It’s time to move forward

[Fleezoid]

34 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Last week, back to Super Bowl favorites, this week, "Blow it up." This board is the poster child for bipolar disorder.

 

I get that. It's a recency thing. But I think both things can be true. How can a team play one of their best games against a team that many feel is still one of the best, and then play their arguably worst games against one of the worst teams. If the Bills kept playing like they did against the Chiefs, they could easily win the SB. If they continue to play like today, they don't deserve a playoff spot. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

38 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Last week, back to Super Bowl favorites, this week, "Blow it up." This board is the poster child for bipolar disorder.

Well, maybe if the team wasn't so 'Jekyll and Hyde', the board might be more rational.

😁

[GolfandBills]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

I think making the playoffs will be very tough. Lets hope they make it. 

With this roster I’m starting to hope they don’t even get in.  This is not a playoff roster at all

[Governor]

20 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Wish in one hand and ***** in the other and see which one fills up first.

 

If anyone really believes Pegula is going to fire either Beane or McDermott after this season, even if they don’t make the playoffs, you’re nuts. 
 

And I’ll add I am good if they move on from both. But it isn’t happening for the foreseeable future.

If the team and fans become a laughing stock for not making it to a SB after this many years, change will happen. That would be a pretty huge fail with an MVP QB.

[WideNine]

I am probably in the minority, but I am not one given to extremes after a loss or a win. This team has tried to avoid a down year, but it may be unavoidable with an aging roster and player turnover.

McD and Babbich showed something this offseason that I was looking for and that was a willingness to shift from an over-reliance and predictable nickel defense with light under-performing personnel that could not stop the run, and could not get home on the pass rush, and did not have speed in the secondary. A lot of fundamental issues to solve.

They played more base defense with 3 backers, they brought in some really good pieces with Hoecht, Bosa, and LB Shaq Thompson. They drafted Walker to get stouter in the middle and Hairston to have more speed in the secondary. They brought in defensive coaches that did not "fit" what I thought was a rigid mold of a McD defense in an effort to be more competitive. And again, too many of those pieces have gotten injured and an area of potential strength became a MASH unit.

Perhaps Buffalo needs to lean into more performance-based contracts that require availability as part of the financial equation (a lot of dollars on this team end up locked up in rehab). Injuries happen, but it is getting absurd with this team.

Coleman is not the piece that really fit what they needed on offense, and I think they probably know that now or should know seeing how defenses are playing him and his inability to uncover downfield. He is an X receiver and should demand limited reps and those more from the slot. They need a boundary receiver that can make teams rethink covering with one dude.

It is unforgiveable how much of the offense they are trying to force thru Coleman - that needs to change to have a chance to salvage this offense this season. In the draft they need to target a true boundary threat - or at least a player that has that kind of homerun ceiling.

 

[sven233]

2 hours ago, Mikedag said:

Unless we somehow turn the corner and make a run to the Super Bowl this year I think you have to blow it up.

 

Who are you going to get as a HC as a GM? Well I know the guys we have are not the answer. I don’t know whoever they get won’t be. At least take a shot. This group has had the MVP at qb for 5 years and has nothing but division titles to show for it.

 

Is that better than the drought? Yes. Is it good enough? No.

 

Allen is gonna be 30 and I just want one title. Blow it up and try something new. Please!

 

I'm not saying this to be mean.  I'm not saying this because I don't agree with you.

 

Why bother with a post like this at this point?

 

If you think there's even a remote chance that either McDermott or Beane is going to be let go after this season, after 5 consecutive AFC East Championships, 2 AFC Championship game appearances including 1 last season, and with us heading into a BRAND NEW stadium that they have both been around for the entire design and construction of, you're crazy.  There is no chance, even if we lose out, that either of those guys are fired this year.

 

Again, I'm not saying this to be mean or that I don't agree that there should be some conversation about it.  It's just never going to happen this season, or probably even next to be honest with you.

Edited 1 hour ago by sven233

[CheshireCT]

I don't agree with the "blow it up" concept at all, but they should be really examining why our guys drop like flies. Also, why they can't play in the heat. Shouldn't the sports science department be doing better on that one?

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Real McClappy said:

I would legit take Jon Gruden over McD at this phase. 

 

I am not a fire McDermott guy but this thought did enter my mind today.   If they are going to replace McDermott it has to be with someone with experience.  You dont give Jim Bob Cooter the franchise.

[Dick_Cheney]

Just now, sven233 said:

 

I'm not saying this to be mean.  I'm not saying this because I don't agree with you.

 

Why bother with a post like this at this point?

 

If you think there's even a remote chance that either McDermott or Beane is going to be let go after this season, after 5 consecutive AFC East Championships, 2 AFC Championship game appearances including 1 last season, and with us heading into a BRAND NEW stadium that they have both been around for the entire design and construction of, you're crazy.  There is no chance, even if we lost out, that either of those guys are fired this year.

