This regime is bad at picking offensive coordinators

[Ray Finkel]

5 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

To become a head coach…

He wasn’t coming back if he didn’t get head coaching position 

[WeckMonster]

The margin for error is so slim with a Defensive head coach. You either have a weak OC or you have a strong OC that’s moving on and you have to roll the dice hiring a new one. You either stink or you lack continuity.

 

The degree of difficulty for Allen’s career vs Mahomes playing his entire career for maybe the GOAT play caller is night and day.

 

Regardless, this offense is too predictable (Kincaid = pass, Gilliam behind right G = counter left, etc) with too many wasted plays (prayers to Coleman, flares to Shakir, rattled by blitzes and stunts).  Gotta make the D defend more than 8 yards. More Samuel and Moore, less Coleman and Shavers.

[BobbyC81]

It seems this offensive offense is easy to game plan for, when one of the worst defenses this season shuts them out for the first half and gives up only 13 points for the game.  Yet it is so complex that it takes a while for the players to grasp it.

 

Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

[RkFast]

When I hear people like Sal float names like Davis Webb I want to pull my hair out. You know that name is out there primarily for one reason. Local guy and had a job at OBD once. I cant, for the life of me, figure this team's obsession with young first time OCs and worse, why they cant look beyond Orchard Park for literally anything. Buffalo is a small city and TIGHT community...I get it. But this culture of "Buffalo or nobody....muh culture...muh system" thats currently running throughout the organization is really becoming a detriment. 

 

Ya know...theres always a lot of mockery for the "old dinosaur" coaches. How "washed" they are. And sometimes they do land in bad spots and look hapless. But how is Josh McDaniels looking right now? Todd Monken? Greg Roman? On the defensive side, Vic Fangio looked pretty good in Philly, didnt he? Robert Saleh. On and on.

 

Im not necessarily advocating for these specific coaches. They all have their flaws. But what they also have that the Bills coaching regime seems to disregard, especially on the offensive side of the ball, is experience and when given a good roster of talent, proven competence at their jobs. They have a body of work in the league, tons of experience and most important when given the horses they get the job done. Period.

 

Josh is going to be 30. This roster is going to turn over very very soon. Enough of the boy wonders. This team doesnt have any more years to waste to see if someone like Davis Webb works out. Get an OC who knows how to do the job coming in the door and has proven in this league that he knows what an NFL offense looks like.

Edited 7 hours ago by RkFast

[Lost]

9 minutes ago, RkFast said:

why they cant look beyond Orchard Park for literally anything.

 

Hey ya never know.  They might pull someone from Carolina 😂

[nuklz2594]

if browns move on from hc stefanski...he is what we need.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

16 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

Joe Brady stinks. I get that he’s got next to nothing to work with, but the personnel usage is absolutely baffling. How is Cook off the field in high pressure situations? Why are our receivers running routes next to each other? Where are the quick hitters? 
 

Out of the four OCs we’ve hired, three have been atrocious - Dennison, Dorsey and Brady. Ridiculous. 

Brady has nothing to work with. Only the leader in total TDs for the past 9 seasons and a top 3 runner 🤣

 

I get we aren’t on the level of the greatest show of turf, but this is BS. 

[CirclnWagons]

You could’ve left off the “at picking offensive coordinators” part

[Mr. WEO]

18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills were 1st in yards and 2nd in points (I think) entering today. They did that despite having the worst WRs in the league. Do you think people, especially on the outside, think he’s failing? Of course not. If I had to guess it is LSU.

 

I don't think they fell from 2 to 6th after one game.  The Bills are 2-5 since September and their avg dropped from 33.4 PPG to 25.6 over that 5 game stretch

 

Anyway, with the best RB in the NFL, the Bills lost to 2 of the worst run Defenses in the NFL (Miami and ATL)--Brady called a grand total of 30 run plays for Cook.  Is that what you do when you have "the worst WRs in the league?

 

 

You think "people on the outside" aren't saying "WTF is he doing?"

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mr. WEO

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I don't think they fell from 2 to 6th after one game.

 

Anyway, with the best RB in the NFL, the Bills lost to 2 of the worst run Defenses in the NFL (Miami and ATL)--Brady called a grand total of 30 run plays for Cook.  Is that what you do when you have "the worst WRs in the league?

 

 

You think "people on the outside" aren't saying "WTF is he doing?"

