Is it the receivers or Brady

[Blackbeard]

There is a chain reaction occurring:  
1. Receivers aren’t getting open for whatever reason. 
2. Allen holds ball longer because of it. 
3. Plays lasting longer and greater potential for injury.  How many sacks this year??
4.  Increase in interceptions occur. 
5.  Opposing defense now just needs to shut down your run, which is easier now that you aren’t efficient in the pass game. 
 

this is the recipe to beat the Bills and it’s going to get Allen killed back there. 

Edited Monday at 10:53 AM by Blackbeard

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Both are issues.

 

I think lack of WR talent is the bigger issue, but Brady is below avg in pass scheming as well.

 

Both guys (Beane and Brady) should be let go after the season.  Unfortunately, we wasted a season on the hopes/dreams of Kincaid, Palmer, Keon, Shakir, and Samuel.

 

Thats a Beane issue --- but Brady has proven he can't do much with low level talent, which is a concern. 

 I usually read these posts early in the morning so you beat me to it.  Both Brady is not scheming them open, and the crop of current WR’s minus Shakir are terrible.  Beane should have worked harder on a trade before the deadline.

[Since1981]

everybody starving! 
2019: #21 Brown 1,060 yds 

2020: #1 (1,535 yards). Diggs

2021: #8 (1,225 yards). Diggs

2022: #5 (1,429 yards). Diggs

2023: #13 (1,183 yards). Diggs

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Did you see Pittsburgh's WR last night? Have you seen what the Jets are doing? To call our WR the NFL's worst is negligence.

I have and both those teams have better receivers than the bills and frankly it's not close in my opinion 

 

Those teams issues are more the fact their QB should be out of the league kind of issues

[rajinka]

Moore had 61 and 59 receptions with the Cleveland Browns dumpster fire qb situation.  He's on pace for 17 here.  Samuel had 63 with sam howell as qb. 5 this year.  Palmer is below his career avgs. These guys obviously could get open in the past with worse qbs. 

[oldmanfan]

Brady is like Coach Boone being schooled by Ed Henry.  Ed Henry was way ahead of Boons, so he had to switch it up and give him something different.  Going into the game, the offense led the league in yards per game.  But Miami was way ahead of Brady last night and he did nothing to switch it up.  
 

Let’s see the 4+1 formation from last year.  Let’s put Coleman in motion to try and free him up?  Quick slants?  Throws to RBs?  Pick plays?  There’s a lot that could be done.

[Nihilarian]

If this lopsided loss to Miami keeps McDaniel's as their HC then it was worth it

[T master]

16 hours ago, BuffBills51 said:

Simple question. Is it Brady’s scheme or the receivers that can’t get open? Watching other teams and you see receivers consistently schemed open. Josh has to run around like a chicken with his head cut off to make a play. 

Not really sure ! I've seen in recent replays from games that there are WR's open down field but Josh ain't seeing them or wants to go for the big one and then leaves the pocket to make a better results and nothing becomes of it so I think a lot falls on both of them ! 

 

They have 3 very capable TE's, a couple of very fast WR's that could be used to take the top off the D, & a stable of RB's that are more than capable of moving the chains and scoring points, & a O line that has been pretty dam good at opening holes for those backs and allowing Josh the time he needs to make plays from the pocket .

 

I hope that coaches like Kromer doesn't decide to jump ship he's 1 of if not the best in the game and has made a difference, Hell give him the HC ing position he's paid his dues and knows the game but has never been in that position so maybe if it is time for a change there is a guy that could keep some semblance of stability and knows the players that could have some really good ideas as to how to move forward with the weapons he has and he's a offensive guy .

[Kirby Jackson]

Which of these is better?

 

a) 111 receptions (159 targets), 1,280 yards, 7 TDs, 11.53 YPC

 

b) 63 receptions (93 targets), 1,041 yards, 5 TDs, 16.52 YPC

[Murdox]

14 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

You like what the Steelers showing at WR? 

 

The Steelers have a different problem.  Metcalf is one of the best receivers in the NFL, and the Chargers had one safety always drifting to Metcalf's side the entire game.  Couple that with aged Rodgers not being able to deal with (e.g., elude) the extra pressure last night, and a few drops by the other receivers and you have problems.  Rodgers also missed quite a few throws last night. 

 

But, we don't have anyone close to Metcalf's level on our squad.  And, let's be realistic here, Coleman would be nothing more than a backup on the Steelers.

Edited Monday at 05:59 PM by Murdox

[gobills404]

Shakir has the lowest aDOT (4.2 yards) amongst 111 qualifying WRs in the league. $53M to be a gadget player.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2025/receiving_advanced.htm

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by gobills404

[Kelly to Allen]

It's combination of the back 7 sitting on routes in the intermediate area and Allen not consistently taking the easy underneath stuff. 

 

Allen was disciplined vs kc and it was beautiful 

 

He wasn't vs Miami, add turnovers and it got ugly

 

Regardless the wrs desperately need true deep threat archetypes this off-season.

 

I still think it will improve a bit tho with Palmer/ Davis & Hardman 

 

KC went thru this exact situation in 23 & 24

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

It's combination of the back 7 sitting on routes in the intermediate area and Allen not consistently taking the easy underneath stuff. 

 

Allen was disciplined vs kc and it was beautiful 

 

He wasn't vs Miami, add turnovers and it got ugly

 

Regardless the wrs desperately need true deep threat archetypes this off-season.

 

I still think it will improve a bit tho with Palmer/ Davis & Hardman 

 

KC went thru this exact situation in 23 & 24

Josh had 23 passes 10 yards or less a bulk of those were 5 yards to behind the los. Thats more than half his passes.
 

He isn’t Tom Brady and he is never going to be. It is not what makes Allen special. I can’t believe how many people want to turn him into something he isn’t instead of embracing what has made him one of the best QBs in the league over the last several years. 
 

Throwing 3 yard passes all game every game has already shown it’s a flawed strategy. For that you need receivers that open early, a quick release precision QB, and receivers that excell at YAC. We have one of those but easy to take out one player. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Scott7975

[machine gun kelly]

On 11/10/2025 at 7:11 AM, oldmanfan said:

Brady is like Coach Boone being schooled by Ed Henry.  Ed Henry was way ahead of Boons, so he had to switch it up and give him something different.  Going into the game, the offense led the league in yards per game.  But Miami was way ahead of Brady last night and he did nothing to switch it up.  
 

Let’s see the 4+1 formation from last year.  Let’s put Coleman in motion to try and free him up?  Quick slants?  Throws to RBs?  Pick plays?  There’s a lot that could be done.

Good analogy as I can’t believe any Bills fan wouldn’t know the Remember the Titans reference.