 

Again, I'm not saying this to be mean or that I don't agree that there should be some conversation about it.  It's just never going to happen this season, or probably even next to be honest with you.

 

It might not be likely, but I don't think it's as far fetched as you apparently believe. They are definitely not 100% safe, especially dependent on how the year shakes out. 

[BeastMaster]

5 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

I get that. It's a recency thing. But I think both things can be true. How can a team play one of their best games against a team that many feel is still one of the best, and then play their arguably worst games against one of the worst teams. If the Bills kept playing like they did against the Chiefs, they could easily win the SB. If they continue to play like today, they don't deserve a playoff spot. 

This is kind of a hot take on my part, but not really

 

KC is not a great team, and they are currently out of the playoffs

 

Bills won a game against a team that was decimated on the offensive line and has a mediocre defense

 

I think the entire team bought their own hype after beating KC, who they viewed as a top dog...which falls squarely on the coach to keep them grounded and focused 

[harmonkillebrew]

I wish this loss happened before the trade deadline. We might have tried harder to get Shaheed

[Sojourner]

Just now, harmonkillebrew said:

I wish this loss happened before the trade deadline. We might have tried harder to get Shaheed

We were in on untouchable guys only!!!!

 

Wilson/Waddle/Olave!!!

[harmonkillebrew]

Just now, Sojourner said:

We were in on untouchable guys only!!!!

 

Wilson/Waddle/Olave!!!

Seriously. The Jets and Dolphins weren't trading with us.

Shaheed was gettable, as were others that could have made a difference.

 

I'm not as down on McD given the locker room culture that he's produced, but I do think Beane has made too many errors and missed talent opportunities.

 

[sven233]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

 

It might not be likely, but I don't think it's as far fetched as you apparently believe. They are definitely not 100% safe, especially dependent on how the year shakes out. 

 

I would bet my house on both of them staying.......

 

Now, could I see Brady or Babich go?  Absolutely.  If the season goes sideways, or even if we end up making the Playoffs and are out in the first round, I could see either or both of these guys going, but not Beane or McDermott.

 

That said, I would not be surprised if both Brady and Babich are back as well.  

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

If McVay somehow had enough of the Rams I would trade the world for him

You live in LA. You likely have access to all the premier LA events. The weather is amazing. The stadium is amazing. Your neighborhood is likely incredible. You get to hang with movie stars. Why in the world would you move to Buffalo?

[Dick_Cheney]

Just now, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

You live in LA. You likely have access to all the premier LA events. The weather is amazing. The stadium is amazing. Your neighborhood is likely incredible. You get to hang with movie stars. Why in the world would you move to Buffalo?

To become a god amongst men and win us a Super Bowl of course. 

 

Oh and also probably a record breaking coaching contract. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Real McClappy said:

I would legit take Jon Gruden over McD at this phase. 

FFS.  Wrecks Ryan Lite. 🤨

[uticaclub]

17 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

I get that. It's a recency thing. But I think both things can be true. How can a team play one of their best games against a team that many feel is still one of the best, and then play their arguably worst games against one of the worst teams. If the Bills kept playing like they did against the Chiefs, they could easily win the SB. If they continue to play like today, they don't deserve a playoff spot. 

If Pacheco played the KC game would have gone much differently. 

Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

FFS.  Wrecks Ryan Lite. 🤨

If Wrecks had Josh instead of Tyrod, he would have been just as successful as McD

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

I would bet my house on both of them staying.......

 

 

Sorry, message board policy limits bet to $5,000, and you cannot tell your spouse. 🤐

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Mikedag said:

Unless we somehow turn the corner and make a run to the Super Bowl this year I think you have to blow it up.

 

Who are you going to get as a HC as a GM? Well I know the guys we have are not the answer. I don’t know whoever they get won’t be. At least take a shot. This group has had the MVP at qb for 5 years and has nothing but division titles to show for it.

 

Is that better than the drought? Yes. Is it good enough? No.

 

Allen is gonna be 30 and I just want one title. Blow it up and try something new. Please!

Here’s the thing, the only person that can make this decision to fire Beane and McDermott is Terry Pegula.  
 

Do you honestly think he’s going to think he’s going to blow everything up?  Or is he more likely to give this regime one more shot to get it right?  
 

I think we all know the answer to that.  
 

The problem with firing both HC and GM, is that it becomes a complete restructure and you essentially waste 1-2 years of your QB’s prime.  Also look at all of the Beane re-signings this offseason.  It will take a few years to get those contracts off the books.  You can almost guarantee that a new HC and GM are going to want a lot of new talent. 
 

You could keep Beane and fire McDermott, but do you honestly feel that it’s warranted?  
 

So the question is, if your Terry Pegula do you blow everything up or stay the course with two leaders who admire and respect and who ultimately have been very successful?