 

 

Once they a down a couple of scores, you can continue to run the ball. At some point you need quick scores to get back into the game. A heavy run offense only works if you can get a lead. If you have to play catch up this team is built to pass the ball 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Once they a down a couple of scores, you can continue to run the ball. At some point you need quick scores to get back into the game. A heavy run offense only works if you can get a lead. If you have to play catch up this team is built to pass the ball 

 

The ATL game was a 1 score game  half way through the 3rd Q....

Edited 3 hours ago by Mr. WEO

[ngbills]

Maybe next we try someone with experience. Dorsey and Brady experiments have been all over the place. Learning on the job has hurt this team. 

[boyst]

5 hours ago, RkFast said:

When I hear people like Sal float names like Davis Webb I want to pull my hair out. You know that name is out there primarily for one reason. Local guy and had a job at OBD once. I cant, for the life of me, figure this team's obsession with young first time OCs and worse, why they cant look beyond Orchard Park for literally anything. Buffalo is a small city and TIGHT community...I get it. But this culture of "Buffalo or nobody....muh culture...muh system" thats currently running throughout the organization is really becoming a detriment. 

 

Ya know...theres always a lot of mockery for the "old dinosaur" coaches. How "washed" they are. And sometimes they do land in bad spots and look hapless. But how is Josh McDaniels looking right now? Todd Monken? Greg Roman? On the defensive side, Vic Fangio looked pretty good in Philly, didnt he? Robert Saleh. On and on.

 

Im not necessarily advocating for these specific coaches. They all have their flaws. But what they also have that the Bills coaching regime seems to disregard, especially on the offensive side of the ball, is experience and when given a good roster of talent, proven competence at their jobs. They have a body of work in the league, tons of experience and most important when given the horses they get the job done. Period.

 

Josh is going to be 30. This roster is going to turn over very very soon. Enough of the boy wonders. This team doesnt have any more years to waste to see if someone like Davis Webb works out. Get an OC who knows how to do the job coming in the door and has proven in this league that he knows what an NFL offense looks like.

that Josh McDaniel skated so easily back to NE was amazing. that no one thought to try to get him anywhere - i wanted him here so bad.

 

if Mike McDaniel was not a complete douchenozzle i would like him here, too.

[Kirby Jackson]

59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I don't think they fell from 2 to 6th after one game.  The Bills are 2-5 since September and their avg dropped from 33.4 PPG to 25.6 over that 5 game stretch

 

Anyway, with the best RB in the NFL, the Bills lost to 2 of the worst run Defenses in the NFL (Miami and ATL)--Brady called a grand total of 30 run plays for Cook.  Is that what you do when you have "the worst WRs in the league?

 

 

You think "people on the outside" aren't saying "WTF is he doing?"

 

 

They were 3rd (1/2 point behind Detroit). Their 29.4 PPG trailed Indy and Detroit. They were first in yards per game. 
 

They lost because they got behind and couldn’t run. They went down 2 scores early in the second quarter of yesterday’s game and the Atlanta game. They clawed their way back in both times but couldn’t establish the run while trailing by multiple scores. The Atlanta game that you mentioned, became a 7 point game in the 3rd. The Bills pretty much had a 50/50 split between running and passing until it became a 2 score game again. The Bills had 3 drives down 7 that resulted in no points. 
 

I don’t know if you’re insinuating that Brady won’t be a HC in 2026. If that’s what you’re getting at, we strongly disagree. If we are asking if he’s done a great job this year, he has not. At the same time, they’ve piled up yards and points despite the receivers. Someone will certainly hire him as the head man. James Franklin is going to get another job!! 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They were 3rd (1/2 point behind Detroit). Their 29.4 PPG trailed Indy and Detroit. They were first in yards per game. 
 

They lost because they got behind and couldn’t run. They went down 2 scores early in the second quarter of yesterday’s game and the Atlanta game. They clawed their way back in both times but couldn’t establish the run while trailing by multiple scores. The Atlanta game that you mentioned, became a 7 point game in the 3rd. The Bills pretty much had a 50/50 split between running and passing until it became a 2 score game again. The Bills had 3 drives down 7 that resulted in no points. 
 

I don’t know if you’re insinuating that Brady won’t be a HC in 2026. If that’s what you’re getting at, we strongly disagree. If we are asking if he’s done a great job this year, he has not. At the same time, they’ve piled up yards and points despite the receivers. Someone will certainly hire him as the head man. James Franklin is going to get another job!! 

