing game. Especially considering 2 of his last 3 OCs were highly aggressive in the passing game. 
 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

And it will likely continue. 

 

If for any reason Joe Brady is out as OC after this year, the Bills will conduct a farce interview process to comply with Rooney Rules and hire from within. My guess is it would be Ronald Curry. But that's just a guess on my part. 

 

If they move on from Babich, I see McDermott taking over permanently again. I don't think there's a guy on staff that would be seriously considered. 

[thenorthremembers]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And it will likely continue. 

 

If for any reason Joe Brady is out as OC after this year, the Bills will conduct a farce interview process to comply with Rooney Rules and hire from within. My guess is it would be Ronald Curry. But that's just a guess on my part. 

 

If they move on from Babich, I see McDermott taking over permanently again. I don't think there's a guy on staff that would be seriously considered. 

 

Aaron Kromer.  McDermott has been very vocal about giving credit to Kromer in the media. 

[dorquemada]

8 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

No, it's a Brady / McDermott rule.  N - S, E - W, they can grasp.  Send a reciever over a Northwest route, and they're stymied. 🤔

 

Cardinal directions only!   None of this direction mixing in this family!

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Aaron Kromer.  McDermott has been very vocal about giving credit to Kromer in the media. 

Kromer should be interim HC starting this week. That gives Pegula and his brain trust time to get the best candidates in and honestly Kromer will do just as good if not better this year as the HC

[The Jokeman]

25 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Brady was technically an outsider. He just happened to be on staff to promote. But wouldve been the top name to go get at the time.

 

Point stands on Dorsey and Babich tho. They are/were both McDermott home-grown from scratch coaching assistants that McD mentored and groomed for years to get them ready to be Coordinators. Babich especially. Shows how good he is at that...

So what would happen if we went out of the team and hired Dennis Allen who's doing a "stellar" job over there in Chicago? or what about we brought in Arthur Smith who's running a "great" offense in Pittsburgh? 

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Aaron Kromer.  McDermott has been very vocal about giving credit to Kromer in the media. 

Possibly. But they did interview Curry for the OC spot before hiring Brady and bringing him on staff at a lower position. He's considered a "fast riser".

 

Kromer is good at what he does and I do think they give him an interview. 

[Yobogoya!]

36 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Impressive.

 

Everything you just said outside the last 2 paragraphs is wrong. 

 

Thanks for the insight! 

 

I'll now retreat to my bedroom under the stairs to reevaluate not only my outlook on football, but life itself. 

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Ken Dorsey was a proven legit QB coach who worked with Allen for a few seasons. How was he the wrong hire? I get it didn't work out, but in no way was there obvious warning signs.

 

Joe Brady was a bit different. BIG TIME college experience, some OC experience. Again, what huge signs were there that Brady would be a bad hire? The fact he'd been fired before? That will eliminate a large amount of prospects from the pool. 
 

Bobby Babs - The saying around here was "everything he touches turns to gold." Remember? Everyone loved that hire after he had a multiple, legitimate outstanding seasons as a positional coach. Learn the ropes under McD, who is a great defensive coach. 
 

Ya'll are acting like these are 3rd rate hires from the Cleveland Browns. 
 

I would love for anyone, someone, to find a quote from McD where he says he wants to be a run first, conservative passing game. Especially considering 2 of his last 3 OCs were highly aggressive in the passing game. 
 

 

 

Dorsey was NOT a proven anything. He was FIRED from QB coach in Carolina and sat home without a job for 2 years before McD brought him into Buffalo. He was a huge question mark and had a short leash when he managed to land the OC job.

 

Any positive stuff on Babich was just team PR on hyping up McD's protege.

 

They were both "first timers" in their jobs while proven and known quantities were available. But McD cant handle strong, proven coordinators (as proven by how both Dabol and Frazier ended up).

 

As for the McD quote, it doesnt take much to dig up plenty of interviews where he talks about it. He doesnt exactly quote "run first, conservative passing game", but he absolutely alludes to it by talking about the run game, being balanced, etc, etc.

[PayDaBill$]

It’s pretty obvious we’re struggling with an offensive scheme / identity and given Dab’s butting heads with McD, Dorsey falling on a sword and the HS offense we’re running now I’m guessing McD has his finger on the pulse of mediocrity when it comes to a creative offense.

 

The roster mismanagement is an entire different problem.

I’m not sure how we fix this mess, but looking at Josh this season I see a guy who looks frustrated and not all that happy.  He doesn’t look like the same player to me as far as having that spark!

 

Edited 1 hour ago by PayDaBill$