 

 

They've had a 25% reduction is scoring over a 2-3 slide since september, 2 of those losses they should have run all over bad Defenses. Saying well, they were behind is a bit after the fact.   They should never have been behind the Dolphins for even a Quarter.  How is it the 3rd best scoring team cannot impose its will on one of the worst run Defenses out of the gate?

 

After that loss yesterday, your take is that Brady's HC prospects, right now are stronger than ever, despite "not doing a great job"?  That warps logic.  If a Brady fan cops to he's not doing a great job, you think GMs in the NFL disagree with you?

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They've had a 25% reduction is scoring over a 2-3 slide since september, 2 of those losses they should have run all over bad Defenses. Saying well, they were behind is a bit after the fact.   They should never have been behind the Dolphins for even a Quarter.  How is it the 3rd best scoring team cannot impose its will on one of the worst run Defenses out of the gate?

 

After that loss yesterday, your take is that Brady's HC prospects, right now are stronger than ever, despite "not doing a great job"?  That warps logic.  If a Brady fan cops to he's not doing a great job, you think GMs in the NFL disagree with you?

I don't think people around the NFL (or the NCAA) are looking at Brady and saying "Wow, what an amazing job he's doing with such poor receiving weapons."  I think it's more likely that they are saying, "This guy has Josh Allen, an outstanding offensive line that has had two years of injury-free continuity, a top 3 running back (who's also a receiving threat), and three good-to-excellent tight ends.  WTF is wrong with this guy?"    

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They've had a 25% reduction is scoring over a 2-3 slide since september, 2 of those losses they should have run all over bad Defenses. Saying well, they were behind is a bit after the fact.   They should never have been behind the Dolphins for even a Quarter.  How is it the 3rd best scoring team cannot impose its will on one of the worst run Defenses out of the gate?

 

After that loss yesterday, your take is that Brady's HC prospects, right now are stronger than ever, despite "not doing a great job"?  That warps logic.  If a Brady fan cops to he's not doing a great job, you think GMs in the NFL disagree with you?

Who said “his HC prospects were stronger than ever?” Please quote where that was said. You’re too smart to use hyperbole to try to mislead people. Let’s not try to distort reality to strengthen our argument. You’re better than that. 
 

What was said is that, “he will be a HC in 2026.” He will. No one said that his prospects were stronger than ever. It’s based on the landscape and odds. He’s the betting favorite for the LSU job. He’s a candidate at Penn State. He will be a candidate for the handful of NFL jobs that open. He’s +400 and the second choice to be the Titans HC. He’s +1200 to be the Giants next HC despite them just firing the last guy who was previously Josh Allen’s OC. https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-regular-season/coaches.

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, RkFast said:

When I hear people like Sal float names like Davis Webb I want to pull my hair out. You know that name is out there primarily for one reason. Local guy and had a job at OBD once. I cant, for the life of me, figure this team's obsession with young first time OCs and worse, why they cant look beyond Orchard Park for literally anything. Buffalo is a small city and TIGHT community...I get it. But this culture of "Buffalo or nobody....muh culture...muh system" thats currently running throughout the organization is really becoming a detriment. 

 

Ya know...theres always a lot of mockery for the "old dinosaur" coaches. How "washed" they are. And sometimes they do land in bad spots and look hapless. But how is Josh McDaniels looking right now? Todd Monken? Greg Roman? On the defensive side, Vic Fangio looked pretty good in Philly, didnt he? Robert Saleh. On and on.

 

Im not necessarily advocating for these specific coaches. They all have their flaws. But what they also have that the Bills coaching regime seems to disregard, especially on the offensive side of the ball, is experience and when given a good roster of talent, proven competence at their jobs. They have a body of work in the league, tons of experience and most important when given the horses they get the job done. Period.

 

Josh is going to be 30. This roster is going to turn over very very soon. Enough of the boy wonders. This team doesnt have any more years to waste to see if someone like Davis Webb works out. Get an OC who knows how to do the job coming in the door and has proven in this league that he knows what an NFL offense looks like.

Webb's been the QB coach and this year upgraded to passing  game coordinator, I understand why Sal think it's a good idea but honestly don't think it's the best of ideas. 

[RkFast]

14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Webb's been the QB coach and this year upgraded to passing  game coordinator, I understand why Sal think it's a good idea but honestly don't think it's the best of ideas. 

 

Totally. Hes defintely got good qualifications and is an up and coming offensive coach in the league. Im just saying this org, with this QB, is firmly in a "win now" mindset and I think they can no longer look to unproven commodities. They just dont have the time to see if an unproven coach "works out" or not. 

Edited 1 hour ago by RkFast